“DA says…” This is not the author making that assessment, it’s the DA. Naturally the DA is going to say he killed the guy, same as I do, or anyone making Luigi memes does.
There’s no obligation for a reporter to insert “allegedly” where it was not stated.
Nope, I’m saying it’s been prevalent on Lemmy and that everyone who created, shared or upvoted that content has absolutely no basis for going “Presumed innocent!”
If you think Luigi’s a hero, you have no basis for saying he didn’t shoot and kill thr guy.
Lemmy isn’t a court of law, neither is the Internet. It’s pretty much universally accepted he killed the guy, if it wasn’t, we wouldn’t have the hero worship.
What the court is going to decide is if he’s justified or not.
Any conspiracy theory is going to do some heavy lifting explaining how the highly custom pistol in the video is not the same highly custom pistol found on Luigi.
Mangione has not admitted to the act nor has he been convicted. He has a right to the presumption of innocence. The state must prove his guilt. Trial by public opinion in the media is not a replacement for a jury of his peers. That is an elementary democratic principle, not a conspiracy theory.
Of course he’s not going to admit anything, he’s not a dummy. But it should be obvious to anyone with 1/2 a brain he’s the shooter, the only question is “was it justified?”
In that regard, he seems to be winning the battle for public opinion and has been even before he was ID’d.
There is nothing here stating Mangione has been convicted of anything.
“after Luigi Mangione killed CEO Brian Thompson” is the problem - he allegedly killed that guy
“DA says…” This is not the author making that assessment, it’s the DA. Naturally the DA is going to say he killed the guy, same as I do, or anyone making Luigi memes does.
There’s no obligation for a reporter to insert “allegedly” where it was not stated.
And the DA is wrong for saying that, alongside the reporter for not correcting them.
You sound like the type of person Brandolini’s Law is based on.
If you ever created, shared, or upvoted a Luigi meme, then you agree with the sentiment.
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Nope, I’m saying it’s been prevalent on Lemmy and that everyone who created, shared or upvoted that content has absolutely no basis for going “Presumed innocent!”
If you think Luigi’s a hero, you have no basis for saying he didn’t shoot and kill thr guy.
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I’m addressing the hive mind who simultaneously believes Luigi is a hero but also somehow did not kill a guy.
Both of those statements cannot be true at the same time.
Lemmy loves Luigi and cannot stand the idea that he’s anything but an avenging angel sent from heaven.
If you believe that, you can’t also believe he didn’t kill anyone.
This is different from the common phrase “he didn’t do anything WRONG.” Which recognizes that, yeah, he killed the guy, but it was justified.
It’s apparently too hard to have proper journalism I guess.
“DA alleges…”. There fixed it
It’s saying he murdered the CEO, when he has not been proven/convicted of doing so. How are you a moderator making decisions like that?
If nobody believes he killed the CEO then everyone needs to immediately retract all the Luigi memes.
It’s clear he shot the guy, the only question is how justified it is.
Innocent until some guy on Lemmy says otherwise?
Oh wait, no, it still has to be proven.
Unless you were present at the time, you’ve seen some videos. Perhaps it’s not likely, but videos can be faked, more easily now than ever before.
Proof first.
Lemmy isn’t a court of law, neither is the Internet. It’s pretty much universally accepted he killed the guy, if it wasn’t, we wouldn’t have the hero worship.
What the court is going to decide is if he’s justified or not.
Proceeds to cite general Internet opinion as proof of guilt.
Again, this isn’t about “guilt”. Guilt implies some level of wrongdoing, and the court is still out on that.
The question they will determine is “was he justified”, not “did he do it.”
The court is also going to need to decide if the cops planted the evidence he conveniently carried with him several days later.
Any conspiracy theory is going to do some heavy lifting explaining how the highly custom pistol in the video is not the same highly custom pistol found on Luigi.
I agree that “DA says…” is equal to “alleged,” but you lost the thread with “it’s clear he shot the guy.”
There are two groups of people:
People who think Luigi’s a criminal who needs to be imprisoned or executed.
People who think Lugi’s a hero who was fully justified in his actions.
Both groups agree he killed the guy. There is no argument outside tin-foil-hattery that he didn’t.
The only question remaining is if it’s justified or not.
Mangione has not admitted to the act nor has he been convicted. He has a right to the presumption of innocence. The state must prove his guilt. Trial by public opinion in the media is not a replacement for a jury of his peers. That is an elementary democratic principle, not a conspiracy theory.
Of course he’s not going to admit anything, he’s not a dummy. But it should be obvious to anyone with 1/2 a brain he’s the shooter, the only question is “was it justified?”
In that regard, he seems to be winning the battle for public opinion and has been even before he was ID’d.
I keep half expecting this moment at trial:
https://youtu.be/mCjBspxuUmU
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It’s clear he shot the guy because people make memes??
No, people make memes because it’s clear he shot the guy.
I should add too… nothing in the headline is saying Luigi “murdered” anyone. The word is “killed” and that’s not the crime.
The act of homicide on it’s own isn’t a crime. The circumstances will determine if it’s murder, manslaughter, etc. etc.
You don’t need a conviction to say someone killed someone else, that part is self evident.
Was it justified? Was it murder? That’s what the courts will determine.