Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) let loose on Trump at a rally, calling him a "criminal," a liar, a "rapist," and a stock market cheat — for starters.
The Democrats are constantly cutting their own hamstrings by courting the conservatives base rather than their own base. That’s why they always lose. Too many Chuck Schumers, not enough AOCs. The mainstream dems can’t stop suckling the corporate teet long enough to notice they’re getting played.
At this point, I assume anyone still harping on this is a conservative provocative looking to stir up division.
The truth is it’s possible for more than one group to be at fault. Those who stayed home have a ton of blame, the centrist dipshits at the DNC have a ton of blame, and the Republicans themselves have the most blame of all.
Quit trying to sew division. We need unity now, not to rehash old grievances.
I mean, neither side took a stand against genocide, so any would-be progressive who sought to “punish” the Democrats by not voting for them over this gets as much sympathy from me as all the regressive dipshits whose faces keep getting eaten by leopards. Every vote that wasn’t cast for the “genocidal” Democrats was a vote cast for the genocidal and also fascist white nationalist party.
How’s it feel knowing you’ve got a great view of 'Murrica openly trying to emulate 1930s Germany from the saddle of your moral high horse?
Just 28% of Democratic voters said they support a so-called “moderate” approach.
How does it feel knowing you facilitated fascism by refusing to hold establishment democrats’ feet to the fire so they would adopt a platform for people instead of billionaires?
Yes, it was totally the fault of random people (especially citizens of another country like me) who didn’t push the Dems to be more progressive that got Trump the win… because all the people who voted the orange shitstain totally would’ve swung left if the left party had been more left. Makes perfect sense.
Yes. Here you are throwing progressives under the bus. Blaming them for democrats losing (time and time again) when reality shows progressive ideas have broad support. Polls show Bernie would have beat Donald in 2016, but we had to have Hilary, whose slogan was “I’m with her” because she had no platform. Well, not a public one, and not one that would actually help anyone with fewer than seven digits in their net worth. She’s literally says as much in her book What Happened where she says over and over that every proposed platform plank sounded great but was shot down because it involved transferring some (small amount of) money from the rich to the poor.
The democrats are the party of billionaires just as much as republicans, they’re just less overtly racist.
Their centrism (really, steady rightward march) is literally killing us.
I think you might have me confused with someone else. I do have 4-5 accounts on different instances, but only because I abandon my current one every few months and use my email provider to generate a new alias for a new instance and use the alias as my username.
This is for anonymity purposes because I’ve been vocally critical of the current US administration, but I guess my writing style is unique enough that you could follow me. Thanks for letting me know I need to step up my game.
It does follow the pattern you noticed, but I’m sure I’m not the only user who does this. And I never re-login to an account once I make a new one.
I think it’s ent wine, but I just use the email alias that my provider generates for me when I change accounts and instances every few months for a layer of anonymity.
I guess I piss off ByteData enough that he’s noticed the pattern my provider uses, but didn’t notice that once I switch accounts I never use the old one again.
Plus, I’m probably not the only one who does this.
People voted, but the MAGA Nazis rigged the election, and we ALL know it. Too bad the Democratic leadership decided to help the MAGA Nazis cover it up, and declare that they won “fair & square.” Rich Democrats like Schumer can be bought as easily as any Republican.
It seems quite likely, but aside from the plain-sight rigging (gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc etc) I haven’t seen anything except that one “computer science” guy whose numbers were contradicted by election officers.
The most alarming development on Tuesday was more than 30 bomb threats that were called into election locations, according to CBS News, including two that temporarily shut down two polling locations in Georgia. Both were “non-credible” and from Russia, Georgia secretary of state Brad Raffensperger said. Voting hours were extended at five polling places in Fulton county as a result.
Well that certainly sounds bad, but it also sounds like a weak attempt at creating chaos. There are 100,000 polling places, they emailed bomb threats to “more than” 30 and apparently the return address on at least some were russian domains. And they were declared false and the polling places extended hours.
It’s bad, and it’s clearly designed to help trump, but I can’t see it swinging an election. Obviously it would add to the rest of it, but given what could have happened (i.e. MAGA chuds circling the parking lots with guns or some shit) it doesn’t sound like that was much of a factor.
I mean, if 35 fake bomb threats can win you the presidency we should have figured that out before, right?
Not exactly a citation but it was pretty weird when someone found one of the DOGE staffers’ participation in a hackathon around vote manipulation that got him real close with Musk as a result. Then he started wiping his connections once it was made public.
Why are you excluding the “plain sight rigging?” Beyond gerrymandering, millions of voters were disqualified through ostensibly legal means that likely wouldn’t stand up to legal challenge, but the Democrats were so concerned about taking the high road to pre-empt accusations of “throwing a tantrum” like the right did on January 6 that they just let it all slide.
Well, for one that’s not new - they’ve been doing that for a long time.
For two, as an example, where do we get “millions” of voters from? Is it a non-corporate-news blog without citations? My preference is corporate news with citations since that’s going to have the biggest impact.
You could read what I linked; guy lists his own credentials and experience in addition to his sources.
Still curious why “they’ve been doing that for a long time” is justification for you to just ignore all the unethical voter disenfranchisement occurring, especially considering the unprecedented scale (of which you be aware if you’d read my link).
Honestly, I suspect they’ve been trying trying their hardest to rig the last several elections, which is why they were so pissed off and in denial about 2020: they were incredulous that they rigged it and still managed to lose anyway.
But yeah, we’ve been having exit poll discrepancies, Republican success strangely correlating with the installation of Diebold voting machines with no paper ballot, outsized performance for certain Republican candidates even though Democrats won down-ballot races, and other weird anomalies for couple of decades now.
That said, I don’t necessarily think that Republican rigging changed the 2024 outcome. I was watching them insert MAGAts into election boards, pack the courts, and gear up to refuse to certify votes and whatnot, so I was fully expecting “stop the steal 2.0” except successful this time. But then Harris gave a big middle finger to the left and subsequently underperformed so badly that she just lost outright, so the foul play wasn’t even necessary.
The truth is that outright stealing elections via vote rigging is an incredibly risky strategy. If you do that, and you get caught? That’s the kind of thing that can legitimately trigger an actual civil war. Rationally, it’s just not worth the risk. It’s especially not worth the risk when there are plenty of other shady but legal options available like gerrymandering, voter roll purges, corrupt judicial rulings, etc.
This dynamic is also why you rarely see companies bribing politicians with giant bags of cash delivered in the night. There’s no need to engage in such overt bribery, as they’ve already constructed a system where legal forms of bribery (campaign contributions) exist.
What do you think they’re afraid of? Every time they get caught doing something blatantly illegal, the only consequence is their base gets more enthusiastic. And they’re not exactly trying to avoid a civil war now that they’re in power.
Vote for what, the people that gave us trump, the people that denied a genocide of brown people was occuring, the people that welcomed war criminals with open arms? 50 years of liberals lesser evil gave us incremental fascism.
Frederick Douglas worked for Lincoln even though Lincoln wasn’t running as an anti-slavery candidate
Douglass was also very involved in national politics, and as the presidential election of 1860 approached, he advocated for candidates with strong antislavery platforms. American voters received a ballot crowded with four candidates: Abraham Lincoln (Republican), John C. Breckenridge (Southern Democrat), Stephen A. Douglas (Democrat), and John Bell (Constitutional Union). Douglas’s belief in “popular sovereignty,” Breckenridge’s pro-slavery platform, and Bell’s aversion to the issue entirely left Frederick Douglass to endorse Lincoln and the Republicans, whom he believed were more antislavery than the divided Democrats.
I also support Bernie, as he’s closest to actual representation for me. But I think you’re slightly mistaken here - progressives did support him and got him on the primary ballot in ‘16 and ‘20 elections, and both times as he was gaining momentum the establishment democrats colluded to steal the nomination from him.
In 2016 it was Hillary and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz with the superdelegate voting scheme in exchange for access to the Clinton Foundation coffers. And in 2020 it was the foolhardy betrayal and backstabbing by other “progressives” in the race in exchange for theoretical cabinet positions promised by Biden, almost none of which materialized. Both times, the corporate media smear campaign against Bernie was in full force, because to them anything which upsets the status quo threatens their profit margin, and the rich capitalists who own these multinational news networks consider that blasphemy.
Too bad people couldn’t be bothered to vote last year.
But the Democrats didn’t offer them a pony
The Democrats are constantly cutting their own hamstrings by courting the conservatives base rather than their own base. That’s why they always lose. Too many Chuck Schumers, not enough AOCs. The mainstream dems can’t stop suckling the corporate teet long enough to notice they’re getting played.
At this point, I assume anyone still harping on this is a conservative provocative looking to stir up division.
The truth is it’s possible for more than one group to be at fault. Those who stayed home have a ton of blame, the centrist dipshits at the DNC have a ton of blame, and the Republicans themselves have the most blame of all.
Quit trying to sew division. We need unity now, not to rehash old grievances.
Oh FUCKING NOW we need unity?!
Fuck you people forever.
no, you’re doing unity wrong
Or eggs.
“Taking a stand against genocide” = pony. Got it.
You chose the genocide harder option. How did that help anyone?
Citation needed.
I mean, neither side took a stand against genocide, so any would-be progressive who sought to “punish” the Democrats by not voting for them over this gets as much sympathy from me as all the regressive dipshits whose faces keep getting eaten by leopards. Every vote that wasn’t cast for the “genocidal” Democrats was a vote cast for the genocidal and also fascist white nationalist party.
How’s it feel knowing you’ve got a great view of 'Murrica openly trying to emulate 1930s Germany from the saddle of your moral high horse?
Straw man. I voted for Harris.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/aoc-democrats:
How does it feel knowing you facilitated fascism by refusing to hold establishment democrats’ feet to the fire so they would adopt a platform for people instead of billionaires?
Yes, it was totally the fault of random people (especially citizens of another country like me) who didn’t push the Dems to be more progressive that got Trump the win… because all the people who voted the orange shitstain totally would’ve swung left if the left party had been more left. Makes perfect sense.
Yes. Here you are throwing progressives under the bus. Blaming them for democrats losing (time and time again) when reality shows progressive ideas have broad support. Polls show Bernie would have beat Donald in 2016, but we had to have Hilary, whose slogan was “I’m with her” because she had no platform. Well, not a public one, and not one that would actually help anyone with fewer than seven digits in their net worth. She’s literally says as much in her book What Happened where she says over and over that every proposed platform plank sounded great but was shot down because it involved transferring some (small amount of) money from the rich to the poor.
The democrats are the party of billionaires just as much as republicans, they’re just less overtly racist.
Their centrism (really, steady rightward march) is literally killing us.
Well, now we have genocide in the US, so how did taking that stand work out?
Lol, where LMAO? Stop cheapening the meaning of words
You alright?
I can’t speak for the other person, but no. Not at all.
Do I need to change my name to name-name-3digits to join your trollfarm?
Edit: they got me boys, there goes all my karma. Hahah.
Oh no. Don’t group me with those people please
based on your comment history… its ok, you’re cool. :)
Haha this feels like the poor folks who end their username with their birth year being 88.
Not all is random name 3 letters are trolls.
Hmm
I think you might have me confused with someone else. I do have 4-5 accounts on different instances, but only because I abandon my current one every few months and use my email provider to generate a new alias for a new instance and use the alias as my username.
This is for anonymity purposes because I’ve been vocally critical of the current US administration, but I guess my writing style is unique enough that you could follow me. Thanks for letting me know I need to step up my game.
It does follow the pattern you noticed, but I’m sure I’m not the only user who does this. And I never re-login to an account once I make a new one.
What?
Can confirm. No pony was offered and several people on here loudly proclaimed they would be allowing trump to win because of it.
“Entwine” is one word…
But could you imagine Ent wine? Like, what does a tree get drunk on?
Fermented orc blood. Distilled for a really good time. There was a really good vintage out of the East recently.
I think it’s ent wine, but I just use the email alias that my provider generates for me when I change accounts and instances every few months for a layer of anonymity.
I guess I piss off ByteData enough that he’s noticed the pattern my provider uses, but didn’t notice that once I switch accounts I never use the old one again.
Plus, I’m probably not the only one who does this.
But it’s okay. I’m sure the people who couldn’t be bothered to pick up a ballot will be happy to pick up a rifle.
People voted, but the MAGA Nazis rigged the election, and we ALL know it. Too bad the Democratic leadership decided to help the MAGA Nazis cover it up, and declare that they won “fair & square.” Rich Democrats like Schumer can be bought as easily as any Republican.
I wish to investigate your citations.
It seems quite likely, but aside from the plain-sight rigging (gerrymandering, voter suppression, etc etc) I haven’t seen anything except that one “computer science” guy whose numbers were contradicted by election officers.
The cascade of bomb threats in blue areas’ poking centers of swing states didn’t reach your attention?
I remember one. Do you have a list of them?
There were over 30. Hitting at least 5 swing states. Some polling places were evacuated multiple times.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/06/election-day-voting-glitches-bomb-threats
Well that certainly sounds bad, but it also sounds like a weak attempt at creating chaos. There are 100,000 polling places, they emailed bomb threats to “more than” 30 and apparently the return address on at least some were russian domains. And they were declared false and the polling places extended hours.
It’s bad, and it’s clearly designed to help trump, but I can’t see it swinging an election. Obviously it would add to the rest of it, but given what could have happened (i.e. MAGA chuds circling the parking lots with guns or some shit) it doesn’t sound like that was much of a factor.
I mean, if 35 fake bomb threats can win you the presidency we should have figured that out before, right?
Not exactly a citation but it was pretty weird when someone found one of the DOGE staffers’ participation in a hackathon around vote manipulation that got him real close with Musk as a result. Then he started wiping his connections once it was made public.
https://bsky.app/profile/denisedwheeler.bsky.social/post/3lhowh3ijgs2f
Why are you excluding the “plain sight rigging?” Beyond gerrymandering, millions of voters were disqualified through ostensibly legal means that likely wouldn’t stand up to legal challenge, but the Democrats were so concerned about taking the high road to pre-empt accusations of “throwing a tantrum” like the right did on January 6 that they just let it all slide.
https://hartmannreport.com/p/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-c6f
Well, for one that’s not new - they’ve been doing that for a long time.
For two, as an example, where do we get “millions” of voters from? Is it a non-corporate-news blog without citations? My preference is corporate news with citations since that’s going to have the biggest impact.
You could read what I linked; guy lists his own credentials and experience in addition to his sources.
Still curious why “they’ve been doing that for a long time” is justification for you to just ignore all the unethical voter disenfranchisement occurring, especially considering the unprecedented scale (of which you be aware if you’d read my link).
So, the MAGAs didn’t rig the election in 2020 and let Biden win, and then when they were out of power decided to steal it? You contradict yourself.
When Biden won, states launched literally hundreds of pieces of legislation to make sure that didn’t happen again. Did you not notice?
Honestly, I suspect they’ve been trying trying their hardest to rig the last several elections, which is why they were so pissed off and in denial about 2020: they were incredulous that they rigged it and still managed to lose anyway.
But yeah, we’ve been having exit poll discrepancies, Republican success strangely correlating with the installation of Diebold voting machines with no paper ballot, outsized performance for certain Republican candidates even though Democrats won down-ballot races, and other weird anomalies for couple of decades now.
That said, I don’t necessarily think that Republican rigging changed the 2024 outcome. I was watching them insert MAGAts into election boards, pack the courts, and gear up to refuse to certify votes and whatnot, so I was fully expecting “stop the steal 2.0” except successful this time. But then Harris gave a big middle finger to the left and subsequently underperformed so badly that she just lost outright, so the foul play wasn’t even necessary.
The truth is that outright stealing elections via vote rigging is an incredibly risky strategy. If you do that, and you get caught? That’s the kind of thing that can legitimately trigger an actual civil war. Rationally, it’s just not worth the risk. It’s especially not worth the risk when there are plenty of other shady but legal options available like gerrymandering, voter roll purges, corrupt judicial rulings, etc.
This dynamic is also why you rarely see companies bribing politicians with giant bags of cash delivered in the night. There’s no need to engage in such overt bribery, as they’ve already constructed a system where legal forms of bribery (campaign contributions) exist.
What do you think they’re afraid of? Every time they get caught doing something blatantly illegal, the only consequence is their base gets more enthusiastic. And they’re not exactly trying to avoid a civil war now that they’re in power.
An overt civil war. The leader getting caught outright stealing an election is the kind of thing that causes people to start picking up guns.
At this point I’m half convinced they want a civil war.
Vote for what, the people that gave us trump, the people that denied a genocide of brown people was occuring, the people that welcomed war criminals with open arms? 50 years of liberals lesser evil gave us incremental fascism.
Frederick Douglas worked for Lincoln even though Lincoln wasn’t running as an anti-slavery candidate
Douglass was also very involved in national politics, and as the presidential election of 1860 approached, he advocated for candidates with strong antislavery platforms. American voters received a ballot crowded with four candidates: Abraham Lincoln (Republican), John C. Breckenridge (Southern Democrat), Stephen A. Douglas (Democrat), and John Bell (Constitutional Union). Douglas’s belief in “popular sovereignty,” Breckenridge’s pro-slavery platform, and Bell’s aversion to the issue entirely left Frederick Douglass to endorse Lincoln and the Republicans, whom he believed were more antislavery than the divided Democrats.
Too bad Dems held no primary and foisted a genocidal dementia patient on us as the only alternative.
Too bad the progressives who had four years to get Bernie on the ballot fell asleep.
I donated to Bernie in 2016, 2020, and 2024.
I also support Bernie, as he’s closest to actual representation for me. But I think you’re slightly mistaken here - progressives did support him and got him on the primary ballot in ‘16 and ‘20 elections, and both times as he was gaining momentum the establishment democrats colluded to steal the nomination from him.
In 2016 it was Hillary and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz with the superdelegate voting scheme in exchange for access to the Clinton Foundation coffers. And in 2020 it was the foolhardy betrayal and backstabbing by other “progressives” in the race in exchange for theoretical cabinet positions promised by Biden, almost none of which materialized. Both times, the corporate media smear campaign against Bernie was in full force, because to them anything which upsets the status quo threatens their profit margin, and the rich capitalists who own these multinational news networks consider that blasphemy.