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Then. Do. Something. About. It.
What is she not doing about it that she should be?
From my perspective, she’s one of the few politicians acting appropriately
It’s funny how conservatives say they like trump because he says what’s on his mind, and doesn’t hold back. But when AOC posts stuff like this, they freak out and call her mean
No no, they like Trump because he says what is on their mind.
I say this a lot but the conservative worldview really boils down to “my group is good and yours is bad”. That’s it. Thus when a conservative does something, it’s cool, because they’re good. When someone else does the same thing, it’s bad because they are bad.
You can’t argue with this. It’s like if you’re making a math proof and someone tells you it’s wrong because you’re wearing a green shirt. The color of your shirt has nothing to do with this geometry. The hypocrisy has nothing to do with their value system.
I knew we were cooked when conservatives stopped being willing to talk policy and always default back to politicians.
That’s what happens when you take a conservative at face value. The reality is they freak out because she’s a woman and a “socialist” (at least in their minds). It has nothing to do with what they’re actually saying. It’s what they represent in the power hierarchy. A lot of conservatives can’t handle being below a woman.
what’s happening now is what happens after years and years of “we need to acknowledge/respect their viewpoint” and “you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar” and other various “stop being mean to the nazis” shit
as evidenced by the reactions to couchfucker and taco etc, the only thing that does anything (however little) with bigoted fascist narcissists is shaming them with mockery and ridicule. too late now though. they will be murdering protesters soon. in the name of “protecting” them, or “freedom” or some other absolute bullshit
and “you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar”
Liberals need to ask why the fuck their leaders are so keen on catching fascist flies, but so nakedly hostile to LGBTQ / Muslim / College Debtor / Migrant Laborer / M4A voters.
Because America is mostly a bunch of shit-eating flies and you don’t win elections without them.
Because people are terrible.
Flies prefer the stinkiest turd.
Weird, I keep hearing that the dems lost because of progressives and leftists sitting out over Gaza. But I guess the libs would rather lose and fail again at trying to get ‘centrists’ than appease that apparently pivotal electoral bloc.
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I’m not sure why they’re supposed to cater to Muslims when they are just as homophobic and dictator hungry as Christians.
I’d never support someone who forces women to cover themselves in some sort of bizarre rapist apologist costume
But the rest I agree with for sure
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Since we’re here and people can’t understand what I’m saying.
Islam is an explicitly homophobic and sexist religion. It is the same with Christianity.
I know good Muslims, and I know good Christians who disdain those ideals. However, both religions are explicitly homophobic and sexist.
It’s not up for fucking debate, its not up for argument.
Their books describe in explicit detail that homosexuality is against God’s moral code. Every Bible printed, every Qur’an printed, contains text that is word for word against homosexuality.
So fuck off with this shit. It’s not antisemitic to criticize Israel, in the same way its not racist to criticize Islam.
Islam is fundamentally and explicitally homophobic and sexist, end of fucking discussion. Go fuck your self, you stupid fucking religious idiot, if you think otherwise.
Edit2: id like to add this since Islam is so fragile.
Mohammed is a literal pedophile. Your book explicitly describes it.
Go fuck yourselves you literal pedophile apologists.
Iraq, 1960, before US operations in the region during the Cold War:
Muslim extremism is a direct result of US intervention in the Middle East to use countries in the region to fight a proxy war against the spread of communism. The CIA had a years-long operation where they literally air-dropped extremist Muslim propaganda into the region to radicalize the population.
We destroyed the largest democracy in the region and installed a dictator at the behest of British Petroleum (BP) because they elected a man who was going to kick them out and nationalize the industry due to the horrible pay and working conditions they forced on the country. Al-Qaeda started as CIA-backed resistance fighters known as the Mujahideen. The list of issues created by European and American meddling in the region is miles long - neo-colonialism at work.
https://youtube.com/shorts/KGfLOXfhxn8
This is a majority Muslim town in the United States that made flying the rainbow flag illegal.
I will never support religious zealots.
At no point has the qur’an ever, ever, ever been supportive of lgbt rights.
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I will also say I have sympathy for the entirety of the Middle East and the Arabic people regarding their political situation due to western meddling. Nobody deserves that bullshit.
It doesn’t change the fact that the Islamic faith is explicitly homophobic.
Islam /= Middle Easterners.
Fuck Islam.
And the only time the Bible ever made mention of LGBT people is if you go all the way back to the Latin text where one of the people that Jesus healed was a soldier’s slave where the word used was a type of male slave the Romans usually kept for sex.
And as far as I know, the Torah makes no mention of LGBT people either, but Hebrew supposedly has pronouns specifically for FTM people that expressly recognizes them as men trapped in the bodies of women.
When all this stuff was written, LGBT people were simply a fact of life that nobody thought needed defending because the two genders bigotry and homophobia came later as a package deal with the spread of European Christianity (and the problems with Islamic culture are the direct result of the US spreading radical Muslim propaganda, as mentioned before - it was exported out of the Middle East). It’s not the religion itself that’s the problem, but the people who use it as a shield for their hatred. Bigots will be bigots, and religion is just an excuse that they can twist to justify their actions. India has been having trouble for years with Buddhist extremists who are just as bad as the worst of the crazies in the US, and Buddhism is probably the most peaceful religion in the world.
It’s like the 2nd Amendment and the US Constitution - old documents created in a different time with different problems being reinterpreted to justify modern hatred.
You can walk and chew gum at the same time. Denounce misogyny and homophobia as well as the anti-Arab racism and Islamophobia that was purposely stirred up by neocons after 9/11 to inflame jingoism and support for imperialism.
Islam is inherently a misogynist religion.
Liberals shouldn’t support sexism or pedophilia.
Islam is not a monolithic platonic form, it’s the ideas of the people who call themselves Muslim. As people they deserve to be free from bigotry based on their innate characteristics. If you only allow for groups to be uplifted if they’re perfect and free from sin, you will always be able to find fault and reason to continue oppression.
You just made my argument for me.
I am gay, Islam hates me while worshipping a literal pedophile.
Religion isn’t an innate characteristic. No one is born Muslim.
But guess how I was born?
Do you think I’m homophobic? You’re not making an argument, you’re just brandishing Islamophobia as if it will accomplish something.
Islam is not a monolithic platonic form,
How about American Christianity or Orthodox Judaism?
Whether we’re talking about 4,000,000 people, 224,000,000 people or 1,928,000,000 people no religion is a monolith.
I’m not sure why they’re supposed to cater to Muslims
Because they’re human beings who live in your country and deserve all the same respect and dignity of non-Muslims.
I’d never support someone who forces women to cover themselves
Fortunately, you don’t have to force anyone to do that to cater to Muslims. You just need to hold off on the impulse to harass and brutalize them for having a different flavor of “Trad Wife” conservative culture than Christians and Jews, whom we appear to have no trouble pandering towards.
It’s for the same reason we don’t criminalize being a Hasidic Jew or an Orthodox Mormon or a family member of Opus Dei. Snatching someone off the street and throwing them into ICE blacksites does not become laudable because the religious sect is primarily composed of Africans and Arabs.
Nothing I said implied the criminalization of their religion. I respect everyone’s freedom of religion…
But guess what majority Muslim countries do to gays?
Spoiler alert: its not fucking great.
Catering = capitulation
This is a reactionary talking point used to discriminate against minorities.
Islam has no respect for me.
I will have no respect for Islam.
Respect is earned.
Begging liberals to stop stereotyping muslims and spreading islamophobia.
As a christian who grew up in Turkey I can personally attest to the existence of many differing opinions ranging from the complete chud to the open minded. Just like with every other religion or really any group of people. Also there are a lot of gay muslims, I don’t know why people make this either-or distinction, a person can be more than one thing.
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How many countries with a majority Muslim population allow gay marriage?
Edit: seems like this is a touchy subject.
Do you want acceptance or do you want religion?
Seems like a tough choice among fake leftists.
And those countries are a true representation of the people? How many peoples democracies are in the middle east? And why are there so little, who keeps providing the initial armaments for groups like ISIL, Al-qaeda the taliban and so on? Must be the most homophobic country on earth! Another fun fact, a lot if not all, the homophobic sentiment got exported during british or french colonisation.
As for “acceptance or religion”:
Mohammed is a pedophile and Islam explicitly tries to prevent my existence.
Fuck Islam.
Middle Easterners deserve every bit of my sympathy for being unintentionally associated with that bullshit by racist fuckers.
Middle Easterners deserve every bit of my sympathy
Jesus fuck talk about western chauvinism
for being unintentionally associated with that bullshit
Guess how many MidDle EasTerneRs are muslim? Also what about north africans? Central and south east asian people? Do you know how LARGE a group muslims are? That statistically there must be 100s of millions of gay muslims?? Quit with this Muslim=arab=Middle easterner=“cishet brown person in a police state” bullshit, its racist.
After years of “we’re the real patriots”… Still saying it.
Nationalism is a primary foundation of fascism.
the only thing that does anything (however little) with bigoted fascist narcissists is shaming them with mockery and ridicule
“But they will just their heels in harder, so we can’t do anything at all!”
Destroy Nazi’s yes, but there are way more people who are more like middle right who you can still talk and compromise with. It is not for nothing that countries like NL have so many parties that you can vote for. There is more than just left or right. There isn’t anything more than being a Nazi or a Nazi hater
Destroy Nazi’s yes, but there are way more people who are more like middle right who you can still talk and compromise with.
One of the more infuriating things the Reich wing media does is conflate those two groups as well… We go after actual Nazis and then Faux News two minutes hate prime time cries all night about how “the left are attacking YOU! they’re coming for YOU!”
it’s so goddamn absurd but the Magoos lap it up and beg for more…
We go after actual Nazis and then Faux News two minutes hate prime time cries all night about how “the left are attacking YOU! they’re coming for YOU!”
The far right media ecosystem has tens of billions of dollars in subsidies, in no small part thanks to the hundreds of billions of dollars in federal contracts that their sponsors are afforded.
Liberals periodically have the opportunity to cut these organizations off at the knees by defunding the massive privatization schemes that dominate the Federal Government - private prisons, military procurement, private rented real estate, SpaceX/Starlink, etc. But the folks who finally get into positions of power always think they can enrich themselves personally rather than risking their careers challenging Big Business financially.
Curiously, conservatives don’t seem to have this problem. They’ll butt heads with the business wing routinely, secure in their position thanks to Christian popularism and ethnic nativism. But because Liberals don’t value their base voters, they prefer to pander to Big Business. This is also why the lose big elections, pandering hard to financial supporters while scolding any reluctant popular voter for not Voting Blue No Matter Who.
A lot of people on the internet do that as well. “If you are not with me, you are against me”!
In the middle. Between Authoritarians and their nazi troops and poor people going to work or going to immigration hearings or their kids graduation.
Fuck those people. Fuck them with every cactus in the mojave desert. Useless cowardly fence sitting cunts to a man. We don’t need them. We don’t want them. They chose their side. It’s with the nazis. So fuck them too.
Edit - https://bsky.app/profile/iamthepaulina.bsky.social/post/3lrdi57lvok2y - This is what those cowards are supporting. Slavery.
Sorry that you don’t have an option to vote for more than left and right and I do. Not being acceptable for others (again don’t accept anything from the fucking nazi’s). Will not help solve the issue and just push those in the middle towards the right.
How exactly does mockery and ridicule help?
I’d rather put energy in the education of those who can still listen, and the next generation.
Because fascist popularity thrives on power, and ridicule disempowers them. It’s teenage “cool” vs “lame” politics.
You can cry about it being undignified or whatever, but it does work. See: teenagers.
I’m skeptical about how efficient that could be. Are you going to compete with how much content they are able to produce to ridicule it? I feel like there’s some Brandolini’s-like law at play here.
What should I see about teenagers? Last I heard, masculinism is growing among them.You have to compete with the content they produce regardless. Speaking of Brandolini’s law, it’s much, much less effort to ridicule something than it is to factually debunk it.
Last I heard, masculinism is growing among them.
Yeah, because… masculinism is “cool” and “anti-lame.” So it should be mocked.
It’s really not that hard to see. When conservatives rage against “woke pussies” or whatever, they’re clearly rejecting some kind of perceived weakness. So when you mock them, and you damage their perception of strength, yeah, they flop around like fish gasping for air.
You have to compete with the content they produce regardless.
No, you can educate people from the start so they are able to weed out information by themselves.
Isn’t it what you do? You are educated so you are able to detect the far right bullshit.
Or are you really watching a bigger amount of content that ridicule this view in order to counter its effect?I’m gonna be honest: you can’t. Education is dry, and dull, and boring, and exactly the kind of lame bullshit I’m talking about. Your strategy is the strategy of nerds and losers.
It’s not that it’s not worth doing. You are correct that education was my vaccine against the far right. But no one is listening. If you’re not drumming up energy, social momentum, no one is paying attention to you. Even people who agree with you are not really getting involved.
You need charisma. Mockery not only damages the rizz of your opponents, exposing them to be the rizzless, softboy soy-drinkers they always were, it also bolsters your own. It gets the crowd jumping and doing stadium waves and shit. I don’t know how else to say this, but people like displays of power. That is legit the only way fascists even win.
Long term, it would be great to educate these fickle-as-the-wind dipshits as I was, but that takes time. And, they have to already like you. If they don’t like you, they just won’t listen.
If you want to move populations, you need to wield the tools of social power. You cannot depend on the truth to do it for you.
Do you realize you are using similar arguments as the far right / masculinist by mentioning nerds, losers, mockery, charisma, soft boys, soy drinkers, display of power?
I said before I’m considering those who may still listen and the next generation. I know you can’t change the current maga-like with public education.
Are you twelve, or just really REALLY sheltered?
put energy in the education of those who can still listen, and the next generation
this strategy has catastrophically failed over the last 10 years, and here we are.
do what you will. i will continue to paint them as every bit as ridiculous, stupid, gullible, and wrong that they are.
fuck R voters.
let me guess “well, they definitely won’t vote D now!!”
yea. that whole “voting” thing is over with. welcome to fascism, and don’t forget to thank your racist inbred magahat neighbors for now endless opportunity to “educate” them while they laugh at you and throw everything you say out the window
Do it if you want to, but I feel like it mostly a feel good activity rather than something effective.
For me the only sustainable and worthy solution is massively reinvesting in public education. It’s the only way to lift a country’s average education equally.
solution is massively reinvesting in public education
this is true. but you’re conveniently skipping numerous steps required to even approach that point, not the least of which is destroying the GOP. this is not your grandpa’s or even your dad’s GOP. it’s fucking nazis, and the last semblance of any kind of humanity within it died with john mccain.
and as i’ve said before, and will never stop saying, AND has been repeatedly demonstrated by real world events-- “rational discussion” with these people does. not. work.
mockery. ridicule. point out in no uncertain terms how fucking ridiculous, stupid, gullible, hypocritical, evil, and cowardly they are.
btw, since you haven’t seemed to notice, within 6 months, they’ve already effectively wrecked education, both K-12 and higher ed. what’s left is right-wing propaganda indoctrination factories (actual indoctrination, not what they accused it of being before). science is in the trash.
what is it going to take to get rid of this insistence on “let’s sit down and talk with them” attitude? they’re already rounding up and deporting american citizens just for not being 100% white. when it’s martial law? curfews in every city? when their goons start murdering protesters en masse in the street?
Let us know how that works out in your alternate reality.
This is the time you decide whether the Civil War was just about about keeping the country united to maintain its power or whether it was about ending slavery (which it didn’t, but that’s another point). It’s clear that keeping the country together only helped maintain US power and influence internationally, because the assholes who rebelled to protect slavery have kept their agenda and are clearly in power now. It does not bode well when only the abuser is willing to stand up for themselves and their narcissism while the victim still thinks that if they are nice enough they will get anyone to see the error of their ways. Are democrats just willing to tolerate abuse? Is there nothing they would secede from, even a tyrant?
Right now, some GOP members are playing a charade of fighting the administration on side issues like Ukraine. Make no mistake, they are still complicit with a Trump admin, and midterms will be a charade as well.
lol you think Democrats lead the revolution.
My entire point was that they weren’t doing so …
They do their part.
Lol you didn’t pay attention in history
The law means nothing at this point
Yep, it’s now pure power. Power dictates what happens and what doesn’t.
Always has been.
True, but there was a layer of law below it. So there was at least some documented consistent process for which power was used for the most part. Now it’s pretty much anything goes.
thx ill add it
What is this in response to?
Trump gave a speech at Fort Bragg (renamed back to Bragg after a WWII paratrooper with the same last name as the original namesake, a confederate general). He complained about people flying flags for other countries. He also said that we have contempt for the flag, that anyone who burns one should go to jail for a year
Meanwhile flag code says that a flag which touches the ground should be burned and they proudly fly confederate and nazi flags
Flag code aside, people who deify the American flag over the rights and welfare of human beings should spend a year in jail.
Flags are just things. Burn ‘em, wave ‘em, tattoo them on your buttcheek. I don’t care. It’s not more important than the human beings being treated like garbage.
Thank you! Do you know what law she’s referring to them breaking? Her forceful delivery seems to imply something less mundane than flag code.
The first amendment allows burning the flag as a form of free speech, which makes jailing people for it unconstitutional
Flag code isnt law directly but more of a reccomendation, and many government institutions and organizatioms such as the Boy Scouts will follow flag code, but civilians arent required to
Yeah. Flag Code complaints get misused almost as much as HIPAA. Flag Code is not a law, it’s a set of recommendations on how to respectfully handle the flag. It’s really only enforced for military personnel, but it is recommended that civilians adhere to it.
Yes, burning a flag is proper disposal, but it should be done privately so not to be seen as a protest. If anyone really cares, Fire departments in the US will do proper flag disposal for free.
This is probably one of the most disrespectful things you can do to a flag though…
I mean at this point it’s easier to point out which laws they aren’t breaking.
But I’m guessing nationalizing National Guard troops, sending the military to LA, and/or rounding up brown people and putting them in jail with no due process.
Some kinda argument about flag worship.
You can’t fight fascism with fascism.
The pillars of patriotism in the US’s popular imagination are freedom and opportunity. It’s ridiculous to say that any invocation of patriotism is civil religion or fascism, especially when people like AOC are right to say that they’re the real patriots. Progressives need to reclaim the term because they actually do stand for the ideals that the American public thinks of when they think of patriotism. Meanwhile the GOP and power brokers at the top of the DNC are obviously enemies of the people who have embraced fascism, trample on constitutionally protected rights, and set up an economy that restricts people’s opportunity as much as possible. The contrast couldn’t be clearer and it needs to be addressed.
I gotta ask… why do you post this link in like every other comment?
It needs strong, compassionate, cooperative anarchism
She could have also mentioned bone spurs.
No one cares AOC
Anytime you say no one cares, it really means “I care very deeply and you’re hurting my feelings”
Some people obviously care. You obviously do.
I do. I care. Am I no one? Some people may think so.
At least I’m capable of using proper punctuation. There might be hope for me yet.
There is ZERO reason to repost bluesky content on lemmy.
Why?
Perhaps she should have a Mastodon account.
After her vote on the Take it Down act and seemingly no remorse, I will never take her seriously again.
She literally fell in line with party politics and lobbyist on a “think of the children” vote that is openly touted as ripe for abuse, Trump implied he’d abuse it, and victim advocate organizations tried to warn people.
I like what a New York City politician said.
“If you agree with me 51% of the time, you should vote for me. If you agree with me 100% of the time, seek a psychiatrist.”
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Reason 1433544 the left will never win.
One GD thing and this is how you act. The response to this about agreeing 51% of the time is nail on the head. It’s a shit system but maybe try to fix it instead of being indignant all the time.
OK. Cool. Stop trying to be some kind of social media hero that feeds the trolls and fuck use the electrical official powers you have to their full extent, please. We can’t pussyfoot around for another day.
Did AOC get bit by a radioactive electrician recently?
electoral* I’m just mad and impatient, meaning my typing has gone to shit
I figured, but I’m incapable of letting an opportunity to make a bad pun pass me by.
Tangentially related book recommendation for folks wandering through the thread who are disappointed that AOC isn’t announcing she’s taking over the role of Storm for the X-Men: The Power by Naomi Alderman. They turned it into a TV series, though I don’t know anything about the adaptation. The premise is that women across the world all of a sudden develop the ability to generate electric fields (like an electric eel) powerful enough to stun or kill. The book then details, through a variety of narrators, the social and political ramifications of this across a variety of cultures. I thought it was a fun yarn, at any rate.
Ok what powers do you want her to use when the dems are the minority party
She had 4 years before this. Didn’t do anything but support genocide. Still continuing that policy. Trump is just a continuation of liberal fascism.
“Instead, Prime Minister Netanyahu pursued a path of mass revenge, killing over 40,000 Palestinians, blocking humanitarian aid, pushing Gaza to the brink of famine while only further endangering the lives of hostages, and consistently undermining ceasefire negotiations.
“One year after the attack, the region is barreling toward even wider conflict. The Biden Administration has failed in its responsibility and own stated goals to prevent a wider regional conflict.
Which part of that reads like genocide support to you? The condemnation of Netanyahu or of Biden?
You have a literal fucking nazi takeover on your streets and you’re complaining about… liberal fascists? Didn’t Lenin have something to say about you ultra leftists types?
It’s amazing how people can write but not read… It’s almost as if some individuals have vested interest in her failing
Yeah, some of these online roleplaying leftists really need to question their logic if they’re doing the same job as right wing bots: undermining unity with useless dissent. Shit taken straight from the CIA sabotage manual:
Sorry, no, Time Machine is not one of her electoral powers.
I dunno, maybe constantly raise a voice in actual congress without giving the GOP the advantage of adhering to useless decorum would be a massive start.
