The rank stench of cowardice emanates from the rotting husk of the liberal body politic as it stumbles around, diseased and dying.
I mean she is really trying to do something and most liberals don’t do anything but talk. Its not so much abandonment but they are left behind.
Liberals are just capitalists with more steps.
They stopped caring when she stopped being a cute kid to show off caring about the world like a trophy of having “The youngest woke person” as if she was unique for being scared about the world her parents were peaving her.
Liberals: not fun or a trophy for me, not worth doing.
She was never cute. She rode the 'tism wave, now she bit of more than she can chew and the 'tism ain’t cute anymore. Nobody will care about the Palestinians as long as they’re brainwashed by anti immigration politics. Nobody will care about Palestine or Greta until they have to. And they don’t have to. The climate will affect us all. Israel and Palestine will affect Palestine. It sucks but it’s true.
If you think Israel only affects Palestine, if you think any of what you typed is true… it sucks but you’re dumb.
Never said any of that. But ok, genius.
Liberals have abandoned the working class and humanity’s future a long time ago. Would I vote for one it meant a fascist loses a seat? Absolutely. But action cannot stop at the voting booth.
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Only a Zionist would label it such.
If you say so.
It’s pretty rare to meet a Zionist or a MAGA on Lemmy. Welcome! You might not like it here.
I’m from Germany and no MAGA and that may make a difference here (due to our experiences with antisemitism during Nazism era and WWII. I do disagree with the political actions of Netanyahu and his rightwing allies. But I also see the Hamas as a terrorist organisation and don’t deny Israel the right to exist either. I am against cruelties (yes, from Israel too) but I would stand up to speak for Israels right to exist and for the deconstruction of the Hamas.
PS What I appreciate though: we disagree — strongly I assume — on this topic. Yet neither of us has threatened the other or wished one another ill. This indeed is Lemmy and a big difference to Xitter and the other commercial platforms. Thank you for that (and the welcome, even though the latter might be meant rather ironically I’m afraid). Therefor a honest: “have a nice day 🙂” from me, if allowed.
What does “israel’s right to exist” mean to you? Would equal political, civil and human rights for all the people living under Israeli law negate this right?
Also, does Palestine have a right to exist? Like as a fully independent nation with full sovereignty? And with an equal right to a military and an equal right to militarily intervene in neighbouring countries’ affairs as Israel? (Equal meaning as much or as little.)
Finally, are the terrorist Zionist militias that formed the seed of the IDF (Irgun, Lehi, Haganah,…) as condemnable as Hamas, the PFLP, etc?
Basically, is it the case that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander? I want to make sure I’m not talking to a Jewish-supremacist racist here. Am I?
What does “israel’s right to exist” mean to you?
A place in the world, where jews can live without fear for their lives, just because they’re jews.
Would equal political, civil and human rights for all the people living under Israeli law negate this right?
Nope! I would wish for that.
Also, does Palestine have a right to exist?
Absolutely!
Like as a fully independent nation with full sovereignty?
Whilst granting equal political, civil and human rights for all the people living under Palestinian law … including any jews? Yes!
And with an equal right to a military and an equal right to militarily intervene in neighbouring countries’ affairs as Israel? (Equal meaning as much or as little.)
If they, in a believable way guarantee beforehand, that they don’t wish to eliminate another group or state, just cause it exists? And believably ban warcrimes (as I would expect from Israel as well)? Yes.
Finally, are the terrorist Zionist militias that formed the seed of the IDF (Irgun, Lehi, Haganah,…) as condemnable as Hamas, the PFLP, etc?
Where warcrimes has happened (which should be checked after the war from a disinterested 3rd party, they should be judged fairly in any case, yes.
Basically, is it the case that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander?
I do not understand this phrase, sorry (non-native speaker).
I want to make sure I’m not talking to a Jewish-supremacist racist here. Am I?
Four Answers:
- As I said … I stand for the right of the state of Israel to exist and remain (not to illegally grow through illegal settlements - illegal by Israeli laws as well by the way) and for their right to defend theirselves (and there are Israeli as far as I understand, who damn this ongoing war as well).
- I want to make sure, that I’m not talking to a live-streamed murders and rapes and decapitations etc. celebrated having Hamas-terrorist here. Am I? (I can ask rather provoking questions too … only that my might have a higher chance to be deleted here.)
- I’m neither Jewish nor Israeli.
- You tell. Would such a person hope for …! Two boys, backs to the viewer and arm in arm. One’s wearing a kippah, the other a keffiyeh.
I am not going to comment on anything we’re agreed on. I’m just happy there are many of those :)
For the rest, let’s take it from the top. The expression “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander” means no double standards. If we say a thing for one side, the same applies for the other. If Israelis have a right to X, the Palestinians have the right to X too. If a Palestinian right to Y may be curtailed, the same applies to the Israeli right to Y.
Like as a fully independent nation with full sovereignty?
Whilst granting equal political, civil and human rights for all the people living under Palestinian law … including any jews? Yes!
Here’s the first point of divergence. Israeli sovereignty is NOT contingent on any of those things. If Israel has the right to be fully sovereign NOW regardless of how it systematically mistreats the non-Jewish population under its control, the same applies to Palestine. Of course if Palestine turned out to be an oppressive shitshow, we’d take the side of the oppressed against oppressors. But national self determination CANNOT be contingent on anything, it is in fact the prerequisite for everything.
And with an equal right to a military and an equal right to militarily intervene in neighbouring countries’ affairs as Israel? (Equal meaning as much or as little.)
If they, in a believable way guarantee beforehand, that they don’t wish to eliminate another group or state, just cause it exists? And believably ban warcrimes (as I would expect from Israel as well)? Yes.
Same principle as before. Any limit you will impose on Palestine MUST be applicable to Israel. And in fact, it is even more applicable to Israel, since Israel has already committed ethnic cleansing (Nakba) and genocide (Gaza). Anything that can be alleged of the Palestinians as a potential future intent, Israel is already guilty of. October 7th style massacres included..
- As I said … I stand for the right of the state of Israel to exist and remain (not to illegally grow through illegal settlements - illegal by Israeli laws as well by the way) and for their right to defend theirselves (and there are Israeli as far as I understand, who damn this ongoing war as well).
The illegality of settlements is a veil. Israel has systematically increased the settlements the last 30 years. This might not make sense to a German who thinks rules exist to be obeyed; welcome to the Mediterranean.
- I want to make sure, that I’m not talking to a live-streamed murders and rapes and decapitations etc. celebrated having Hamas-terrorist here. Am I? (I can ask rather provoking questions too … only that my might have a higher chance to be deleted here.)
Hamas crimes against civilians and against IDF soldiers who surrendered to it, and this includes abduction, are horrific and despicable war crimes. No ifs, no buts. Their attacks on active duty IDF personnel engaged in enforcing an illegal occupation are legitimate resistance enshrined in international law.
which should be checked after the war
These groups were determined universally to be terrorists decades ago!
Why did your experiences with the Nazi era not also teach you that an ethnostate illegally occupying and annexing territory for Lebensraum is bad, actually?
deafening silence
Hey @Isa@feddit.org , where’s your response?
A German supporting genocide. That tracks.
Did he? Where precisely did he that?
Why are you speaking in third person?
But I also see the Hamas as a terrorist organisation and don’t deny Israel the right to exist either.
I don’t see Hamas as a terrorist organization, and I do deny the state of Israel’s right to exist or defend itself. Palestinians have the right under UN law to struggle against their occupiers by any means necessary, including armed struggle, while the State of Israel, as an occupier, has no right to “self defense.”
I’m from Germany […] and that may make a difference here (due to our experiences with antisemitism during Nazism era and WWII.
It does make a difference, just not in the way you were taught. Philosophy professor Hans-Georg Moeller: Guilt Pride: A German Vanity Project Conquering the World
I don’t see Hamas as a terrorist organization, and I do deny the state of Israel’s right to exist or defend itself.
Then I’d rather end the communication with you at this point.
Of course you would; you’re a fascist who can’t deal with disagreement
⬆️Meme expert (without arguments though).
I wasn’t trying to argue with your Zionist ass.
That PS warrants an upvote.
Zionism is antisemitic.
Are we returning the US, Canada and Mexico (just to start with) back to the native Americans soon?
So, today you get to hear about the #LandBack movement! Enjoy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Back
Decolonization is a real intellectual and political movement in the western hemisphere. Real cracks have already taken place, such as in Bolivia.
In fact a lot of younger American Jews are turning against Israeli apartheid precisely because they see it for the settler colonial project that it is and they have a very clear reference about what it entails.
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Rascist colonialists can’t help but project their own brutality on to their victims
If you say so.
Lol fuck you Nazi
Out of curiosity what’s wrong with feddit? (I do not keep track of inter-instance politics/reputation besides hexbear and grad being the tankie hellhole, this is a genuine question from lack of knowledge)
German server and as Zionist as the German reputation suggests.
