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I would depart Barcelona too.
I don’t get the criticism. They either get the food through or the press following her is going to film the Israeli navy blocking the food from entering the shore.
There has never been any hope that they’d get the food through. This is all about showing people that Israel are willing to arrest and deport them.
My main critisism is that it isn’t going to change anything because:
- No country is going to allow people who aren’t refugees to illegally enter their territory like this. Israel arresting these people and deporting them isn’t new. So Israel doing something every other country would do is a non-story.
- This isn’t going to convince anyone who has agreed with Israel’s action up to this point because, they already tried it before, and denying aid to palestinians is not their worst crime. Anyone who could be swayed by this action, was swayed more than a year ago, when it was crystal clear Israel was purposely murdering civillians.
So to me, this comes off as an attempt to get media attention, with a happening that does nothing to help the people they really want to help, changing no ones mind, and all without actually being anything but a slight inconvenience to Israel, making their coastguards take a slight detour to arrest a few people.
Sure, it’s more than I’ve done, and more than I care to do, and I’m sure a lot of people are going to be very angry, because I don’t think this will matter in the slightest. I’m sympathetic to their course, but this just reeks too much of a bunch of privilaged kids, wanting to make a name for themselves, so they load a boat up with food, alcohol and weed, have a bunch of fun on the way, get sent home when they reach their destination, and hope they get to talk to the media.
The flotilla is not sailing to Israeli territory. They are sailing to Gaza, which is under an illegal military occupation.
Not even the Israeli government claims Gaza as Israeli territory (yet). The government is trying to ethnically cleanse the Gaza strip so they can flood it with settlements, establishing facts on the ground for an eventual annexation.
That’s why the flotilla is trying to bring food and medical aid to Gaza.
Sure, they don’t see it as their territory, they see it as their soon-to-be territory.
As someone living in Gaza, seeing this support from around the world truly gives us hope. Thank you
Sending well wishes and hoping you are safe.
People say it’s a publicity stunt. Well so what. Greta knows if she goes, cameras and reporters will follow. It’s the same thing Lady Diana did when traveling to 3rd world nations…she knew that she alone wouldn’t make a difference, but the cameras and reporters that follow her would.
Greta is doing what most of us only discuss…helping. and if she helps by keeping Isreal’s hypocrisy in the news, then she wins.
palestine can free themselves by making peace with israel
Hard to say its a publicity stunt when it isn’t the first time she’s doing it.
They one who says that are troll because it is not a Publicity stunt when you are going to the door steps of a fascist military organization that have no regards of any human life “including their own” and will not hesitate shooting you down or imprisoned you for unknown time.
People say it’s a publicity stunt.
Shortly before the IDF bombs another Reuters photojournalist team, sure.
and if she helps by keeping Isreal’s hypocrisy in the news, then she wins.
If she really wanted to help, she’d be campaigning for Kamala Harris for President.
That’s what I’m told Palestinians actually want.
Is this a shitpost? She’s not even from the USA why would she be involved with campaigning for the democrats and either way if you think a democrat president would stop helping Israel then you must have missed all the previous presidents who supported Iseral.
Say /s right now
Well she did win so
Sarcasm died the day that damned shorthand was invented.
Contextually, almost no one on this site assumes sarcasm first.
Their loss
She’s a Swedish citizen. Are you suggesting that Kamala needs to become the prime minister of Sweden?
Oh boy! I’m prepared before reading the comments this time around!
Ah shit here we go again. What’s ironic is that the Zionazis could get an easy PR win by letting them in to distribute aid but that would interfere with their long term extermination goals.
Zionazis could get an easy PR win
In liberal corners of the United States and Europe, maybe. But in Israel this would be viewed as a humiliation and a defeat.
it would also interfere with their immediate goal of openly being cartoonishly evil.
Complete with lightning strike whenever they make a proclamation?
An easy PR win by letting them enter a war zone? You can only lose by doing that. For an easy PR win, they could just let the trucks enter Gaza.
I give it a 30% chance that Israel military kills them and blames Hamas, a 60% chance that Hamas kills them and blames it on Israel… And a 10% chance of surviving…
You can only lose by doing that.
You’re not wrong. As soon as they let in one group of foreign aid workers, others follow. And then you run the risk of people ending the engineered famine.
Sort of defeats the point of doing a genocide if outsiders can just feed the people you’re trying to starve to death.
a 60% chance that Hamas kills them
I swear to God, the average Zionist’s understanding of a Palestinian is somewhere between Ayatollah Khomemi and The Terminator.
They’ve got no food, but they still have anti-ship missiles?
Killer robots don’t need to eat.
I think, the average view on a starving Palestinian and a proud member of Hamas or Islamic Dschihad differs. And above, I talked about “Hamas”, not about random people suffering in Gaza.
I talked about “Hamas”, not about random people
There is no difference between the two in the eyes of the Lavender AI.
If you’re baited into opposing “Hamas”, it is only a matter of time before you’re defending an airstrike on a hospital or the IDF gang rape of a general surgeon.
If you’re baited into opposing “Hamas”
I kind of got baited into opposing Hamas by… Let me check… Ahm… by Hamas!
That does not mean that I’m not also opposing Netanyahu and his far right assholes.
Both sides have terrible governments.
Both sides
Where is the Palestinian government in Gaza? Name one living state official in the territory.
I don’t exactly understand the question. Hamas is the de facto government since 2007.
If you want to, we can use a different word like “leaders” or “rulers” or “dictators” or “those in power”, if the word “government” does fit…
Or do you want to question whether Hamas still holds the power in Gaza?
“War zone” is an interesting thing to call the world’s largest death camp.
“60% chance Hamas kills them” lol sure, whatever islamaphobic fantasies get you off pal.
Calling me islamophobic because I’m not a fan of Hamas or “Islamic Dschihad” is as intelligent as calling someone antisemitic because they criticize the Israel government…
Oh no you misunderstand. Despite the IDF having an extremely larger kill count, not to mention a proclivity to kill aid workers and even their own citizens through the hannibal directive, you still stated Hamas was more likely to kill Greta. Despite the fact Hamas does not have a history of killing aid workers or Pro-Palestinian activists (that would be counter intuitive as the elected party of Gaza). The only reason you would rate them higher is because you, like most in the West have been propagandized to demonize Muslims, especially ones who take up arms to defend from invaders. So yeah, you’re islamophobic and should kindly fuck off.
The only reason you would rate them higher is because you, like most in the West have been propagandized to demonize Muslims
Wow… I’m talking about Hamas terrorists and do not even mention a religion, but your brain seems to really really really want to connect that to regular Muslims… Why??? Can we please stop acting like Hamas/Islamic Dschihad and average Muslims are the same??? Please??? Doing that seems to actually be islamophobic…
especially ones who take up arms to defend from invaders
If we are talking about Hamas, we are talking about those how also kind of caused the invasion… And yes, I know, the conflict did not start 2 years ago. It kind of started with the Balfour Declaration.
“They caused the invasion but also this started with the Balfour Declaration” ok so you’re just full of shit. You know damn well that Israel has been the aggressor since the beginning and you still blame Hamas for this genocide. That “terrorist organization” along with the other Axis of Resistance “terrorists” are the only ones actually fighting the IOF. But sure, pin the blame on Muslims defending their country instead of the terrorist state of Israel that has been doing ethnic cleansing since its very founding.
They caused the invasion but also this started with the Balfour Declaration
Yes, it’s more complicated than you seem to understand.
There was a recent cause for the current escalation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks
But the whole conflict lasts longer.
If you want, I could ask ChatGPT to simplify that for you.
This is the third time she’s done this but for some reason this time she only has a 10% chance of survival?
If they let her in… She never went in.
I thought, that was kind of obvious…
I give it a 30% chance that Israel military kills them and blames Hamas, a 60% chance that Hamas kills them and blames it on Israel… And a 10% chance of surviving…
They’ve been doing this May and I don’t think anyone has died/gone “missing” in the Flotillas yet. Israel doesn’t want the PR win, they usually use the opportunity of the news media’s attention being turned to the Flotillas to launch some extra drone strikes in Gaza. Murdering Palestinians is much more important to them.
An easy PR win is letting the trucks in.
Letting opposing, famous people (who would of course also take and share pictures from the war reality) enter the war zone without anyone getting hurt or killed by anyone else (with Israel military, Hamas and Islamic Dschihad involved) is probably the most complicated PR win ever…
Apart from that, it of course lets the question come up “Why is Greta allowed to enter, but not actual help organizations?”. And it seems that they don’t want such a precedent, because otherwise, they could easily allow the trucks to pass.
Oh no, I 100% agree with everything you’ve said here.
My point was 1) the flotillas have been happening for a few months now and has gotten more people sympathetic to the situation (Greta for example live-streamed being boarded and captured by the IDF in…June I think?) and 2) The IDF don’t WANT the easy PR win. They want Gaza empty.
I actually wonder why they haven’t blocked telecom coming in and out. Everyone would still kinda know they’re doing a genocide, but it would be harder to visually cover, and they might be able to hide details.
Doesn’t really matter when anyone can just go on Google Maps and see nearly every single building in Gaza has been destroyed
Pretty impressive that they had Hamas in each of these buildings, eh?
Obligatory fuck Israel.
Oh, it matters. You think most people are going to look on Google Maps themselves?
Quick, gut-punching visuals and stupid soundbites are the name of the game in public opinion. Even if news agencies were to show this map, it’s way more abstract and remote. The impact wouldn’t be the same as a starving, swollen baby.
free Palestine from the river to the sea ♥️🖤💚🤍
Ahh so this is that Greta van Fleet I been hearing about.
The same thing will happen as last time. Gaza needs food though.
Four Italian politicians are on one of the ships this time. The secretary of the main Italian opposition asked the government to take a stand about their safety. Dock workers in Genoa said that if something happens to the ships they will bring down logistics and shipping throughout Europe.
It’s 50 ships this time
blockade stops 50 ships just as easily, these are not blockade running ships.
That makes a bigger headline, and shows more and more people care about the Palestinian people.
Is there a downside here? Why are people upset by this concept?
Just because powerful bullies are unlikely to lose, doesn’t mean it’s not worth defying them.
everyone knows these ships arnt getting through, this is just a waste of supplies begging for attention.
You think that means one or two might slip through?
European powers ignoring high sea piracy in the Mediterranean and pretending it’s not there.
why is it called a floatilla
Not trying to be a smart ass but what do u suggest it’s be called? A convoy? Maybe a fleet?
Boat. It’s a fucking boat.
Haaa…there’s MANY boats mate. Not sure how you missed that. Dozens. What would you call a group of boats? I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t call it a boat of boats.
What would you call a group of boats?
I’m being told by the IDF that a group of boats carrying food and medical aid is called a “publicity stunt”.
I’m also being told it’s Hamas.
Yea original comment is funny. Definition of flotilla is a group of boats with a purpose. Not sure what else they would be calling it.
Es flutas mi amigo.
I’m mobile and can’t verify anything, but if you trust a goggle AI Overview then here you go.
The word “flotilla” originates from the Spanish word flotilla, a diminutive form of flota meaning “fleet”. This, in turn, came from Old French floter and ultimately Germanic roots, like Old Norse floti (“raft, fleet”) and Old English flota (“ship” or “fleet”), which are ancestors of the English word “float”. The English term “flotilla” was adopted in 1711 and refers to a small fleet, especially of small naval vessels like destroyers or submarines. Here’s a breakdown of the word’s origin: Spanish: Flotilla (diminutive of flota, meaning “fleet”). Old French: Floter (“to float, set afloat”). Germanic: Old Norse floti (“raft, fleet”) and Old English flota (“ship, fleet”). Indo-European: Traced back to the root pleu- (“to flow”). The English word “flotilla” was first recorded in 1711.
Ahh dang! So close. I guessed 16th century.
Hey you were closer than me, I would have guessed closer to Roman times since it hits me as a Latin origin.
I guess it’s enough boats to make a floating villa? There’s something in there that I’m sure a 16th century language historian could figure out.
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Because she floats.
They are right about the haircut though.
That being said, genocide through purposeful mass starvation is quite possibly the most heinous crime that exists. God bless anyone does anything at all to fight against it
I actually like it, she wears it well.
Who? What did they say about it
She was in Norway like a week ago. Woman’s busy.
She would be better of protesting in Saudi Arabia or stopping some russian shadow fleet ships before supplying the Russian war machine.
We got the Temu version of a radical protestant instead.
???
Why would that be better? I’m interested to hear how you think that would be more effective and within her “power”.
Are the words you wrote supposed to be coherent?
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I’ll say it. Gretta is a pawn in a fake game of chess
- Pawn are very important piece in chess, most of the time you lose one you lose the game.
- Pawn becomes any other piece when it reach its destination including a Queen.
- that is a lame comment that makes no sense.
Pawns are the first pieces to be sacrificed in a game of chess. How deep did you go to pull out this comment?
Maybe the first to loose a pawn in game are statisticaly more prone to loosing. But that’s will be Tue reason of being the worse players not that the piece in itself is so important.
I’ll say it
Ok, but you shouldn’t
We all are. And if you aren’t they make you suffer.
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Um, no. None of that is true.
“The J’s”.
Yeah, we can tell who you are here. You sound like an antisemite if you’re going with that approach.
Not all Jewish people in the world are for this genocide. Israel is commiting this atrocity, not every Jewish person.
Bro, shut up, he’s not lying
But a majority of Israeli’s and their cousin’s support this genocide. Or Bibi wouldn’t be so influential in their culture.
I can’t say the J word because people get upset. I’m a genetic J btw. I live inside of this hate bubble. Encircled by people who preach death to Islam at all costs. And I didn’t come out hating people. I just dislike all religions of all forms. They are simply a death cult. All of them.
Jewish?
Jesus fucking christ dude grow a spine. Israeli govt, religious fanatics (literally any religion suffers from this btw), and obscenely rich fuckwads are the problem. Shit just happened to occur in a Jewish country. Has absolutely nothing to do with “the Jews” you fucking retard.
I’m not saying “The Jews”. I’m saying that a majority of the Jewish community supports this genocide. As I have witnessed for decades in my own family and culture.
A recent YouTuber was flown around Gaza and now is a mouth piece for the IDF. Because they showed him how a small minority of Gaza’s were working with Hamas planning the October 20th murders. He now thinks because a few people gave intel to Hamas. That Israel is ok to do what they are doing.
It’s insane the amount of psychological warfare going on and people can’t see through the bullshit.
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