Honestly, none.
I didn’t really like any celebrities as a kid, and growing up it seems like I’ve only been supportive of people who aren’t complete shit.
I genuinely believe a lot of you people find out the creators you like suck because you like shitty creations.
Chuck Norris.
As a kid growing up in Texas in the 90s, Walker Texas Ranger was cool. Early internet memes about him were hilarious.
Then he said if he were elected president he would “Tattoo an American flag with the words, “In God we trust,” on the forehead of every atheist.”
Ever since I’ve been the killjoy, saying “fuck Chuck Norris” to anyone making a Chuck Norris is tough joke.
jackien chan, he went SHILLING FOR THE CCP sometime ago, and was ousted from HK film industry for that, and he couldnt even make it as a party member. i saw him making news again because he was in cobra kai, that isnt going to save his fame. also abandoned one of his daughters in canada with no money,.
Same deal with Steven Seagal, used to think he was a badass. Now the shitbag is clinking glasses with Putin and can totally still beat up multiple stuntmen.
You know who actually was a badass and didn’t say a goddamn word about it? Bob Ross. Most people don’t even know he spent years in an Air Force uniform before painting those happy little trees and trying to bring some joy to people.
I can’t even remember the last time someone said a chuck Norris joke…oh yeah it all died suddenly when he came out as an ultra Christian and revealed he didn’t understand how jokes work. He started correcting people that his tears do not actually cure cancer.
I think MySpace was still a thing back then.
What a bizarre moment that was.
Dave Chapelle
Dave Chapelle
Yup, he turned into a dick as he got old. A lot of celebs do that, or they cant afford that PR team anymore that used to make the look like they werent aholes.
hes basically, why is everyone getting upset about my transphobic jokes. and then all the conservatives start flocking to his show.
Snoop Dogg. Black man playing songs at an orange man’s klan rally, at this point Martha Stewart is more gangster than he is.
By the same token, my respect for Kendrick went up 1000% after his halftime show.
Yup, coward has been in hiding since the first negative articles came out. Just another sad human showing his greed over what is right.
Hmm maybe there should be a new strain out there sold as Snoop Sellout Kush.
If I ran a grow op I’d name that strain and funnel the proceeds to help trans kids with counseling and support, just to point the middle finger directly at their latest boogeyman.
Shame since he’s been an icon for so long and helped a lot of kids with the football program, but I guess above a certain level of wealth the only religion you follow is money and everything else including morality is just an opportunity for profit.
I’m ok with people shutting the fuck up and disappearing when they get called out for being arseholes. In fact, I wish more people were capable of that.
I must have missed the latest Snoop Drama, but don’t bother to update me - I don’t care about Snoop. He always struck me as a dude that’s just constantly baked and will say yes to pretty much anything without too much scrutiny, so he can turn up pretty much ANYWHERE. That’s bound to backfire eventually.
Mike Rowe.
Had a really good following when he did Dirty Jobs and then did a hard pivot to conservative, anti-union, pro-profiteering talking head.
In recent years, television personality Mike Rowe has amassed a wildly popular following due to alleged working-class straight talk about topics ranging from the affordability of college to reasserting a culture of pride in craftsmanship and labor. From his 5.2 million Facebook followers to his cable programs, his everyman schtick, on its surface, can be very appealing: after all, who doesn’t love a hard day’s work and loathe detached, ivory tower eggheads?
But hiding under his superficially appealing blue-collar façade is dangerous ideology, one funded by the Koch Brothers and other far-right, anti-labor corporate interests and specifically tailored to pick off a certain constituency of Home Depot Democrats while pushing political impotence, anti-union narratives and anti-intellectualism. Through a clever combination of working class affectation and folksy charm – often exploiting real fears about a decline in industrialization – Rowe has cultivated an image that claims to be pro-worker, but primarily exists to line the pockets of their boss.
Our guest is Street Fight Radio’s Bryan Quinby.
of course the Koch brothers involved, its either Koch, OR putin funded.
Thats why EVERY SINGLE MENTION of “Soros!” has to be immediately responded with “Kochs”
Edit: fick thus gpddamn jryboard
doubt conservatives know who koch brothers are, they dont read too deep.
It makes them feel funny to say the word ‘Koch’.
Anyone who does a “buy gold” commercial is instantaneously persona non grata for me. Such a remarkable litmus test. Mike Rowe is one of them.
Or the “Reverse Mortgage” scam. Looking at you Tom Selleck!
No mustache can save you now
I have to agree with this. He has become such an asshole.
oh yea, we knew his allegience when trump won his 1st term, he gave the interview “its not so bad, and you should accept it” yea we know your trying to surgar coat your support for him.
when trump stole his 1st term
proven in court by the way
when trump stole his 1st term
proven in court by the way
I’m not familiar with that. Can you cite a source, please?
I like him. He feels like one of the only podcast guests out there who actually acknowledges that not everyone works in an office or a startup.
Robert Evans from Behind the Bastards has the same attitude but with a political ideology that actually supports blue collar workers.
*Robert Evans.
Thank you. Corrected.
Evan?
why do you people love celebrities so much?
if someone handles a ball nicely, writes a book, sings a song or plays guitar, like them for that and stop assuming they must also be wise in family advice or politically savvy
You have to be incredibly good at something for me to ignore you being an asshole. There are also certain things that are unforgivable even if the art is good.
It’s like Cosby was funny, but he drugged and raped people, so it’s hard to laugh at him now.
Absolutely, but I think you misunderstood me…
Let’s pretend for a moment Cosby is not a rapist; why do anyone infer that, because his comedy was good, he would be a good role model or have savvy life advice to give or know about politics, etc?
I completely agree with you that it’s is almost impossible to enjoy whatever celebrities do (art, sports, etc) if they are horrible people. however, that line is subjective. Many would still like Cosby if we had found out he does not donate to charity or even if he is an absent dad or if he were a terrible driver… obviously the rapist thing goes too far
I’m gonna be the first akshually here and point out that Cosby is a bad example because he DID present himself as a guiding voice and role model and came to fame by creating a cartoon showing inner city kids how to be good to each other and handle life issues.
and then theres people say the only way he could actually do that was getting inspiration from his rapes and SA.
It really comes down to the calculus of how much I like them vs what did they actually do (with some things being truly unforgivable).
For example, Sylvester Stallone recently came out in big support of Trump. To me, that makes him a huge ass. That said, I’ll still watch Rocky 4 if it comes on (all the while, in the back of my head thinking “wow, really, Trump… that’s your guy?”). So my perception of him and his movies change, but also it’s his right to be an idiot.
In the same vein, Rob Schneider has recently made his whole personality a bitter old conservative "comic’. He really brings little of value to the table, so he can easily be dismissed. His value/drama ratio isn’t worth giving him the time of day – we’ll outside of this example.
I can’t totally divorce the person from their content, but I try when their stuff is great and what they did isn’t too repulsive.
After hearing from Robs daughter how she was treated and what he was / is like as a person, I can’t like anything he did, and it all comes across narcissistic and creepy from that viewpoint. It’s like a game of power but with a curse. (whatever that game is really called,)
he was never that good in the movies without his co-stars.
I also throw into the equation “How much time has passed?”
I’m no massive fan but Mark Wahlberg is a good example, dude was a straight up violent racist asshole when he was young but the last thing was in 1992. I just cant bring myself to be mad at a 54yo for something he did 23 years ago.
seinfeld is like rob,“why arnt you laughing at my jokes, are you all woke” no because you support israel government, and your wife is currently funding state side groups.
The audience can make up their mind on how to enjoy entertainment without your approval of their thoughts and experiences . That’s how free will works.
I’m not granting or denying approval to anyone… I simply wonder why people do certain stuff
Go back to reddit to pick fights with strangers there!
You gave way too hard of an opinion to call that leading question ‘curiosity’.
Go back to truth social where you can live in your little echo chamber and maybe stop baiting. You’re too fragile to be playing that game.
LOL sorry for not having an opinion that agrees with your world view?
You don’t need to seek approval and apologize for having free will. Nor does anyone owe you an apology for their own. And they don’t owe you an explanation for having it.
Lesson 1, little grasshopper.
Speak for yourself.
People can decide for themselves on what their standards are and what integrity means.
As it should. It’s part of how a person learns independent thought and critical thinking.
You’ve made your choice. Now Leave people to their’s.
Neil Gaiman amongst many others named here.
JK Rowling. Why can’t she just shut up and write kids books?
In that regard I have to praise Stephanie Meyer: she made her money and then fucked off, never to be heard from again.
I have to praise Stephanie Meyer
Except the Twilight series glorified toxic relationships, normalized abuse and underage grooming, and hit an uncomfortable number of red flags in DSM-5.
That’s why I started with “in that regard”
mormon propaganda
I’m pretty sure she still writes books.
Though she’s been writing some Netflix animated series lately.
I’m not sure who ever decided it was a good idea for celebrities to write their own brain garbage into social media accounts instead of having their media team handle it. It’s like how you’d never get Hollywood actors appears in a toilet roll advert until the ones they did in Japan got onto the web, and now it’s totally normalised for them to be undignified. I guess all of this coincided with the old star system being replaced by the primacy of IPs and endless “franchises”, where once the film poster used to just show Sandra Bullock and say “look, it’s Sandra Bullock you idiot” and that was enough.
musk
There was a time when SpaceX and Tesla seemed like they were gonna change the world for the better, less co2, going to Mars and he even gave a few talks at astronomy events where he spoke about how carbon capture on Mars could be used to make rocket fuel (which is real and has been done btw) and bring starship rockets back, and how that same tech could be used on earth to help fight global warming. The future was gonna be amazing and I honestly believed he was gonna help make it happen
there’s a real reason marvel had him in iron man 2
Yeah, I was never a true believer or fanboy, but back before he lost his mind and fired his PR department, I was cool with the electric cars, space exploration, solar roofs, trains, and even fun flamethrowers.
Honestly thought there were gonna be downvotes on this one about people saying how Elon never invented anything or founded anything and it was all a persona. I believed it though and all that climate change stuff I thought was genuine.
Honestly thought there were gonna be downvotes on this one
same but I still wanted to say it. ngl I kinda believe a lot of people base their opinion of what someone is saying just off the upvote/downvotes ratio without thinking about it as much as they could, so the upvotes on this one may have been caused by the first few people seeing it agreeing with it
Will Smith because of what he did to Chris Rock. Guy isn’t a genuine role model anymore.
Yeah. He got slappy wid’ it.
Na-na na-na na na-na!
Will smith was a role model?
90s will Smith was the shit.
He didn’t have to curse in his raps to sell records.
We’ll fuck him, and fuck you, too!
Well, I do. So fuck him, and fuck you too!
…and he used to be well respected, it’s so weird to see what has become of him lately.
I is and was pretti insane in every interview i have ever seen after the prince of bel air, so idk.
Pussy can make man crazy.
I think Scientology is also somewhat involved
Will Smith because of what he did to Chris Rock
Honestly even now the whole things looks so staged, almost like they were planning for it to be some kind of inside joke and it went wrong?? I just dont get it, never will.
Katy Perry. She got brain rot from dating Russel Brand.
Neil Gaiman
Came here for this one. Fuck “separate the art from the artist.” I will never read one of his books again.
If he wasn’t preachy/performative about his “feminism” it wouldn’t be as awful
Feminism is in quotes because IMO he doesn’t believe what he preaches
He believes it, he just doesn’t practice it.
Like most men in power, they use it as a way to get close to people they can assert their power or dominance over.
I think he believes he’s actually a feminist. it’s a subtle difference, but an important one. He genuinely believes he’s a good guy and the things he does helps more women than it hurts.
That’s why he’s a piece of shit and so dangerous. He believes his own lies.
Yep. And to think I used to admire him. I’ve had some modest success as a published science fiction and fantasy writer, and I specifically cited him as inspiration for one of my published stories.
Wish I could take it back.
Gaiman stole all his best stuff from Tanith Lee.
She takes all the Disney princesses and rewrites them as evil; Cinderella is a witch who drives the Prince insane and Snow White is a vampire.
She’s not the only one to do that. Many people precede her, including Rice and Biegel. Same within the retelling of myths and legends. Writers have been doing that for decades. There’s no need to make stuff up, he’s a horrible person without made up nonsense.
If you read her you’ll see what I am talking about.
One good example. In her book ‘Death’s Master’ she came up with hte idea that Death and Delusion were relatives. He expanded on that idea with The Sandman.
Same
too bad he really 2 good series going on, the series cancelled them both, not because of his sexual harrasment/assaults, now they cant continue due to publicity anyways.
Bill Cosby. I was raised on Bill Cosby albums and TV shows. I can’t listen to him any more.
My family had “The Best of Bill Cosby” album when I was a kid and we listened to it a lot. Some of the funniest bits on that album and I always had warm memories sitting and listening to them.
Then it comes out that he’s a complete monster. All those family memories tied to that now, it really sucks.
He’s one of the few people who’s work I can separate from the monster, but only because it was my first comedy album as a kid
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Wasn’t really a fan as such, but I also though as far as billionaires go he’s at least useful to humanity.
He should have kept to what he was good at - marketing big ideas. Unfortunately narcissists don’t work that way.as far as billionaires go he’s at least useful to humanity.
There’s a good argument that this is still true (PS: in historical terms) despite everything. Without China the green-tech revolution would be decades behind schedule, and it took Tesla to make China move.
it took Tesla to make China move.
Maybe so, but I’m not sure whether Tesla really needed Elon Musk.
Really? So where are all its peer competitors? This person has obviously gone off the rails but was once extremely good at making seemingly impossible things happen.
The charismatic guy at the top may always get all the credit, but hundreds of other people played a role in Tesla’s success. He wasn’t even a founder of the company. All we can really say is that he bought in at the right time, but we don’t know how much of Tesla’s success was down to his personal decisions. If anything, it seems like Tesla’s decline really started when Musk started using the company more and more for his personal pet projects (Cybertruck, Teslabots etc) rather than the cars that people actually want.
What did he do?
Yeah, all those losers born in Soweto in 1971 who haven’t used their enormous wealth to fund a bunch of different business ventures. What are they even doing?
was once extremely good at making seemingly impossible things happen.
Seeing them land the Starship booster on the chopsticks - I’d say that he still is.
and it took Tesla to make China move.
Tesla maybe helped boosting Chinas EV industry … but very little for green-tech in general. And EVs are not a particular green or revolutionary technology in the first place.
So no, I don’t think he did much for humanity here.
And EVs are not a particular green or revolutionary technology in the first place.
I think most agree that, at least, EVs are needed to evolve away from the CO2 generated from petroleum consumption used in cars and trucks. Yes yes, “public transportation better for moving people” but that doesn’t work for all countries especially those with lower density population areas. Further “public transporation” does nothing for the “last mile” delivery of goods with regard to logistics.
In almost every situation an EV is better than an ICE vehicle in respect to being “green” and vehicles are what our current systems are designed around.
No, I really don’t agree. Like, at all. The problem is largely that geometry of vehicles creates those highly-destructive, resource-intensive, low-density population areas, and that’s the problem that we need to address. In that respect, EVs are just like any other vehicle. Same streets, same highways, same parking lots, same garages, same bi-weekly grocery runs to the store 5 miles away. We can start to address those problems (zoning, building codes, environmental regulations, land-use, tax structures, and such) now, and it won’t be any easier after 20 years of further automobile-oriented development while we transition the fleet to EVs. It’ll just be 20 years more entrenched. Yeah, EVs help somewhat, but the way we’re approaching them now, they’re like treating 10% of your cancer.
(I take that back if the EVs we’re talking about here are e-bikes and micromobility devices.)
You’re talking about trying to fix a multi-generational problem. In many places the things you’re asking to change have been in place for hundreds years. The politics and land ownership laws and implications are immense! That is NOT a fast problem to fix. If you’re taking EVs off the table, then that means you’re committing to 30-50 years of ICE vehicles pumping out CO2 all of that time.
How can you consider non-EVs a greener solution in your scenario?
(I take that back if the EVs we’re talking about here are e-bikes and micromobility devices.)
Its simply not possible to deliver 2000kg or 2000lbs of cargo to a business for last mile delivery in a timely fashion without a much larger vehicle than an e-bike. Why on Earth would you want a belching diesel vehicle doing that for decades on end when an EV could it with zero CO2 emissions?
It’s a multi-generational problem, so we should start fixing it now. Why is it going to be easier to solve 30-50 years from now? Why should we wait until we’ve transitioned to EVs to start the process? What is it about EVs is going to make that easier?
in fact EVS uses rare earth metals which are not mined in a ecofriendly way. the best way is to ride buses and fund mass transportation.
I agree that Ellen was significant in the race to EVs, but that is definitely in the past. As far as present tense goes, nah.
The tenses are a bit murky “I used to think ‘he’s useful…’” “this still true…” could kinda go either way, but it sounds like you’re saying it applies today, and nah.
Just read what I write, rather than what you think I might be trying to say.
I can’t find it now but there was an analysis a few days ago by a reputable source, maybe in The Atlantic, which said basically what I just said. It’s not scandalous. The guy has an impressive record as a business leader. Perhaps not as a product specialist, or even an engineer, but as force for making things happen at the company level.
Anyway, apparently there’s not much willingness to engage in nuanced debate here so that’s all I have to say.
Never been a Musk fan but I remember on Reddit everyone was calling him the “nerd king” who would change the world
And he did change the world. To the worse.
fr with how much stuff he’s fucked up so fast it has to be a record of some sort
I’ll never forget the chill that ran down my spine when that thing with these cave kids happend in Thailand, and some random guy tweeted him: pleas mr. Musk, you are the closest thing we have to tony stark, help them. I felt genuinely disgusted.
Musk losing it and calling that other dude a pedo during this event is what got me to start hopping off the musk train, so I kinda feel thankful for it?
Watching the SpaceX engineers transform those pods overnight really highlighted the fact that all he does is talk until other, more capable people actually make it happen. They probably could have been quite helpful had he not got in the way with his tantrums.
At teh end it really wasn’t helpful at all and the diver who saved them explained why. That led to his tantrum. I appreciate they tried, but at the end they werre just victims of a marketing stunt.
Side note: wondering if humans will ever figure out that they are not designed to be in caves
they are not designed to be in caves
are they design for cardboard box in the middle of a lake?
Some, yes. With anvils.
You’d think so right? I’m a certified diver and love swimming around the bottom of the ocean but caves and climbing inside shipwrecks is a hard pass. Just going through a lava tube and scraping my tank on the rock gives me the heebie jeebies
OMG yeah you got dark, tight space AND filled with water?? You got a 50/50 chance of getting Darwinized
We had hope then
he always seem wierd to me wasnt a good first impression, he made news, i assume many people found out who he was when announcing the sub/calling the thai seals pedos.
Yeah, that thing with the Thai soccer team really opened my eyes. Later, I saw a documentary on the situation, and there was no way that his submarine idea could have worked, it simply would not have fit.
But rather than accept that those on the scene were more knowledgeable about the situation, he immediately jumped to calling the rescuers pedos, as if the only reason they wanted to rescue them was because they were young boys, and wanted to molest them. What an unhinged take, proving that he was more interested in playing the hero and feeding his ego, than actually rescuing anyone. He saw an opportunity for global promotion, and was pissed when it was denied to him.
It showed me a side that we hadn’t seen before, but turned out to be his real personality.
What an unhinged take, proving that he was more interested in playing the hero and feeding his ego, than actually rescuing anyone.
Worse, it showed he couldn’t get his head around anyone else genuinely wanting to save children from dying. That was mask-off for his sociopathy.
Kelsey Grammer.
I still can’t believe he’s riding the Trump train, and is returning as Beast for the new Marvel films at the same time. The cognitive dissonance is confounding me.
