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    Are she and Sanders the only politicians in the United States actively opposing Trump? I keep searching for news of others taking a stand, but it appears only those two are doing so openly.

    Trump has crossed so many lines but I really do not see any outcry, mass resistance or opposition?

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      Illinois governor JB Pritzker is openly opposing through legislation and trolling. He held a mock press conference stating that Lake Michigan was now Lake Illinois and went to the zoo to negotiate with penguins on tariffs. California governor Gavin Newsom is suing the Trump admin over tariffs.

      There were also coordinated protests across the US a couple weeks ago. Every town hall held by Republicans is a complete zoo, so much so that certain reps fear for their life and have stopped holding them.

      Federal workers are leaking musk directives and doing their best to stall the doge squad.

      Just because Trump hasn’t been removed one way or another from office doesn’t mean that people are doing nothing.

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      Al Greene, Jasmine Crockett, Tim Walz, and Saikat Chakrabarti. When Trump starts to openly murder American citizens, I expect many fired military leaders will suddenly be leading National Guards.

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      Trump has crossed so many lines but I really do not see any outcry, mass resistance or opposition?

      Be mindful not to mistake suppression of dissent with lack of dissent. News media is actively avoiding protests. We’re out there, even if the news cameras aren’t.

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        We are all aware the media/news companies are owned by the billionaires who want to control the narrative, why do ppl forget that and start saying stuff doesnt matter because it hasnt hit the news

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      That’s because he controls the media.

      The guy from the Circle Jerks just called for an army of Luigi Mangionis while on stage at Coachella, so there’s that

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      Exactly how are they “opposing Trump.”

      Bernie voting yes on Marco Rubio should be all anyone needs to know about Trump’s “opposition.”

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      Seems that way, yes people are starting to protest but not nearly enough, and as another commenter mentioned the media is not covering it, which should surprise no one.

      The Democratic party needs to be laying out the facts when the CiC lies to the people, but nope they seem to be just sitting back sulking saying “see we told you this would happen and since you didn’t vote us in we’re not going to do shit”

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      She will 100% but maybe that what need to be so a real revolution start because the peaceful protest don’t do shit to stop fascist

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            At this point, I assume anyone still harping on this is a conservative provocative looking to stir up division.

            The truth is it’s possible for more than one group to be at fault. Those who stayed home have a ton of blame, the centrist dipshits at the DNC have a ton of blame, and the Republicans themselves have the most blame of all.

            Quit trying to sew division. We need unity now, not to rehash old grievances.

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            The Democrats are constantly cutting their own hamstrings by courting the conservatives base rather than their own base. That’s why they always lose. Too many Chuck Schumers, not enough AOCs. The mainstream dems can’t stop suckling the corporate teet long enough to notice they’re getting played.

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              I mean, neither side took a stand against genocide, so any would-be progressive who sought to “punish” the Democrats by not voting for them over this gets as much sympathy from me as all the regressive dipshits whose faces keep getting eaten by leopards. Every vote that wasn’t cast for the “genocidal” Democrats was a vote cast for the genocidal and also fascist white nationalist party.

              How’s it feel knowing you’ve got a great view of 'Murrica openly trying to emulate 1930s Germany from the saddle of your moral high horse?

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                Straw man. I voted for Harris.

                https://www.commondreams.org/news/aoc-democrats:

                Just 28% of Democratic voters said they support a so-called “moderate” approach.

                How does it feel knowing you facilitated fascism by refusing to hold establishment democrats’ feet to the fire so they would adopt a platform for people instead of billionaires?

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                  Yes, it was totally the fault of random people (especially citizens of another country like me) who didn’t push the Dems to be more progressive that got Trump the win… because all the people who voted the orange shitstain totally would’ve swung left if the left party had been more left. Makes perfect sense.

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              Well, now we have genocide in the US, so how did taking that stand work out?

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            Do I need to change my name to name-name-3digits to join your trollfarm?

            Edit: they got me boys, there goes all my karma. Hahah.

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                  Haha this feels like the poor folks who end their username with their birth year being 88.

                  Not all is random name 3 letters are trolls.

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              I think you might have me confused with someone else. I do have 4-5 accounts on different instances, but only because I abandon my current one every few months and use my email provider to generate a new alias for a new instance and use the alias as my username.

              This is for anonymity purposes because I’ve been vocally critical of the current US administration, but I guess my writing style is unique enough that you could follow me. Thanks for letting me know I need to step up my game.

              It does follow the pattern you noticed, but I’m sure I’m not the only user who does this. And I never re-login to an account once I make a new one.

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                But could you imagine Ent wine? Like, what does a tree get drunk on?

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                  Fermented orc blood. Distilled for a really good time. There was a really good vintage out of the East recently.

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                I think it’s ent wine, but I just use the email alias that my provider generates for me when I change accounts and instances every few months for a layer of anonymity.

                I guess I piss off ByteData enough that he’s noticed the pattern my provider uses, but didn’t notice that once I switch accounts I never use the old one again.

                Plus, I’m probably not the only one who does this.

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              Can confirm. No pony was offered and several people on here loudly proclaimed they would be allowing trump to win because of it.

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          People voted, but the MAGA Nazis rigged the election, and we ALL know it. Too bad the Democratic leadership decided to help the MAGA Nazis cover it up, and declare that they won “fair & square.” Rich Democrats like Schumer can be bought as easily as any Republican.

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            the MAGA Nazis rigged the election

            I wish to investigate your citations.

            It seems quite likely, but aside from the plain-sight rigging (gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc etc) I haven’t seen anything except that one “computer science” guy whose numbers were contradicted by election officers.

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              The cascade of bomb threats in blue areas’ poking centers of swing states didn’t reach your attention?

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              Why are you excluding the “plain sight rigging?” Beyond gerrymandering, millions of voters were disqualified through ostensibly legal means that likely wouldn’t stand up to legal challenge, but the Democrats were so concerned about taking the high road to pre-empt accusations of “throwing a tantrum” like the right did on January 6 that they just let it all slide.

              https://hartmannreport.com/p/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-c6f

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                Well, for one that’s not new - they’ve been doing that for a long time.

                For two, as an example, where do we get “millions” of voters from? Is it a non-corporate-news blog without citations? My preference is corporate news with citations since that’s going to have the biggest impact.

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                  You could read what I linked; guy lists his own credentials and experience in addition to his sources.

                  Still curious why “they’ve been doing that for a long time” is justification for you to just ignore all the unethical voter disenfranchisement occurring, especially considering the unprecedented scale (of which you be aware if you’d read my link).

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            So, the MAGAs didn’t rig the election in 2020 and let Biden win, and then when they were out of power decided to steal it? You contradict yourself.

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              Honestly, I suspect they’ve been trying trying their hardest to rig the last several elections, which is why they were so pissed off and in denial about 2020: they were incredulous that they rigged it and still managed to lose anyway.

              But yeah, we’ve been having exit poll discrepancies, Republican success strangely correlating with the installation of Diebold voting machines with no paper ballot, outsized performance for certain Republican candidates even though Democrats won down-ballot races, and other weird anomalies for couple of decades now.

              That said, I don’t necessarily think that Republican rigging changed the 2024 outcome. I was watching them insert MAGAts into election boards, pack the courts, and gear up to refuse to certify votes and whatnot, so I was fully expecting “stop the steal 2.0” except successful this time. But then Harris gave a big middle finger to the left and subsequently underperformed so badly that she just lost outright, so the foul play wasn’t even necessary.

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                The truth is that outright stealing elections via vote rigging is an incredibly risky strategy. If you do that, and you get caught? That’s the kind of thing that can legitimately trigger an actual civil war. Rationally, it’s just not worth the risk. It’s especially not worth the risk when there are plenty of other shady but legal options available like gerrymandering, voter roll purges, corrupt judicial rulings, etc.

                This dynamic is also why you rarely see companies bribing politicians with giant bags of cash delivered in the night. There’s no need to engage in such overt bribery, as they’ve already constructed a system where legal forms of bribery (campaign contributions) exist.

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                  What do you think they’re afraid of? Every time they get caught doing something blatantly illegal, the only consequence is their base gets more enthusiastic. And they’re not exactly trying to avoid a civil war now that they’re in power.

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              When Biden won, states launched literally hundreds of pieces of legislation to make sure that didn’t happen again. Did you not notice?

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          Too bad Dems held no primary and foisted a genocidal dementia patient on us as the only alternative.

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            Too bad the progressives who had four years to get Bernie on the ballot fell asleep.

            I donated to Bernie in 2016, 2020, and 2024.

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              I also support Bernie, as he’s closest to actual representation for me. But I think you’re slightly mistaken here - progressives did support him and got him on the primary ballot in ‘16 and ‘20 elections, and both times as he was gaining momentum the establishment democrats colluded to steal the nomination from him.

              In 2016 it was Hillary and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz with the superdelegate voting scheme in exchange for access to the Clinton Foundation coffers. And in 2020 it was the foolhardy betrayal and backstabbing by other “progressives” in the race in exchange for theoretical cabinet positions promised by Biden, almost none of which materialized. Both times, the corporate media smear campaign against Bernie was in full force, because to them anything which upsets the status quo threatens their profit margin, and the rich capitalists who own these multinational news networks consider that blasphemy.

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          Vote for what, the people that gave us trump, the people that denied a genocide of brown people was occuring, the people that welcomed war criminals with open arms? 50 years of liberals lesser evil gave us incremental fascism.

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            Frederick Douglas worked for Lincoln even though Lincoln wasn’t running as an anti-slavery candidate

            Douglass was also very involved in national politics, and as the presidential election of 1860 approached, he advocated for candidates with strong antislavery platforms. American voters received a ballot crowded with four candidates: Abraham Lincoln (Republican), John C. Breckenridge (Southern Democrat), Stephen A. Douglas (Democrat), and John Bell (Constitutional Union). Douglas’s belief in “popular sovereignty,” Breckenridge’s pro-slavery platform, and Bell’s aversion to the issue entirely left Frederick Douglass to endorse Lincoln and the Republicans, whom he believed were more antislavery than the divided Democrats.

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        We have no idea what a peaceful protest of significant size can do. We’ve never seen one.

        We’ve seen peaceful protests, sure. And some not-so-peaceful ones. But non-violence is really difficult to manage and wield.

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          Peaceful Protests have their place. But it’s laughable that you really think that a protest with no threat of violence means anything at all to a fascist government

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          Are protests really about “doing” things though?

          A rabble or riot might storm a location like on Jan 6, but is that going to topple a government? Maybe in the middle ages where you could depose a king but since then I don’t think so.

          Civil Unrest, if maintained over weeks and months might achieve something. If the population is ungovernable I imagine that might motivate republicans to impeach but things would have to get real bad.

          Other than that a protest is really just a public statement of duress. It’s an appeal to all the people who usually dont pay any attention to politics et cetera.

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      AOC should team up with Blue State governors to campaign solely in their states, with their protection. Trump WILL try to dispose of her, it is only a matter of time. Having a state’s National Guard to protect her from Dogey goons will be key to allowing AOC to continue working against the regime.

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        Oh if AOC is touched by that fucking scumbag will be the moment people riot. If not only the left but potentially some of the right who are fans of her as well, or at least fans of her energy (some have said they dont agree on policy but like how she really stands for working class families). I feel like as much as we cant really touch Trump (he would die a martyr for hard right nationalism) if the other side touches AOC the same thing happens but for the cause on the right side of history.

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      Inappropriate assessment. I fear for everyone’s safety. Constitutional freedoms and the rule of law protected everyone. Removing them is a double edged sword that puts everyone at risk.

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        This is as stupid as saying “all lives matter” after seeing a BLM sign.

        Obviously everyone’s safety is at risk right now, and in the near future. The og comment wasn’t saying “screw everyone else, save her!” They were simply wishing for the safety of one of the most outspoken, and therefore vulnerable people actually making a difference in this situation.

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            You’re not wrong, but the person responding to you us correct. Both things can be true, but attempting to divert the message waters it down. We’re all in danger and have a fascist MAGA problem. However, AOC is 100% in more danger than the average person in the US. There is no reality where I would be in more danger than AOC is unless in some other reality we swapped places.

            She is openly and vocally speaking out with a position of power and influence.

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        Inappropriate assessment

        Good point… I was under the impression that I was only allowed to fear for one person’s safety at a time 🙄

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    None of this is false is the thing. He’s literally a criminal. He literally gave out a massive stock tip before reversing direction on tariffs again…

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      There are also those 34 felony convictions. And the civil court finding that he raped a woman.

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        Yup. It still boggles my mind that none of that was enough to make Republicans think twice about voting for him.

        Now that he’s impacting them financially? Oh noes! I might not vote Republican again! 🙀

        But of course, it’s way too late now and we’ll be lucky if we even have another election at this point.

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          Well, they never heard that information. In many cases very literally. In other cases they “heard it” and dismissed it as “lying” of the “liberal media”.

          It’s a cult.

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      And TREASON! He is literally the most prolific traitor in American history. Not just that, but he is a worse traitor than ALL other American traitors COMBINED!

      Any discussion of his criminal activities should lead with the undeniable FACT that he is a Traitor.

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      Me too. Unfortunately, I feel like she’s in a not great position when hits start flying, putin style.

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    Trump has spent longer at rallies spewing insults at his personal and political enemies. The difference is that she is angry and fired up about justice and genuine love of country. Oh, and everything she said is actually true.

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      It’s true but hollow. Dems are never going to have as strong a hand as they had in 2021, when Biden was taking office with an open hand and a liberal-friendly bureaucracy.

      The government that Trump leaves behind in his second term is going to be gutted and its institutions slaved to whatever technocracy Musk and Thiel can cobble together in the next four years. You’re not going to have a DOJ capable of prosecuting an ex-President or an FBI capable of investing one or a court willing to rule against one. And that’s assuming we still have an election system capable of replacing him or his party.

      AOC’s truths are too little and too late. She should have been out there rallying a crowd to scream this shit in Biden’s ear back when it mattered. She should have been holding firm on “Defund ICE” back before they were snatching people off the street and shoving them in El Salvadorian prisons.

      That’s the real difference between her and Trump. He spent eight years building a real active reactionary fascist movement. Meanwhile, I don’t see any AOC-Stans storming the capital in the next four years.

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        She should have been out there rallying a crowd to scream this shit in Biden’s ear back when it mattered. She should have been holding firm on “Defund ICE” back before they were snatching people off the street and shoving them in El Salvadorian prisons.

        She was. Turns out nothing you do matters if the entire media apparatus is conspiring with the other side.

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        You don’t even know what you wish would happen. First you say there’s no way that the Democrats can recover, which ignores the obvious truth that perhaps they could, and also opens up the option that a legitimate party could possibly replace them. Second, you suggest that storming the capital is a good idea, but if that’s the case it doesn’t really matter what happens in the polls, because we’re already moving towards anarchy, right? Third, if you want to get together a group of people and storm the capital, I think you’re going to end up in the morgue very quickly. The cops up there do not like people like you, they will be happy to take down people like you.

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        OK doomer. There’s still a lot more of us than these crooks, and just one was necessary to scare them.

        “The Dems” is only a party label, which has and will mean something different to different times. The most difficult task ahead is re-earning governmental legitimacy and global trust, which can only happen if we fix everything in our system of government recently demonstrated to be dangerously outdated, broken, or useless. I’m fairly certain that’s the only way back. That scale of reform will require a public mandate and will leave no party label intact. AOC could lead that charge, and may not need to run as a democrat ever again. We may not even have a two-party system by the end of it.

        But getting anywhere requires first steps. The easiest way to not see reform is for those who would fight to give up hope. I know it’s easy to get discouraged in dark times. It is OK to feel discouraged, but spreading that despair among allies when it’s time to fight is not. That is selfish wallowing that only serves the enemy.

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    are they going to impeach and remove him!!!

    he’s literally violating court orders from unanimous supreme court orders.

    if they don’t impeach, remove, and jail him (I’d rather he be sent to CECOT) they are all complicit.

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    Yes AOC, he is. We all know. Some pieces of shit Americans however earnestly did not give a fuck clearly.

    I have nothing to say that’s constructive but I also have nothing to do to fill the void.