What a wild time to be alive
Until we undo capitalism, we are going to have these 80 year cycles
Uruguay has a pretty easy system you can make a request of residence and it seems that usually go through. Americans do not need a visa to come but if you prepare the paperwork is easier…
Tell me more about Uruguay. What’s irs like over there, standard of living etc.
A quick scan of Wikipedia shows there’s an actual left wing party currently in power that was formerly led by a guerilla fighter during the military occupation of the country in the 80s
As well they legalized abortions in 2012 and weed and same sex marriage in 2013
It’s got a 3 branch government similar to America
Economy seems stable, Internet seems good.
Guess it’s time to start learning Portuguese or Spanish!
The left wing party is not led by a former guerrila fighter but said one Jose Mujica was president yes here the president is important yes but not the all powerful figure. That was in the 70s (the guerrilla thing) and they all admitted that doing a revolution was not the best answer to the political trumoil. Also the militia coup was backed by Nixon so there is that.
And it’s Spanish the official language.
I did say formerly. The first president of the current party was a guerilla fighter.
Do you mean the military leadership of the 80s was backed by Nixon or the group that overthrew them?
The guerrilla in fact failed to overthrow them when Reagan came and pulled out the cord all dictatorship regimes started falling like dominoes. This one especially felt that they could get the peaceful way out and they did a referendum they lost by a wide margin and they stepped down. Now the guerrilla group formed a coalition with other left leaning groups and they made the Frente Amplio (translates to “wide front”) and that’s why I made the distiction of being the president and led as they are a coalition the direction they take is usually decided by the “plenario” which is an internal gathering where they debate vote and decide, so they have an internal president but they act more of an organizer rather than the decision makers. It’s not a perfect system but well it works in it’s own way. IMO FA is more like the French Socialist party and the Japanese LDP rather than the US democrats. The good news for fediverse ppl is that they are very pro queer and progressive. Also they are very pro democracy in fact the dictatorship regime here is considered a far right one.
Best option on Latin America on pretty much any standard. Progressive laws, good weather - main negative thing I can think of is that rent can be quite expensive. I’ve considered moving there in the past but my Spanish is awful.
Pretty on point really although there are some govt initatives to help. Hell in enough ppl comes over at once you can start a cooperative and build your own houses. Also the mayority speaks some basics almost 15% of ppl speaks first level English with a 5% that basically manages complete. Many places do have English speaking personnel even.
good ass meme
Fascism is on the rise in Europe too so maybe go to Japan or something
The far-right in Europe seems to have lost momentum a bit-- for now. The far-right parties in government in Sweden and Netherlands proved themselves incompetent and lost support. The support on German AfD stagnated. Meloni has shown to be more moderate than expected (well, not quite but that’s a long story). And Le Pen has been prosecuted, but I think this is not enough to actually kill the French far-right movement so long as the French government still practice neoliberal policies. But I think the major factor that made Europeans think twice now about gravitating towards fascism is after witnessing the shit show in America and Musk’s overt election interference in Europe. I should not be laughing, but what a laugh the three months of Trump administration has been!
Incompetence, it seems, is what is valued here in America to go up the ranks.
I will be honest, I thought that Trump will continue with his fascist-adjacent/fascist-lite policies from his first term. Looks like in this term, he is out for vengeance and doubled down!
that’s actually a bit reassuring to know
As a Japanese, I think Japan has always been a fascists’ country. The flavor of nazism did change from German one to American one after WW2, though
still, EU countries have far superior electoral systems than the US to help mitigate the rise and influence of Fascism.
They even have multiple parties and an Overton window wider than only right to extreme-right!
yeah we have this thing called democracy it’s pretty cool
That is if the other parties aren’t largely complicit. Looking at you Germany, Denmark, France, Finland, Belgium, Netherlands, Italy, Poland, Hungary…
True, same is now happening with those awful US dems.
Already tone-deaf before the election, saying they just needed to accept the uncomfortable genocide support or get Trump.
Now they want to beat him by “embracing patriotism” “banning left wing voices” and other horrible Trump style measures.
A race to the bottom.Which is weird when you see the IRL support and hype around Bernie and AOC. The people want more left in the democratic party.
They are the imaginary left and selling the snake oil of curing the party from within.
That party is sponsored by most of the same oligarchs, companies, banks and the MIC.
It can never happen.
And especially now with Trump the people can be easily manipulated to funnel their anger towards him while keeping the Dems safe.That is very true, ugh.
Japanese are starting to hate gaijin. Because of disrespectful tourists and “influencers”.
Starting? Japan has a long, proud history of xenophobia.
It’s a respectful xenophobia though. Like, it’s just as bad but entirely Japanese in flavor. If I had to make a ham fisted metaphor.
I always see xenophobia and racism as different level in the same category. Like, the former is “milder” and something as I, as an immigrant, could overlook. The latter is far more hateful and intolerant.
As someone who lives in Japan, I’ve got some bad news for you…
The good news is that it’s mostly just the olds. The bad news is that it isn’t exclusively just the older generations.
They’re extremely racist, which is a huge plus, just like the Swiss flag 🇨🇭
Like plenty countries, but it only becomes a problem when it’s also against whites.
True. Australia and New Zealand are our last hope
Fascists on the rise in Australia too sadly. New Zealand is very isolationist and anti immigration.
Brazil is good. Nice food, people and forests.
Would be ironic if we had to go to Africa because life there is better.
… after decades of relentlessly repeating how much better we have it that “poor children in africa” especially.
There’s a great show about families going there for a better life from here. It’s called coming from America. Worth a watch. Not everything is perfect there but people from here can own land and feel free.
btw, do you think americans would still go to africa if it turns out to be/become communistic? i.e., no or restricted private ownership of land, …
Africa is beautiful, the only issue is safety.
Countries like namibia/botswana probably have less of these issues as well.
They fully have the right to refuse us.
For many, many reasons.hey that’s racist (slight /s as that is literally the reasoning that i see many people use here as an argument why to not block immigration)
That’s exactly my plan C if the lunatics start WW3 suddenly.
Reachable from Europe and less likely to explode.
But I hope to find a perfect spot before that in an organised way.It’d be hilarious to see a reverse migration.
Those nice people made a fascist president there not too long ago.
(He also made sure there was a lot less forest)Yeah, but who doesn’t have fascists? At least they’re prosecuting theirs. Bolsonaro can’t stand for elections no more.
So, at least they’re back to the status quo, where they destroy the planet slowly.
True, but I was surprised tho when I first heard of him and his succes.
“Brazil? The smiley samba sunshine people where most people aren’t even white voting for a fascist?”
Saying that could be seen as extremely racist of you.
Japan has its own fascists.
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What a disgusting thing to say. Also, a little racist.
😂
Just joking about Japan because I view the population as into pedophilia because of animes
Not pedophiles; ephebophiles. Still gross, but adults remember their sexual awakenings and early experiences around the same time so it’s at least reflective of life experience. However, if you’re in late 20s and older and jerking off with your waifu pillow you should seek help
New word learned! Thanks :)
It’s often that yea, but there’s a lot of pedophilia in media as well (lolis, or animes that flat out states characters are under 15 yo and are sexually active (with older people))
now it’s even more racist
I guess the meaning of racism got lost in the way
But yea besides, anyone who watched some Japanese content knows that it’s a recurrent theme. I guess you’re just all turning a blind eye on this subject. Calling a whole continent fascist is alright but calling Japan a country of pedophiles isn’t… (jokingly, ofc, we all know ALL Japanese are not like this, the majority aren’t (I hope))
Double standards people. But seriously, I think this subject can be talked about. I would much rather prefer someone proving me wrong than to be censored as a “racist”, which is baseless.
We call America fascist because its government is. That doesn’t say anything about the people who live there. Calling North Korea a tyranny doesn’t make every one of its citizens a tyrant.
Calling Japan “a country of pedophiles” is generalising to the whole population and therefore racist. No double standards there. And it’s not just because loli exists that they have more pedophilia than western countries do.
Generalizing to the whole population isn’t called racism. About the other thing, I already made it clear it was a stereotype, and as such, not my true belief. Still, I think it’s worth noting.
I do think there’s more pedophilia there based on the fact that more media depict it and people aren’t really grossed out by it. I might be wrong though, I’m not basing myself on any fact, just intuition (except that iirc they had some problems with laws not being harsh enough on this subject)
You literally said you “view the population”, as in everyone, a certain way based on this.
You then admitted it’s not the majority.
That’s about as racist as you can get.
Calling a country fascist for having fascist people in power is not the same thing.
Sorry for not being clear on this subject. I thought people would get it.
If you think that’s the most racist thing that exists, I can’t help you. Re-check your definitions
Its in the line of the original stereotypes used for humor. It gets bad when you take it seriously. Much like “if you go to school in the USA you’ll get shot” or shit like that. Exaggerations that point out something. Wasn’t meant to be discriminating in any way, sorry if took like that.
There must be countries where this issue (pedophilia) is way more real. I’m only pointing this out as the Japanese media I know often trivializes this subject and it shocks me.
Full circle indeed.
If shit hits the fan, company of heroes 4 will finally have something new instead of another WW2 thingy
/pedant the term would be “emigrating”
Specifically the second one.
immigrate from Europe
emigrate to Europe
According to Etymonline,
Immigrate = in- “into, in, on, upon” from PIE root *en + migrare “to move” from PIE root *mei
Emigrate = assimilated form of ex- “out” from PIE root *eghs + migrare “to move” from PIE root *mei
So I guess to correct usage would be:
Immigrating to Europe/US
Emigrating from US/Europe
It depends on where you’re speaking from.
If you’re in the US, people were immigrating from Europe and to the US and are now emigrating to Europe and from the US.
If you’re in Europe, people were emigrating from Europe and to the US and are now immigrating to Europe and from the US.
Easiest solution is to say migrating :)
people were immigrating from Europe
The linguistically correct term her would be emigrating from Europe.
to the US
This is immigrating.
emigrating to Europe
This is immigration.
from the US
The word you’re looking for is emigration.
emigrating from Europe
You’re correct here.
to the US
Once again, immigration.
immigrating to Europe
This is the linguistically correct use of the term.
from the US
Proper word would be emigrating.
Easiest solution is to say migrating
Migration by itself doesn’t indicate whether you’re referring to domestic-only movement, where people migrate inside of a country, or domestic-to-foreign where they cross a border, or foreign-to-foreign movement.
It all depends on the boundary you set.
If your chosen boundary is Europe, people moving to Europe are immigrating there, and people moving from Europe are emigrating there.
If your chosen boundary is the US, immigration is moving to the US while emigration is moving from the US.
Since migration isn’t specific and can refer to any of the above cases, I prefer transmigration since “trans-” refers to “across” which I often interpret as “out from and in to”.
We don’t need to give up on prepositions in order to have more accurate language.
This is way too confusing for me to follow but it sounds vaguely like we mean the same thing.
Depends on your viewpoint.
Emigrate from Europe and immigrate to Europe is also a valid way to look at it.
It is, but that’s not the viewpoint they used in the meme
i think you use “emigrating” when leaving their homes behind, but here it is part of the joke that they no longer see the US as their home. instead, they’re seeing europe/whatever other country as their new “home”, so they’re immigrating.
Do you imagine some kind of deeper meaning wrapped in a joke in it?
The more likely explanation is that plenty Americans have poor literacy.
Even plenty of ‘their’ ‘there’ mistakes. Elemental English.
Just my two cents, not having a go at you:
This is why I’m a pragmatic prescriptivist, I want people to follow norms for ease of communication, unless their innovation fills a need/fixes something about the language.
Stupid english with its stupid verbs.
We’ve got “to” and “from” why do we need to have two differently spelt verbs for basically the same thing.
Sure, you could argue that you can just say “they are emigrating” to imply people are leaving the country permanently, but let’s be honest, not providing any other context it’s practically unheard of. You’ll at least be saying where they currently are, came from, or going to, unless you’re being very abstract. Even then, you couls say “the migrants were immigrating” to be very vague about it. Both immigrating and emigrating involve moving, wtf is the point?
I’m glad few people “properly” use “emigrate” these days. Let’s kill it, it’s redundant!
I may have even gotten the difference wrong, but I’m not gonna look it up since I don’t want to use it anyway haha
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I, personally, like a language being rich. Nothing wrong with not knowing all the ins and outs, but calling for simplification on what is already an very simple language is odd.
I just have to point out, in an argument about language pedantry,
an very simple language
Point taken :D Coffee must kick in at some point.
I wouldn’t call English simple haha
To me the richness comes from interesting cultural quirks of why we say something, but I’m not really feeling that for emigrate, personally, so would prefer we speed up it being forgotten. Words falling out of use is very common, so I’m happy to lose ones that are annoying
I should also specify, I’m just getting into the spirit of enjoyable nitpicking, also
How about just ‘migrate’ and ‘migrating’?
In my view, “migrate” according to Etymonline originates from the Proto-Indo-European (PIE) root *mei which means “to change, go, move”.
I don’t believe this term refers to moving in or out of something, or any other preposition.
As we’ve been discussing in this post, immigrate and emigrate represent inverses of each other. It makes sense to look for logical ways to combine those.
I think the best prefix for this would be trans- for, according to Etymonline, this means “across, beyond, through, on the other side of; go beyond”. Specifically, I would refer to trans- as meaning “out from and in to”, which gives us the word “transmigrate”. Etymonline has a dictionary entry for “transmigration”.
It looks like Merriam-Webster, Oxford, and American Heritage dictionaries support “transmigrate” as an entry.
But this is the digital age, so it’s clearly e-migrating.
I think there’s a richness in being able to shift or emphasize perspective like that. And a poetry, for want of a better word, that comes with that.
‘Coming’ and ‘going’ do the same shift. “I’m coming to Europe; they’re coming from Europe,” feels just a bit stilted to me, though that’s subjective I suppose.
If you want to get rid of immigrate Vs emigrate, maybe we just talk about ‘migrate’.
And scrap ‘coming’ and ‘going’ for ‘moving’.
But only in the first sentence
what ever happened to respecting your fellow humans and treating them as people?
Because when you’re the one who “came up” with it, it’s usually a pretty sweet ride, provided you can weather the revolutions and stuff.
Ooooh sorry weathering revolutions isn’t part of our Fascism ‘25 package - that was extra :-/
Would you be interested in our selection of neck guards?
I blame the French, before them damned near every Germanic society had a broadly democratic tribal or clan based system. Then the French combined that with Roman autocratic systems and somehow created an early version of Divine right of kings and a form of proto absolutism. Yes I am glossing over a tonne of shit but compare the French estates to the clusterfuck that was the Holy Roman Diet and it’s like comparing a member of the English Royal guard to a Somalian pirate.
I blame greed. It doesn’t matter where it came from. It’s some bullshit.
Always a safe bet to blame the fr*nch
Technically I’m blaming the Franks, but they are just proto-French so it is still counts. Like referring to the Picts as Scots.
Well, if you really wanna get into it, I blame the Romans. It was their colonialism and influence that made the region of the Franks what it was culturally. Then their collapse created a power vacuum allowing this remnant territory to rise and fill it, wanting to be its own new Rome (like almost every other empire that arose after that). And on and on until today. Colonialism and imperialism is a cancer that has been growing and growing through the ages to get us to where we are today
Europe accepts its sons and daughters of long ago. Specially the talented ones who contributed to empowering science in the US.
Not the Drumpf family, tho. Those can stay there instead of returning to their roots in Germany. The last thing we want is a “Make Germany Great Again” movement - they’re already great right now, no need to fix what’s not broken, thank you.
I wish the first part were actually true, on the bureaucratic level. Sadly it is quite difficult to emigrate to the EU
How are they great?
Their economy is going to shit, they have a massive right-wing party, are complete warmongers and supporters of genocide.
The fascism was within you the whole time.
The fascism was the
friendsenemies we made along the way.The fascism was the friends we massacred along the way.
The fascism was the friends we really wished would stay dead along the way, preferably in the ditch
Like the force and the dark side and shit?
i have come to the conclusion that there is a god and a heaven, alright, but it’s a cruel place that i would never ever ever want to go to. ever
edit: oh yeah, what does that have to do with your comment? well, the christians are going to heaven alright, if you can interpret the american technocracy (or even mars) as “heaven” (by any stretch of the word)
explanation: the christian idea of “heaven” is heavily based on platon’s “ideas”, which are described as “heavenly objects” (a.k.a abstractions), and platon called the collection of all ideas the “inter-net” for some reason, and modern IT is heavily modeled after it, with a purely abstract world ruling the world, more or less. there’s lots of articles how some technological platforms (such as meta, google) shaping what news we get and what we believe/think. thus it is a “techno-cracy”.
Your family brought the curse with them
Now we know who to blame for all this shit.
wait isn’t there some christian story about exactly that … 🤔 something about some curse that is inherited and bans the people from living a good life or sth, i can’t remember. maybe that good life was symbolized as a garden, but i could be wrong
The type of people who think like this, believe wholeheartedly that everything that doesn’t conform to their mindset is fascism/Nazism/[insert -ism you don’t like here]
You might not like it, but that’s how it is
Thinking like this will make you find fascism wherever you go. You’ll find it in Gaza, in Iran , Japan, Greenland. You will find it in your parents , your neighbor, your kids, street signs, China, in Bernie Sanders office, chatting with Obama, having dinner with Kamala, in opera, with monks, inside the ISS, even fucking Antarctica.
Make yourself a favor and maybe think for a while before leaving your country to poison others:
“if everywhere I go smells like fascism, is it them? Or maybe, just maybe, is it me”?
Do it before you see a mirror and find fascism in there too
Edit: if downvotes were actual votes, you guys might have won the election lmao 🤣
Has a cult of personality ✅
Purging dissenters ✅
Giving positions to loyalists ✅
Demonizing minorities ✅
An attempted coup ✅
Consolidating and exercising central executive power ✅
Attacking the media ✅
Creating his own media apparatus ✅
Isolating the country from the rest of the world ✅
Sending citizens to foreign prisons ✅
Theres a whole novel on the wall and you’re not reading it.
Yeah I wasn’t talking about the Soviet union
Fascism is relatively simple to identify. When the leader of your country begins calling dissidents enemies of the state, saying journalists should experience violence, ignoring checks and balances, establishing prison camps…
Let me guess - you think Elon was saying ‘from my heart to yours’, right?
Okay fascist.
Should be easy enough to identify https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/feb/25/how-to-spot-a-fascist-the-umberto-eco-way
speak for yourself boss. that’s simply not true.
I agree that the left is just putting labels on everything but why are you against them emigrating? Are you actually afraid of people who will leave instead of sinking together?
I caught myself writing a long response to this, but I got something that I belive will be better: Ok, USAmerican.
My family moved from the US to Australia during the end of his first term. We had considered it for a couple years prior but we had hope Trumpism would die by the end of his first term. Then Covid hit. Then the American right made political statements out of medical concerns like vaccines and masks. At that point, we had enough. I’m immunocompromised, and she was a non-citizen permanent resident. Neither of us felt safe in my home country anymore so we stated the immigration process for me for my wife’s country, Australia.
As we wrapped up our life in Colorado, when we saw 74 million people vote to re-elect the traitor in Nov 2020, we knew we had made the right call to leave. A few months later he attempted to overthrow the government and install himself as unelected dictator. Our house sold a few weeks later and we left the US 2 months after that.
The rule of law is dead in the US now, and I couldn’t be happier with our decision to leave. Just yesterday I read an article about ICE arresting and deporting a green card holding Australian upon his return from a funeral in Aus. That could have been my wife. Fuck that.
Best decision ever.
Same. I bought my ticket the day after the second election. If you’re in Melbourne let’s have a Freedom Beer
Adelaide but I’ll raise a Coopers for you 🍻
I want to leave to ensure the safety of those closest to me.
But I also want to stay and fight like hell.
Unfortunately, even if the immediate fascism were beaten back, I have very little faith in anything but capitochristofascism’s resolve to continue to be absolutely shitty, and general American ignoarrogance to reign supreme, for the rest of my life.
“The belief that America stands for an idea beyond blood and soil makes its identity fragile, because an idea lives in people’s minds, where it is subject to lies, hatred, ignorance, despair, even extinction. But for this very reason, as long as enough Americans continue to believe in the idea with enough conviction to stick it out here and fight, the country that you and I once lived in will still exist for the generation after us.”
The belief that a country should exist purely for nostalgic purposes is the kind of bullshit that got us here in the first place. Countries started existing so that a monach could control resources and worker productivity. Now they are used as a default identity for people to try and connect on some level. If you don’t treat the identity as fragile, sure it can never ‘die’, but it can’t improve or change either.
roko’s basilisk or sth
Agreed. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, cowards.
