This is the kind of thing people do when they fully believe that there is no path to justice. If we ever held cops accountable, this wouldn’t have happened.
Everyone exploding at this, but this headline seems written to stir controversy, and people don’t seem to be reading the article.
Two key facts:
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It’s reported that the 18 year old who was shot and killed was pointing a firearm with an extended magazine at officers when he was shot (though yes, he was running away, so yes, it could have been handled better, but there are thousands of more cut and dry cases to be mad about).
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The deputy who was killed may have absolutely nothing to do with what happened
Key “facts” about your “key facts”:
The cop that shot him CLAIMS the kid pointed the gun at him, but the video evidence contradicts that. In fact, he was prompted to shoot the moment he exited his vehicle by other cops hollering “He’s got a gun!” He relied on their statements, not his own experience of seeing the gun.
The fact that the kid had a gun is automatically in dispute. ALL cops have throwaway guns to be used in exactly this sort of a case. The video does not show him with a gun, but one was on him when he was found? Highly suspicious.
This kid stole a car, which was recovered. That is not a death penalty situation. Nobody should be murdered over an insured car.
but the video evidence contradicts that
The video evidence reportedly claims that. As far as I can tell it hasn’t been made public yet.
Yes the police shouldn’t be trusted, but neither should media being put out the same day. There hasn’t been enough time for the media to actually get evidence and view it themselves. Any “facts” you see right now should be held to the same belief.
I saw a clip of the kid running, and I didn’t see a gun. So I’m not just parroting someone else, I am drawing my own conclusion based on my own objective research using original sources.
Key fact: the family has not claimed that he wasn’t carrying a gun, and has viewed the body cam footage.
So?
… so if my son was murdered by police who claimed that he was pointing a gun at them and then I saw footage that proves that u would use my words and tell the whole fucking world.
You’re speculating that maybe they planted a gun.
There is body camera footage that shows the event and notably family members who have watched it have not made that claim.
Only you are making that claim.
You don’t know that they haven’t made that claim, just that the media hasnt reported it. Local media tend to be very pro-local police.
Besides, thats not the point. The cop who shot him claims he saw the kid point a gun at him, even though he was on the scene for only seconds before firing. I’ve seen the bodycam footage, and the kid was running, not aiming. That cop wasn’t responding to the kid pointing the gun, he was responding to the other cops hollering that he had a gun, and he just started firing at a running suspect.
Bottom line: the kid stole an insured car, which was recovered. There was no reason to be killing anyone over that.
I got it, you’re outraged and speculating and don’t care about knowing what happened.
You just want to push your narrative and fit the story to that.
You won’t find an ally of the police in me but people who project misinformation just to fit their world view are awful too
Everyone responds differently. You’d use words probably because you’ve found that effective in the past or have strongly associated events such as this where words have solved problems.
You are speculating the family would run to the media and your son isn’t dead so your reaction is all speculative.
If facts actually meant as much to you as you claimed you wouldn’t so readily speculate and be so quick to paper over your lack of knowledge with your personal biases.
You do indicate you like to use words and you’re currently using those words to create an unsupported narrative while getting upset with others for doing the same.
I’d suggest you try and find some time to work of self reflection but you probably just tell me to get fucked.
I’m not creating any narrative.
People are throwing out the claim that he didn’t have a gun and the cops planted it, I’m saying there’s no proof and the family isn’t saying that either.
I’m not supporting the cops killing this kid at all, I get why the dad did what he did too.
It’s just wild that someone can be like “yo I be he didn’t even have a gun and the cops planted it” and my statement that not even the family who saw the video is saying that is in the wrong.
I don’t really need to self reflect on that, tbh.
I really don’t think either of those facts mattered to dad. I think what matters is the reality that police are so rarely held accountable in even those cut and dry cases that there is no perception of justice at all.
“Things police claim” =|= “Facts”
In fact, more often than not, things cops claim are lies. Because they are trained to lie about everything.
key facts:
“reported that” “may have”
You’re saying key facts, but there’s no proof at this time that he was aiming a gun at the cops. The article makes that very clear. That has not been established at all. There’s nothing that proves he even had a weapon. That’s a claim the police made. But has not been proven. You should never ever take police statements as fact. Particularly when they so obviously have motive not to be truthful.
There is body cam footage of the event.
The family has already reviewed it.
There’s been no statement that he wasn’t carrying a gun from the family.
Uh, the dad made a statement of sorts.
The video was so enraging to the father that he went out and killed another police officer. Seems like a statement to me.
I mean dude just lost a kid. Right or wrong, people make bad decisions in those situations.
Revenge doesn’t make an action justified.
Never suggested it did. I just said that whatever was in the video enraged him to the point that he killed someone over it. So maybe we should take that as an indication of what he thought of the video. Doesn’t that make more sense than thinking that they accepted the police’s story 100%?
Are you stupid enough to think that he absolutely had a gun just because they made no statement either way? Their son was just murdered you asshat.
I’m smart enough to know that there is body camera footage of the incident and the family has already seen it and I similarly know that with the climate in the USA if the footage showed no gun and nothing to support the officers beliefs then we’d already be fucking rioting.
Making shit up without having evidence is tantamount to lying. It’s disinformation regardless of if it fits your world view.
You have implied throughout this thread that no statement from the family means he had a gun. That is also a bullshit lying accusation.
Oh my god this is insanity.
The police claim he had a gun, they claim he pointed it and that was the impetus.
The family has not refuted this claim. Maybe they will, they haven’t yet.
As it stands this is what we KNOW.
Making claims one way or the other without any credible evidence is called making shit up.
I’m not making anything up by pointing out that your claim is pulled out of the air, that’s all it is. The family hasn’t said he didn’t have a gun, the cops say he did. People in this thread do not know one way or the other so making claims is ridiculous.
The second point, I don’t really mind. If you cause your department to be viewed with hatred, you’re responsible for your “brothers” dying. If they want to avoid this they should try to rehabilitate their image. Until then, they should view everything they do as effecting all of their fellow officers.
I dunno. I’m American, and I sure don’t want the world blaming me for what trump is doing. But I do share your frustration in general.
I don’t want them to blame me, but I also will not hold it against them if they do. It’ll be understandable, but maybe not perfectly accurate.
However, these officers are in a different situation than that. They’re choosing to work as cops and with the person who caused this. I’m sure they’d fight to protect them if it comes to it, so if they get part of the punishment that’s fine. They need to learn they can’t do what they’re doing, and they aren’t going to learn by us asking nicely. They need to face consequences of some form, and the legal system isn’t handling it.
What that sounds like is that you are okay with collateral damage. But where does that stop? Are you ok with the killing of thier spouse because they chose to marry someone who became a cop? What about thier kids? Cousins? Neighbors? People who live in the same apartment complex? Where do you draw the line? And why?
A very solid line against anyone who didn’t choose it. Spouse? Probably not, but it’s in the blurry area. Are they encouraging them to be evil? I’d rather none of it happen, including the cops killing people. If they are, it’d be good if they faced consequences, so they couldn’t do it freely. Those first two aren’t happening though, so something else needs to. The only way they stop at this point is if they’re afraid to murder people. Again, preferably this is done through the legal process, but that isn’t happening.
For me, killing a cop indiscriminately is not okay. A dirty cop, I will say ok assuming the punishment fits the crime. The problem you describe is caused by poloticians, union leaders, and the legal system. They are the ones that should be “pressured” to affect change.
Trust me that will always be part of your person in the eyes if others and has been for quite some time now.
It took decades for Germans to not be immediately seen as Nazis in other European countries even when the Germans were obviously born after WW2. And to this day one of the first things you get to hear is something related to WW2, today mostly by non-europeans.
Then I guess you should probably be actively doing something about that problem shouldn’t you?
So long as you aren’t that blame isn’t really misplaced is it?
Blame is usually reserved for those actively contributing to the problem. There are several words for not doing anything to solve a problem, but blame doesn’t really fit. And how would you know if I was or was not actively doing something. That’s kind of my point. If you blame someone for something just by association, and don’t even try to find out if they are trying to solve the problem… I am not in favor of that. Afterall, a person can’t actively work to solve every problem that people who they are associated with cause. So you would be to blame for the mexican drug cartels killing people because you aren’t actively working to solve that problem, but people from your country surely do drugs which is why the cartels exist and kill people.
how would you know if I was or was not actively doing something
It’s the Internet I don’t. The difference in perspective I see is the lack of ‘guilt by association’ which only goes so far. That was kind of what the whole Nuremberg trials were about. My point is that if you are not confident that in a real life interaction you can demonstrate either you were unaware, were resisting, dis-associated yourself or were incapable, then you do shoulder some of the blame.
The fact we’re having this conversation shows you are not unaware, I hope you’re actively resisting but the defensiveness tells me you might not believe you’re doing enough, and if that’s because you’re incapable, for whatever reason, then give yourself some grace. If that’s not the case then yes, you modern_medicine are to blame for the fascist bullshit happening around you.
people from your country surely do drugs which is why the cartels exist and kill people.
I believe you have a poor understanding of what cartels are and why they exist, but yes using your example I can confidently say I actively work to alleviate the conditions that result in people self-medicating and have distanced myself from cartels and their activities as much as I am aware and capable of. Can you say the same?
I agree that “blame” may not be the right word. Is there an English word for “complicit through complacency”?
Yes, “complicit through complacency” is much better. I thought there were lots of single words that fit too. But I struggled to find any that didn’t imply active assistance.
I do what I can. But it doesn’t feel like enough. At the same time, most of it feels ineffective. In my case I have to weigh the saftey of my family against my ideology. It’s not fair to my kids to go and get myself locked up or worse.
You think you’re being reasonable, but you’ve got rose tinted glasses on
Coppers should be taught de-escalation, but rarely are, especially in the USA based on what I see.
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“Let me be very direct: We cannot allow individuals to flee from officers with a loaded firearm aimed at them,” she said. “When this happens, the outcome is almost always tragic. No one wins, and everyone involved is affected.”
Absolutely disgusting mindset for the police to operate in and it should be a condemnation of them, not an excuse for killing a fleeing person merely suspected of committing a property crime.
Armed gang murders member of the public (with the full intention of “investigating” themselves and finding they did nothing wrong), is shocked that public would kill one of their own, and expects the public to shed tears for their fellow gang member (who was really a great guy… every other gang member loved him).
so the kid, unarmed, was shot in the back because he didn’t submit?
The kid was armed and pointing it at the cops.
But he also wasn’t shooting at them, he was running away. In that scenario, you don’t shoot him, because even if he starts shooting he ain’t gonna hit shit.
Police claim “kid was armed and pointing it at the cops.” Cops are famous for making up bullshit to justify their murders after the fact.
Even if that was true, though, it doesn’t justify it.
True, but cops think it does.
Idk “he was aiming a gun at me” is a pretty good reason to shoot back imo. Now whether or not he was actually doing that is a different story
cops are trained to shout “he’s got a gun” after opening fire regardless because eyewitnesses won’t remember the order of events and back them up
I try to go to the gun range every two months or so. I can tell you, with adrenaline and panic, idk if I’d hit 50% and thats standing still. Which is scary because who knows what you’ll hit. That’s why I go to the range, to be good enough. Running I wouldn’t even bother shooting.
Cops are definitely not going to the range enough.
2019 Miramar shootout(the florida UPS shootout)
In 2024, important details were finally revealed, a total of 20 officers from 4 different agencies fired upwards of 221 bullets in a span of 25 seconds, Hill was struck 40 times, meanwhile Alexander shot himself, Ordonez was struck 12 times, and the 5 bullets that stayed in his body were all traced to police weapons, and Cutshaw was struck once in the back of the head, which was also traced back to police.
Four people were killed in the shootout. Both robbery suspects, Lamar Alexander, and Ronnie Jerome Hill, both 41, were killed by police. The hijacked UPS driver, Frank Ordonez, 27, and bystander Richard Cutshaw, 70, were also both killed in the shootout;[6] A female store employee was shot and wounded in the initial robbery.
Don’t state that as fact. It’s just what the cops have claimed so far, and they lie constantly
Never pull a gun if you arent prepared to use it.
I’m sorry, but you don’t think the police should shoot at him if he’s running because …… he will have bad aim? No, the second someone starts firing at police - or anyone for that matter - they should be put down.
His point was you don’t fire wildly when you don’t know what you’re aiming at. Cops routinely hurt other people because they don’t care about what’s in their field of Fire. Also very important to note no one said anything about anyone firing on the police. You’re adding that.
Read his comment again. He was talking about the suspect, not the police. His point was that the kid was running and as such his aim would have been terrible.
Apparently qualified immunity doesn’t make you immune to bumpers.
Make cops ground beef again
Wouldn’t they be ground pork?
PORK AND BEANS
This was a very confusing headline. It sounded like they were charging a dead person.
Bottom line is:
- 18 year old gets shot by police
- The father of the 18 year old hit and killed a deputy with his car later on.
Hopefully he got the one who killed his son?
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ACAB after all. Even if he didn’t fire, they enable and protect each others murder of civilians, and their pet dogs.
Dunno, they haven’t released the identity of the “victim” so we don’t know who the driver killed.
I’m not going to go so far as to condone this dad’s behavior, but I can definitely understand it. Police are never held accountable; what else is there to expect than the spread of vigilante violence if the law won’t give us justice?
Even if the deputy that was hit didn’t pull the trigger, they’re part of the institution that’s the problem. So the logic of the dad to target a deputy, even if they aren’t the one that shit his kid, makes sense in a way. I’m sure eventually we’ll know if this deputy was the one who killed the father’s 18 year old son.
Why can’t some headline writers use comas?
Father of, 18 year old fatally shot by Ohio police, charged with hitting and killing deputy, with car
Have you ever used a comma before
Yah. Just used it 3 times.
“Today I choose violence” punctuation edition.
That is arguably worse
Calm your shit Shatner
Going into a coma does not make you a better journalist, and neither does having a stroke
Headlines aren’t usually written by journalists.
Especially at big shops like this.And I hate golf.
Don’t call me Shirley!
Whoever taught you how to use commas needs their teaching license revoked because that is probably the worst attempted use of commas I’ve ever seen.
There is a whole part of journalism dedicated to writing headlines, and I can tell you it’s some of the most fucked up literally rules I have seen in my life.
This reminds me of that chapter in Flowers for Algernon.
Damn, I know everyone else said it too but honestly wtf is this travesty you’ve written. It’s an affront to the comma and maybe to punctuation everywhere. Hell, your “correction” might be an ungodly abomination born of the netherworld sent to break our poor brains.
That is not at all how you use commas. You’ve broken your clauses.
Father of 18 year old, fatally shot by Ohio police, charged with hitting and killing deputy with car.
That would be correct. Good ACT question lol.
While your certainly sounds better with the word choice in the headline, it doesn’t reflect the actual facts of events.
“Father of an 18 year old,” establishes the father as the subject, and the 18 year old as a specifying factor. So the the rest of the sentence states, it was the father who was “fatally shot by Ohio police” and “charged with hitting and killing deputy”. It’s still unclear if it was the father or the deputy who was “with car”.
Where as my commas separate the facts accurately. Their strangeness comes from the extremely poor word choice and order of facts in the headline.
“Father of,” establishes the father as the subject. “18 year old fatally shot by Ohio police,” is together a single specifier. “charged with hitting and killing deputy,” states what happened to the father. And finally “, with car” is what the father used, to hit and kill the deputy.
“Father of,” establishes the father as the subject. “18 year old fatally shot by Ohio police,”
No. The subject is the father yes, but you can’t cut off the “of” that way.
But using those words you’d have to, to establish that it isn’t actually the father who was shot, but the 18 year old.
The terrible use commas comes from the terrible word choice. Rewriting the entire sentence would be the best option.
- Bunch of fucking tweakers doing tweaker shit and the cops have to chase them.
edit: yeah, ACAB but you motherfuckers do know that there is a subset of people out there doing crimes like car theft and shit, right? The citizens in this case don’t seem to be all that upstanding.
One dead dude, one dead pig. Call it even?
Which is a valid reason to use lethal force?
Yes, for the father to use lethal force on the corrupt racist deputy is a totally valid reason.
If he had done in the cop that shot his son I’d be more inclined to agree. But he picked a rando. ACAB but not all of them deserve death because not all of them shoot people for little to no reason.
The guy should get off scott free due to Qualified Immunity. Just like the cops.
The cop was armed and was already known to shoot someone in the back, the father was afraid for his life and had to make a split second decision.
That cop was no angel
scott free
scot free
Hey, that cop just became a good cop.
Cops who shoot people who aren’t shooting at them and who haven’t been involved in a violent crime deserve to die too.
Our fucking country, where the life of a car is worth more than the life of a human. ACAB.
Huh? The kid stole a car and was fleeing and armed with a loaded gun.
Fleeing seems like the operative word in that sentence to me.
For clarities sake, there is body cam footage where it alleges he points the gun at the officer while fleeing.
Now I haven’t seen the footage that corroborates this and the footage I did see doesn’t back this statement up (nor does it exclude it, it’s from the POV of another officer)
However the dad apparently left viewing the body cam footage with their lawyer and then went and did this.
I’d expect the body cam footage to show anyone who isn’t a cop that he was running and had a gun in his possession and it likely doesn’t matter from the perspective of the cops if it was actually pointed at him or not.
Basically my bet is the body cam footage corroborates whichever side of the story your want it to.
The outcome of guns is shots fired and folks dead, unfortunately.
I’m not going to try and defend the police in general here. And I’m not going to defend the police involved with this or the kid or the dad. We do not know enough and there is waaaay too much misinformation being spread about this. Anyone who claims to know the “right” thing to do here is either naive or lying.
But, with all that being said. I am a CCW card holder and I do regularly carry as is my constitutional and legal (in my state) right to do so. I also did the whole CCW course (even though my state has constitutional carry laws), go shooting once or twice a month, and annually attend another CCW focused course hosted by a shooting range in partnership with the state sheriff.
But from what I’ve heard, the police started chasing the kid who pulled out a gun (a popular theory I’ve heard online was to dump the weapon). But in that scenario, I can see why the officers would have reacted the way they did. I was taught that if you have to pull a gun on someone the only two de-escalation paths available to you is either them laying face down on the ground, or you killing them. Yes, technically there are other ways, but in a very high stress scenario those things take time and if you pull a gun out you should be 1000000% committed to shooting whatever you have pointed it at.
Like you said, the only thing guns are good at is killing. And no matter how pro-2A and gun loving you are, that’s all they will ever be good for.
I don’t know. I guess this was a really long wall of text to say “we don’t know enough” and “don’t pull a gun out while running from the police”.
Fleeing doesn’t give you a free pass to be armed with a gun and aim said gun at police officers.
“FAFO”
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Carrying a gun while roaming the streets isn’t allowed everywhere, and neither is pointing them at people - especially police officers while they’re trying to detain you for stealing a car.
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Is stealing a car punishable by a death sentence?
No, but pointing a loaded gun at a police officer while stealing a car is.
Is possessing a firearm punishable by a death sentence?
No, but pointing a loaded gun at a police officer while stealing a car is.
cops are not judge jury and executioner
They are in certain situations though, typically ones where suspected criminals - especially ones caught in the act - point guns at them. Every time they are there will be an investigation to determine if it was a lawful shooting, and if it isn’t they will face consequences (though very often those consequences will NOT be harsh enough, but that’s a different story).
There is a thing called due process.
There’s a thing called obeying the law too, and this kid didn’t follow that. “Due process”, the flavour of the month for the left, believe it or not DOES include police shooting suspects to death in certain circumstances.
There is no proof the guy even had a gun.
You haven’t seen it, though it reportedly exists. We’ll see when the final reports come out.
The cop SAID he had one, and cops are well known for carrying around throw away guns, to plant on people after they have killed them.
Ok so you’ve jumped straight to “it’s a conspiracy”. Good for you, but the rest of us like to wait for actual evidence and “due process” to play out. It is currently being investigated. If it is proven that he did have a gun, what will you say then?
Supposedly. Are you aware of the allegations of planting evidence thrown at many, many police officers in the good ol’ US of A? It is a known issue and I’ll take a criminals word before a police officers.
It’s happened on camera many times with zero charges filed or consequences for the pigs planting their own truffles
So you just assume that every single piece of evidence is planted?
and I’ll take a criminals word before a police officers.
Oh ok, so no one should take anything you say seriously.
Certainly, nor you. Police officers lie by rote all the time. They are untrustworthy “witnesses” because they are always protecting their own interests and not telling the facts of the case.
Unlike criminals, right? Criminals are known as being honest and trustworthy and law abiding citizens.
Many of them just smoked some pot, or were at the wrong place at the wrong time. Such vile scum deserves as much respect as Mr. Shoot first and ask questions later.
And many murdered people, committed break and enters, stole property, sold drugs, raped people, etc. Many did it with guns too. You trust those people as being good upstanding honest citizens?
If people keep using cars as weapons, soon we’ll have to treat them like guns, and not regulate them in any meaningful way.
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In case anyone finds the headline confusing this is what happened in order
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Rodney Hinton the older hit a much beloved semi retired deputy who was directing traffic for a college graduation. He is accused of doing so intentionally but the motive isn’t specified. He was not accused of stealing a car nor did it have anything to do with any other specified crime. This is pending trial.
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Ryan Hinton, son of Rodney Hinton, was involved in a car theft. He and 3 others were caught in said car and scattered in 4 different directions when police made contact.
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During the chase police shot and killed Ryan whom they allege had a gun on him. Indeed a gun was recovered. Purported to be in possession of the young man who was shot.That said the body cam footage is alleged to show another officer yelling about a gun rather than the gun itself from the vantage point of the officer.
Questions:
Is Rodney guilty of killing the deputy on purpose? If so why? Was it instead an accident?
Did the officer that shot the boy know he was the son of Rodney?
Why did Rodney pull out a gun but not fire it?
Is there further evidence showing the history of the particular gun? Fingerprints on the gun? Body cam footage from the other officer that more clearly establishes the gun in the hand of Rodney?
That is not correct. The events, as alleged, before someone jumps down my throat:
- Ryan steals a car
- Cops try to arrest Ryan
- Ryan flees, cops shoot Ryan
- Ryan’s dad Rodney hits and kills an unrelated cop with his car
That would make more sense but did you pull up two dated stories of the events and confirm that is the proper order?
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Destroy the Pigs.
Charged him with what? Dining on a succulent meal of revenge?
While I am not defending Rodney, who is has not been found guilty of the charges, I cannot tell you what I would do if my child was taken from me.
I have a spouse and multiple kids. I have parents who still live. I have siblings. Intellectually, I think I would not murder my child’s murderer and inflict extra harm on my family through my actions… but that situation hasn’t happened and I have no clue how I would actually react. Right now, my blood is boiling just contemplating it, though.
If I were a single parent of one child, and that child was killed, then I would turn into fucking Liam Neeson without hesitation.
edit: I finished reading the article after posting this. It’s not clear that the officer Rodney struck was the same officer who shot Rodney’s son, and seems to be unrelated from the wording. I feel for Deputy Henderson’s family, and hope he wasn’t an innocent who happened to be wearing the same uniform.
Police in the US regularly choose to escalate, and our politicians choose to keep firearms available. All these deaths are on Congress.
