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Why is it on a liberal private business owner to provide a public bathroom? This just seems like the myth people use to show why liberalism is either phony or unsustainable.
It should be on the local government/community to provide public options.
In the context of this meme, centrist liberalism is claiming progressive credentials on the left pane, and showing its true face on the right pane. Liberalism is all about private property. So no matter what they say about caring about these issues, if you’re not paying you aren’t welcome. Liberal values are phony because money always trumps them. Look at how Dems treated paying customer Israel vs non-paying folks in Gaza.
Dems are not liberal, they are hyper capitalist. Can we get a more fitting example of liberalism?
Neoliberalism is the dominant form of liberalism not only in the US but in most of the west, so it’s safe to assume that’s the definition we’re working with here. But here, I’ll give you another example:
Look at how
Demsthe German government has treated paying customer Israel vs non-paying folks in Gaza.
I don’t have time to argue bc I have to go to my publicly funded job soon that’s about to be gone because of Republicans, but as a civil libertarian I can tell you that’s a completely BS argument.
If you’d like to read about privatized corporate government maybe check out this information on the Heritage Foundation and their role creating a “free market” in post Soviet Russia
Here you go:
Here is some info about the Heritage Foundation and the first go-between for US and Russia businesses
Here is some information about how right-wing billionaire Peter Thiel has been involved in Trump’s privatization of unethical AI since at least 2017
It seems like a lot of the stuff being blamed on Elon Musk was actually Theil’s idea, he was just smart enough to be quiet about it and let Elon be the face of taking a chainsaw to government bureaucracy (and consequently any publicly funded goods and services).
I’m not sure I understand what your point is. The US has been a plutocracy for a long time. The Republican vs Democrat debate is all about to what degree that is the case. The Democrats are slightly more benevolent when they are at the head of the plutocracy, I’ll grant you that.
Not sure if you actually read that, but the modern Republican vs Democrat political parties have very likely been intentionally polarized and turned into what they are today because of the Heritage Foundation, in order to destroy democracy and create an oligarchy.
I am not a fan of the DNC, but again it’s blatantly false to claim the actions of shitty individuals in the DNC are representative of all liberal values. Calling them slightly more benevolent when in power is either an extremely misinformed opinion or a blatant attempt to spread disinformation.
Over the last 4 months (starting literally on Jan 21) I have personally watched the polarized GOP take a literal sledgehammer to publicly funded programs in science and healthcare that (while imperfect) did an extraordinary amount of good for everyday Americans. The amount of damage done to individuals in my state who were dependent on Medicaid (some were patients in the free clinic where I volunteer and some were my own family members) is appalling and inexcusable.
I hope anyone that reads your comment will not be misinformed. I’m sorry if it wasn’t your intention, but (even putting aside losing my own job in science) this is something I’ve watched unnecessarily hurt so many people around me, as healthcare systems begin to ramp down acceptance of Medicaid in preparation for cuts that the Republicans said over and over weren’t going to happen. That was bullshit, and your description, is bullshit.
An imperfect system of very basic benefits is being made even worse in order to justify a tax cut (in addition to the billions that were already stolen via “DOGE” savings) for people who already take so much, and don’t contribute their fair share to society while leeching off corporate welfare and accusing people relying on those benefits of being the leeches. “Slightly more benevolent,” is an ignorant and dangerous way to describe imperfect but expanded access to healthcare vs the the passive aggressive genocide of undesirable populations through Mediciad cuts that are only necessary to benefit the wealthy who have taken so much more than what they have contributed.
It seems to me we are really only arguing about the degree to which the Republicans are worse than the Democrats. You are arguing the case that the Dems are significantly more benevolent, but that’s a very subjective assessment and depends what type of issues you decide to focus on. If you are more focused on international affairs and the number of brown people being killed by US manufactured weapons then there is no significant difference between the parties. If you are focused on domestic issues like health care then, sure, Obamacare is significantly better than nothing, even if it is a pale imitation of what a properly functioning health care system looks like.
When you look at the big(ger) picture, the US is governed under a plutocratic system of government whichever side is in power. The only way to have a properly functioning liberal democracy is to prevent owners of private capital from having any say in how the country is governed (so no more corporate donations, industry lobbyists, legislation written by large corporations, etc). But neither mainstream party has any intention of tackling those issues, or tackling wealth inequality. There’s sadly very little policy difference between the two parties on those issues in my opinion, and I don’t think it’s misleading to point it out.
Tell me you’ve never had to clean blood of the walls of a stall in a toilet at your minimum wage retail job without telling me you’ve never had to clean blood off the wall of a stall in the toilet at your minimum wage retail job.
I get the joke, i agree with the message but I also agree with the bathroom being for customers only…
It’s a mistake you only make once, they just need to use the bathroom and you feel like an asshole for turning them away so you let them use it and the next thing you know you’re cleaning fucking blood off the fucking wall.
Exactly, I feel like this is kind of a BS argument made by the right to say this is why liberal values are fake vs on the flip side they would be showing a wrecked bathroom in a private business to prove why liberals are suckers and liberalism is unsustainable. Like “This is what liberals want for America.”
In reality most liberals just want you to fairly tax that business and property owners and use those tax dollars to reinvest in the community by building and maintain public restrooms and other public spaces… It’s really not rocket science.
Nobody could reasonably argue it’s on you to provide public access to the bathroom in your home, why would it be different for a business? Guests/customers are one thing, but liberalism is not arguing it’s on you as an individual to take care of society.
It’s on society to take care of people, and on you to contribute to and reinvest in society as in individual to be part of something greater than just yourself.
Is this really a definition of liberalism or is it the definition of being liberal in a capitalist society?
What’s the difference?
Why should a private business be anymore responsible for providing a public restroom than you should be for offering a restroom to the public vs reserving it for yourself and guests in your home?
If you pay taxes it should be on the government or local community to provide public availability to restrooms that are maintained with the tax dollars you and people in your community pay.
Left was posted by the staff. Right was posted by the owner.
I saw a yard sign once that said “all are welcome here”, right next to the “no trespassing” sign. Struck me as contradictory and made me curious what it meant to them.
“all are welcome here”, right next to the “no trespassing” sign
I read that as “I don’t care who you are or what you look like, just make sure you’re invited first”
All are welcome here was a campaign for welcoming refugees, I think. The no trespassing was for people wanting to fish from the river bank on their property that bordered public land, most of whom are first generation immigrants, Hispanic or Hmong. I interpreted it “people are welcome in our country, just not like, HERE.” I mean, I get it, but it had some of the same energy as this post.
Just FYI most places, if the water is navigable (usually around 3ft) there’s a right of way a few feet either side of the bank.
Not a great idea to get into an argument with the land owner but legally it might give them some cover regarding fishing access.
Radical Libertarian Capitalism
Everyone is equal, as long as you have the money.
No money? DIE, MOTHERFUCKER!
Real life Ferengi.
I always did like how the Ferengi found human slavery abhorrent.
But also didn’t really acknowledge that their women were effectively slaves.
Remind me of Orwell.
“All animals are equal. Some, however are more equal than others.”
As long as you can pay you can pee…
You can pee for free and thousands of other places, including your house. I am allowed to put rules of who can pee and shit in my bathroom.
Liberalism is the closest thing to an ideology capitalists will ever have.
That’s pretty much rainbow capitalism, which is but a small part of liberalism.
In reality, liberalism is much worse when it comes to things like human rights, singing it’s praises and championing democracy and freedom while committing/supporting atrocities, like Bill Clinton administration’s war crimes, Tony Blair’s invasion of Iraq, EU’s anti-immigration barbarism, Trudeau’s arms sales, current Israel Palestine genocide, etc.
It’s baffling how many regular people call themselves liberal while not seeing the contradictions/utter hypocrisy. Even on ideological level, you can’t support things such as equality and free-market economics, they directly go against one another.
like Bill Clinton administration’s war crimes
Not defending liberalism, especially the Third Way perspective popularized by the Clinton’s. However, when you are talking about Clinton and war crimes are you talking about the war in Bosnia?
Imo intervening in an ethnic cleansing is just about the only decent reason to go to war in the first place. There were plenty of war crimes going around in Bosnia, but the vast majority of them were happening to the Bosniaks, whom the Clinton administration was aiding.
And they will stop welcoming any of those if it benefits them financially.
Who is they? Do you even know who you’re talking about to make such an assumption?
Normally “they” (and other pronouns) refer to the subject or the topic of the previous context. In this case, to the pictured venue displayed as a metaphor. I hope this clears things for you and cheers you up the little bit you need.
I’m aware of what they means grammatically, but thank you anyway.
Please name the they in this case. If know this company and their previous history to know how they will react in the future, then I’d like to know who it is.
Otherwise, you’re just throwing a blanket statement.
There are plenty of businesses around me that would not bend the knee. I’m sorry you live in a place that doesn’t have that.
Please refer to the second sentence of the comment you are answering to.
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Neoliberalism is the belief in inequality based on class.
Fascism is the belief in inequality based on identity.
No wonder, it’s just a small hop.
restrooms must be a right… ;(
Food, housing and fair wages (especially to foreign workers) aren’t even rights to these people, i highly doubt they’re going to consider that
;(
i wan post scarciti world for evryone aldri ;(
What a world that would be. I’d love that too.
We have the resources to feed, house, build and improve the life of so many in the global south/world in general. It’s due to imperialism and capitalism that we choose not to.
yisyis i kno… there is no “scarcity” if we were to… share! <3
be the change you want to see :spongebob_rainbow.png:
I don’t understand this meme.
"This is a safe space for all vulnerable groups (that pay money to us)
Liberals ultimately agree that capitalism is the way to structure society (but make it inclusive and give people rights, etc etc), while the secondary sign shows exactly where that inclusive line is drawn.
Liberals ultimately believe that the free market is all that’s needed.
Neoliberals think the free market just need a slight nudge.
Liberalism is closer to what the right wing turned the word Libertarian into today.
the subtext of the meme is: liberals pay lip service to “supporting” marginalized groups, but refuse to help when their own interests are on the line (e.g. can people who aren’t customers use the bathroom in the store? no, because making money comes first)
found the liberal
Edit: it’s a meta joke
They welcome everyone but bathroom is for paying customers only.
The real joke is that somebody out there thinks this is making a profound point.
Do they welcome a union?
We should run the government like a business
