You forgot how they singlehandedly won WW2
If today, I wonder if the US would be more reluctant to get involved in that war, considering how seemingly half the country wish Hitler were their president.
More reluctant? It’s arguable that if Japan did not directly attack the US they never would have joined. “America First” was a powerful political group that urged elected officials and the public to stay out of European wars even if Hitler took over all of Europe. America First disbanded after Pearl Harbor. Fun fact: Dr. Seuss got his start parodying this group in political cartoons.
Yeah, I’m well aware, hence the word more.
however, it was controversial for the anti-Semitic and pro-fascist views of some of its most prominent speakers, leaders, and members.
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Also worth noting that the two largest ethnicities in the US at the time were Irish and German Americans. With the famine still in living memory as well as Ireland’s independence being relatively recent, Irish-Americans were not very keen on helping the British Empire. (Ireland itself maintained neutrality throughout the war, largely for this reason.) Similarly, German-Americans --many of whom still spoke German at home and in their day to day lives-- weren’t very stoked about going to war against Germany.
Left-leaning communities like Lemmy want to have it the way that the US recalcitrance in getting involved in the war was only about good old fashioned American racism, but the real history is much more complicated. It turns out that while Nazi sympathizers did play a role, the politics were fraught in many other ways as well. The Irish and German American constituencies were too big to simply be ignored by the politicians in power, regardless of what their own sympathies may have been.
I’m not sure if they want it more now or wanted it more then. This is a Nazi rally in Madison Square Garden in New York City in 1939:
Washington would be appalled by that
I don’t know. A lot of ideas about eugenics came from the US to Nazi Germany. US’ support of allies was more political than ideological, and that in turn changed US ideology. Also, death camps which are the automatically objectionable act weren’t known (or maybe weren’t happening yet, I’m hazy on this) before Pearl Harbor.
It’s so fucking wild that Germany just ends up getting used as a scapegoat, so we can blame someone else in the history books, and gloss over one’s own country’s eugenics programs.
And we Germans embrace it fully. We build our modern nationalism on our commemorative culture and the “never again” and how not patriotic we are (paradoxically). So much so that we forget our colonial history. In 1904, we did the first genocide of the century (the Herero and Namaqua genocide) but all we talk about in history classes is Hitler.
We have that opinion now because the west took in and harboured all the smart Nazi’s that did the research and developed the technology.
The problem wasnt Nazi policies, the problem was destabilized world order. Leaders easily look the other way on moral issues when power is at stake.
I always think of that line in the movie The Right Stuff where they’re talking about whether the Soviets or the Americans had saved the right Nazi scientists and Von Braun says, “our Germans are better than their Germans.”
Nah, that’s mean to the Nazis. Republicans love Nazis now.
Always has been 👨🚀
The moon landing wouldn’t be up there in red states.
It would be, but only to talk about how it was a waste of taxpayer money
True but depends how delusional they are. Some are further lost than others. Drinking the koolaid too much.
Nawwwe, they’re all flat earthers. No way they acknowledge it if they actually get their way.
The moon landing wouldn’t be up there in red states.
Of course it would. It is one of the few actually valid examples of American exceptionalism which nationalists absolutely require as the underpinnings to their myopic ethos. In addition to teaching the history of this wonderful achievement, it will also be taught how these events never actually took place to support their claims the government actively lies to the American people requiring action for citizens to “take back” the country. Questions for both viewpoints will be on the midterm, so remember to study.
If you’re wondering how these two contradictory ideas can be taught in the same classroom, then remember in MAGA school the class taught immediately prior to history is “Learning to live with Cognitive Dissonance”.
It’s not really cognitive dissonance, they just don’t care about facts or truth. Words are just carrier waves for emotions and aren’t the signal per se
Yeah but “the moon landing was a myth”
Nah now that other countries are expanding their space programs the Republicans would never pass up the chance to brag about how they were first to the moon if for nothing else than to put everyone else down.
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Hitler wasn’t so bad
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Slavery was good for black people
I wasn’t taught much from the “slavery is good” angle in GA. It was more subtle, framed as mostly information about the goods traded and what slaves produced for the countries they were in. Like, it was all about the slave trade industry and not how awful the conditions were.
Lots of information glossed over in favor of capitalism.
I think TheJims was referencing the fact that Florida has recently added the explicit idea that slaves benefited from slavery (that they developed skills, for example, being one of the things they claim the slaves benefited from) to their curriculum.
- God created everything 6000 years ago
- The Moon landing was fake news
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They wouldn’t pass up on WWII since that’s the last time we were honestly seen as the good guys to the world. The Cold War would probably be there too just to show “communism doesn’t work”.
They wouldn’t pass up on WWII since that’s the last time we were honestly seen as the good guys to the world.
Literally the only time anyone thought you were the good guys lol.
Erm. I’ll give credit for supporting Ukraine, but they seem to be backsliding on that
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You’d think they would want to talk about the Civil war too. That was a notable event in history where the democrat party of the time was the bad guys and wanted to keep slavery legal.
No no, because then white kids feel guilty and everyone has reason to doubt the glory of our beloved nation. America dindu
Republicans won’t teach about WWII because they lost
Well they WERE getting seen as the good Guys with Ukraine, but Putin wasnt happy with that so the republicans have decided to get in the way of that
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*revised edition
Also gotta teach both theories of how the moon landing could have happened…
What is the right wing version of 1776? Or is the joke that they will revise it? If that is the joke I’ll delete this once someone tells me because explaining a joke is a sin I think. I’m just curious what their revisions are if it’s real
The feeling is that they will remove the woke portion (read: enlightened) that drove it in the first place. That leaders just got mad and started fighting for…States Rights™️ and prayer in schools.
Oh wtf that’s wild asf, I’m so curious what is actually going through people’s heads who support this kind of thing. Unless it’s all evil people which is what it seems like without thinking too much about it.
It’s considered a righteous moment in American history. Americans that are backwards want to be on that side and will pervert and distort what happened until it reflects their point of view, values, and politics.
Wait until they mandate teaching about Jan 6th tourist visit to the Capitol
No way they let people learn about the moon landing.
(how) the moon landing (was faked)
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The space Odyssey?
ironically
Moon landing was fake though, you can’t teach something that is fake. /s
That’s probably what they’ll teach. That it was a fake liberal lie to undermine the glorious nation of Russia.
you can’t teach something that is fake.
Uh… I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you can though. Here’s a little example:
Africa is a shithole country. White people were kind to accept the slaves that Africans themselves provided, and civilized them. They even gave them sammiches sometimes!
There problem solved: now little Timmy doesn’t have to feel guilty about being the oppressor anymore! :-P Next week we’ll cover how chaining native Americans to (active) hot stoves in >100 degree temps in the desert will help teach them the true meaning of Christianity…
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I have heard that the younger generations are the opposite actually - b/c of having access to the internet and reading, they are being exposed at a younger age than ever before to things such as the fact that USA killed off the native Americans (genocidally murdering/raping/thieving/etc.), and also owned human beings. The parents ofc are freaking out, and trying to stop this “knowledge”, or at least they say that they want to slow, and not expose little Timmy to things that he doesn’t need to know about until he is older.
The odd part is that children are extremely resilient - they can accept death as natural, and the fact that this nation in its past has made some questionable (okay so fine: downright EVIL) choices - but it is the PARENTS that are the ones who cannot accept that.
The Baby Boomer generation in particular, I’ve noticed, seems to prefer this “let’s pretend” attitude, perhaps as a result of growing up emotionally scarred from all the wars (WWII, Korea, Vietnam), they just want to pretend that everything is fine, even as the world burns (in some cases, literally) around them.
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Absolutely. Though as we were discussing elsewhere in this post, humans can be evil, and selfish, and greedy, and people can literally help bring back slavery rather than force themselves to truly look at it, call it out as “bad”, and do something about it.
I somewhat understand the other side of the argument as well - like, if someone was old and just wanted to lie back and enjoy life for awhile (as we all will be someday, unless we die first), then who am I to take action or even desire to stop such a one from doing exactly that? On the other hand, someone who ACTUALLY does that causes little to no harm, whereas someone who does the OPPOSITE of that, e.g. by taking the action to vote - whether at a local school board, or on the state or especially federal level - that is when such a person’s rights end, the very moment that they begin to infringe upon the rights of others.
And like, if a child were to take a book out of the library and burn it, wouldn’t that child get in trouble? Maybe they would have to pay a fine, perhaps have disciplinary action taken against them such as being suspended, or if mitigating circumstances coexist then at least be sent to counseling? So how much more in trouble should an adult get into, if they likewise burn a book, or maybe… oh… let’s say that they lead a violent attempt to overthrow the democratically-elected government, shitting on the constitution and in the process, cause at least one police officer to be killed, brutally, with his screams of agony caught on video - how much should such a person be punished? (That is a trick question obviously, b/c it presumes that “justice” is what is dispensed at all.) Let us call this “individual 1”, but moving past that, how much responsibility would a new person hold, let’s call them “individual 2” if even AFTER all of that occurred, and I mean it is not secret but rather came to light and was publicly condemned by people in positions of authority everywhere (Democrats, Republicans, Independents, in the Executive, Legislative - both House and Senate - Judicial, as in Supreme Court, DOJ, federal lower courts, etc.), this person (individual 2) actually votes for individual 1?
When we step up to become leaders, then we take on additional responsibility beyond the common man. Voting is similarly a position of responsibility, in determining what will be done in the USA. As people vote - again, whether in small, local matters such as school board issues, or even more so at the larger levels that affect so many more people besides one’s own self + family + even neighbors - I would hope that they would remember the lessons of history, so that we do not have to repeat them. However, since that turns out not to be true, it seems that slavery will be coming back… it is here already in fact, in many areas in the south where there are more incarcerated black people than there ever were as slaves, and I am not entirely convinced that everyone in there is fully a “criminal” (maybe, but the systems that push for convictions based on quotas, in those for-profit institutions, lends credence to the thought that not ALL of them are that way…); plus in any case employment seems to be becoming more slave-like all the time, as the “American dream” of potentially owning a home and thereby becoming financially independent is increasingly being taken away from so very many. We are already re-walking those paths, that so long ago we turned away from in disgust, but like a dog returning to its vomit… we cannot seem to help ourselves. Finally, I want to add that many people, e.g. in WWI and WWII both, literally gave their lives to fight against fascism spreading in other countries - however, fast-forward to today and a goodly fraction of people in America are indicating that they want to fight on the side for fascism, rather than against it. We are moving backwards, and not slowly either, but practically at a run:-( (though precisely how fast nobody seems to know, and I for one do not trust any media source anymore, nor do I see that changing anytime soon, which in itself should be an extremely troubling warning sign of things yet to come).
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It seems difficult to put such people in jail for such “crimes” when for one thing, >40% of Americans think that it was a good thing, and for another thing, several congresspeople have stated that they were there and participated - some even lying about that - as a badge of honor and pride. Truth has gotten “twisted” so that it is not “True” anymore, in some people’s minds. Brainwashing techniques - e.g. repeating something ad nauseam so as to bypass the logical thought processes and instill it as “simply a fact” (even/especially when it is no such thing) - are extremely powerful, and I see efforts to use it on both sides of the political divide.
Speaking of, at one point in our history we were Americans first, members of a political party second, but this is no longer true, and nowadays someone’s political affiliation is the single greatest defining characteristic of them (that btw is not true - or at least might not be!? - but it seems to be many people’s perception in any case:-D).
And therefore, in order to stop the badness that whatever the “other side” will do, yes even murder captured on television apparently can be excused, and even celebrated for just how “peaceful” that protest was, and b/c it was so “peaceful”, perhaps it should be done again, around… oh, let’s say… the time of the next election maybe?
I guess we will see what happens.
Africa is a continent. You can fit all of Europe as well as the entire United States inside of it. What you quoted is really fucking dumb.
Ah good, so you understood the joke.
It wasn’t meant to be intelligent.
No shit Sherlock
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Elon Musk is African-American. Makes sense Trump is retarded enough to mistake his allies for enemies. Hopefully they both lose everything, fuck billionaires.
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Anyone who would make that claim unironically is indeed really fucking dumb. Plus it’s mean so they must be an absolute shithole person to even think that way in the first place.
Two wrongs doesn’t make a right
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Just to interject here. For those wondering the actual thing holding up the lander and liftoff lunar vehicle is a really sore spot. Because what’s stopping us isn’t some technical challenge.
SpaceX owned by Elon Musk and Blue Origin owned by Jeff Bezos are having a spat over who gets to build the HLS. And the objecting and complaining to courts that NASA isn’t being fair to (insert either of these players) has easily set back going back to the moon at least half a decade if not moreso.
So this pretty specific part of the whole moon landing has actually held up a lot surprisingly but mostly because we’ve got two very rich people having a very visible cat fight that’s slowing everything else related to moon travel down to a crawl.
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Who was claiming that “easily” was how we did it?
Lamo it was not easy. It was rigorously planned and quadruple checked. Many lab tests and smaller satilite launch to test rockets.
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In the 1960s we built a moon rocket. Single purpose built for going to the moon and back.
Today, companies are trying to build general purpose ultra heavy lift rockets and slapping a moon mission on them. Starship? Not a moon rocket. New Glenn? Not a moon rocket.
Its like living in an RV and saying “living in it isnt the problem, its the plumbing!” Plumbing is an easy solved problem for fixed houses. You’ve only made the situation harder on yourself by trying to be dual purpose
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We did it using analoge technology that is no longer produced and with security standards much lower than is acceptable today. The tech that we are “missing” is modern tech used for the same purposes with acceptable reliability and security. One hurdle with digital over analog is that radiation affects it a lot more. Not insurmountable, but requires work to prove it lives up to modern standards.
Sure there are technical challenges in getting to the Moon, landing, relaunching, and returning to Earth, but none of them are particularly insurmountable. The reason we haven’t really been back to the Moon is that public and political interest in space practically disappeared and funding along with it. And now space agencies have to either wait for some petty billionaire twats to stop cat-fighting or somehow scrape together enough of a budget out of countless other, arguably more important missions.
Also, just because something seemed fake on tv, it does NOT indicate that it is actually fake. Moon-landing hoax conspiracies have been torn apart numerous times and are all over YouTube, buried under all the hoax videos. We also have physical evidence such as Moon rocks that we use for research and reflectors placed on the Moon that we can shoot lasers at. You can even visit the Saturn V in a museum (can’t remember which one off the top of my head). The real question is why fake the Moon landing? Why spend billions of dollars on R/D, hardware, and technology as well as employ thousands of people for decades just to not do the thing? Occam’s razor is particularly relevant here, the simplest explanation is almost certainly the correct one.
We know how it’s just no one’s doing it. The honest program is working up to that but it’s going to be a while, if you wanted to go faster bug your Congressman about NASA funding versus military funding
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Probably something in there about poverty and crime rates soaring after the liberal North forced the glorious and God fearing South to end the benevolent system of slavery that provided free housing and healthcare to those poor incapable souls in its care.
Let’s be real here.
The Moon Landing ain’t gonna be on there.
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I bet they leave in plenty of time to talk about how oppressed the Mormons have been.
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They left out:
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there was certainly WMD in Iraq. The UN just never looked in the right place.
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over a million Afghanistan civilians deserved to die for the Trade Center attacks carried out by the son of a wealthy Saudi businessman
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That wealthy Saudi businessman, who had direct financial ties to the sitting president at the time.
Direct financial ties being partnership in a group that owned a bunch of arms manufacturers.
Don’t forget how Saddam Hussein PERSONALLY flew both planes into the twin towers on 9/11.
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apparently the constitution doesn’t exist in this alternate universe. Which seems weird.
That’s covered in 1776, blacks and women are 3/5 of a person
maybe our president should make an executive order federalizing education and make standards stick
forgot never mind everything is a state by state issue and it is the citizen’s fault for not voting correctly even though some are not allowed to vote and we have a militarized police to ensure citizens get put in their place and the minimum wage is $7.25 unless you win the geographic lottery and are born in a state with higher minimum wages
at least trump is not president so all is good
