For all those people who like to say “HaMaS iS UsInG HuMan ShIelDs” why is bombing a hospital with civilians in it and killing civilians acceptable losses? If you need to completely scorch earth to kill 20-30 people then something is seriously wrong in strategy/equipment or personnel. Unless wiping out civilians is the point of the strategy.
Narrator: It is the point of the strategy
Does that mean Israel is justified in bombing thousands of children because a few militants may be among them?
I believe the point they were making is that whatever excuses Israel comes up with to justify this massacre is just that: excuses.
Yea the excuse is that if a single Hamas is potentially existent in Gaza that justifies the any and all civilian death.
It amazes me how the Pro-Israel crowd doesn’t see how they have become the monster they ran from a few decades ago.
PS:For the slow ones I mean they have become modern Nazis through their rhetoric and actions. I don’t even see how it is debatable at this point.
Just like the Nazis, they see it but won’t admit it. That’s how shitty they are.
Zionism is religious nationalism, so it’s no surprise Israel is full of right-wing nutjobs.
Or just “suspected” to be among them, which is often not even true. I would recommend Breaking the Silence, it’s a group where ex IDF soldiers talk about their experiences. They have plenty materials on YouTube. After hearing what IDF teaches you and makes you do, I understand how these soldiers have dehumanized Palestinians in their eyes and are able to kill without consequences
Thanks for the recommendation snek.
Would Israel take the same approach if Hamas was hiding in an Israeli hospital?
That’s terrorism, since it harms real people.
There are cases where Israel just goes in to kill the hostages and the hostagers just the same. Hannibal detective and all that.
The point is to degrade Palestinians. Somehow Israel seems to think this “works”
Fuck the IDF. How anyone can suggest that they are “morally right” to do what they are doing is just as monstrous and cold-hearted.
1,400 people died in the Hamas attack. Over 10,000 people have died SO FAR in the Israeli attacks - almost half of which are children. Israel has one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world thanks to the U.S. Let that sink in for a moment…they have one of THE. MOST. ADVANCED. MILITARIES. On the entire fucking planet. If they wanted to, they could avoid these casualties…but they don’t. This is purposeful.
‘But we told the pediatric hospital we were going to bomb them. All those children should have gone somewhere else’ - Israel (probably)
Or if that interview the IDF guy gave about bombing the refugee camp is their model it will go more like:
“IDF: Hey we think there are tunnels and a base under there. No we didnt confirm, and no we wont field any follow up questions about whether its okay to bomb children on just the vague suspicion of terrorist infrastructure”
The 10000 number is almost certainly an undercount. THere is no way to know how many people are buried under the rubble of entire communities that have been flattened when the means to move that rubble is non-existent in Gaza. And if you did get some heavy equipment out there how long do you think it would be before the IOF saw Hamas hiding under the excavator and dropped a bomb on it?
how the fuck is this downvoted
What moron downvoted and couldn’t leave a comment?
Did I say anything that is incorrect?
Chicken shit ethnic cleansing apologists.
Ahh there they are… Typical of genocide apologists. Can’t defend the actions they want to keep happening. Nazi Cowards.
How anyone can suggest that they are “morally right” to do what they are doing is just as monstrous and cold-hearted
Visit r/worldnews and see for yourself
I saw someone argue this is them reducing civilian casualties. They use roof knocking and delayed explosives and shit. Just sounds like they want to show off how much better their military equipment is, tbh.
Hammer, meet nail.
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It’s like a final solution to terrorism
My heart just sank reading the headline… fuck.
Fuck Biden and the rest of the US congress. Bunch of spineless assholes and cowards.
What father/brother/kid isn’t going to join Hamas if they lose their families to these unforgivable acts.
I, for one, support this bombing.
Those babies didn’t denounce Hamas enough before they bled to death. All they did was cry.
Just shameless.
/s (because last time I did this, people took it seriously)
It’s only because there are legit lunatics out there saying the same thing but without sarcasm.
You mean spokesmen for the IDF?
Don’t let it overwhelm you. There’s only so much we can do. I posted a story last week of a 3 year old girl that died with her father, in his arm. Just surreal. Vote. Write your Congressman. Love your family and friends. That’s all we can do.
Voting is great and all, but we literally have the choice between the guy helping fund these atrocities, and the guy trying to destroy democracy.
Just vote third party? That’s just a throw away vote for one party. THIS is the problem with a two-party system.
Unfortunately, there are too many major hurdles to go over (two party system, electoral college, gerrymandering, lobbying, just to name a few) before we even have a chance at something resembling justice, here or abroad.
At least you’re asking the correct questions. Let us know if you find the correct answers. Because I don’t have any. Organize, communicate, stay informed?
All of those issues go away if we switch to ranked choice voting. Literally all of them. One change and we’re free of this horrible corprotocracy/oligarchy.
Which is why it will never happen, sadly. The wealthy will lose all their influence and power in a single change. They’ll “scorched earth” this shit before they let that happen.
The problem is the majority vote system. Only the votes for the winning party in a district actually do something, it doesn’t really matter whether the district is lost 49 against 51 or 0 against 100.
That’s what I’ve been telling my friends and myself but hard to keep perspective when my congressman went to Israel to “show support for Israel’s defense” and not a single thought or word to these dead kids.
Thanks for the kind words though.
A friend called our congressman and his office told him to talk to Hamas.
Shitty remarks from a Republican bastard, but also interesting to have their ‘official’ stance be for their constituents to consort with terrorists.
Send them Rashida Tlaib’s Speech while being censured.
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If you think that Biden has ANY control over Netanyahu, you are as stupid as any common MAGAot.
The ONLY thing that will reign in Netanyahu is the US suspending funding and that will NEVER happen as long as the US MAGA/evangelical right wing believes that funding the destruction of Palestine will FINALLY to bring about the Armageddon they are so anxious to have happen.
Perhaps, Just Perhaps, we should STOP letting people that want to bring about the end of the world (which according to the bible, “no man can cause or predict”) be in charge of ANYTHING AT ALL that affects anyone but themselves?
The irony of you calling me “stupid” without understanding how an elected President, admin and political party can influence domestic and foreign policy….
Lol.
Oh my god. This is just pure evil. You could have Mecha Hitler in the hospital basement and it would still be completely wrong.
They made a video game about this.
Not according to the Geneva Conventions, in fact shielding military operations with civilians is a war crime.
It’s looking more and more like a policy of genocide, whatever the politicians say.
(a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.Sure seems like Israel is trying to get a full bingo card on this one.
IsRaEl HaS a RiGhT tO dEfEnD iTsElF
Those sick kids were coming right at them dude!
That made me laugh!
Dark.
I only chuckled.
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Man, why can’t Israel just be the normal, good guy in this. They’re just as bad as the other side.
just as? how many pediatric hospitals have the other side deliberately bombed?
Certainly not for the lack of trying. It’s just that the iron dome is protecting those hospitals on Israel’s side. It shoots down dozens if not hundreds of rockets shot by Hamas daily, some sources say 7000+ since October 7th, which are aimed at who knows what kind of targets.
Just because Israel is a (, not the,) bad guy in this war doesn’t mean Hamas are any less evil.
I’m not trying to say Hamas is not evil, but equating the terrorist attacks on October 7th with IDF’s intentional bombing of hospitals, schools, killing 4000 children doesn’t, and shouldn’t be sound mathemathics in my mind. If we do, we are not far from the people who let the Holocaust happen.
Can we please not use math to argue who is allowed to murder how many innocents on either side? There is no “but” here, every innocent life taken in this conflict is one too much, on both sides. This conflict has evil, different brand of evil, and innocents caught in the middle between.
Well that’s assuming you’re taking Hamas’ numbers at face value, the same group that claimed a misfired rocket that couldn’t have killed more than ten people killed “500.”
So yeah, if you’re just dumb enough to believe a terrorist group has that accurate of census data, that’s on you.
Are you claiming that no one has died in Gaza?
Then you should be for a ceasefire.
At least 1 5 times already since the war started. Look up Barzilai Medical Center in Ashkelon.
Then you should be for a ceasefire.
No. Hamas needs to be stopped, so no more rockets are fired at Israel. A ceasefire means more rockets will be fired at Israel in a little bit, just like every ceasefire.
well how many music festivals did the Israelis ride into indiscriminately killing civilians? we could do this all day, enough with your blatant attempt to paint one side as saints while the other is evil.
both of them are the devil and innocent civilians on BOTH sides are paying the price for the bloodthirsty maniacs on BOTH sides
I think most people would not equate hospitals with music festivals. I hope you don’t either.
They can’t even have festivals when they live in an apartheid regime, under an open-air prison controlled by the other party. Equating this as an equal conflict is unfair and an unjust representation of reality.
I think most people would not equate hospitals with music festivals. I hope you don’t either.
ive seen some shit takes but, wow
Very good argument my man. A hospital contains newborns, sick and injured people, in addition to medical staff who provides care for these people. If you think that is the same as a music festival, I would maybe make a visit to both types of establishments if you need to understand.
civilians who had no part of this numbnuts. the fact you think some deserved it and some didn’t is pretty disgusting and says a lot about the kind of peice of shit that has opinions like yours
Then you should advocate for humanitarian aid.
Religion is the real devil, that’s the root of this bullshit. Not that people haven’t committed atrocities for other reasons, but religious fundamentalism is the most common source of this kind of horror and that will exist wherever religious adherents have the numbers to obtain political sway.
Then you should be for a ceasefire.
I am?
I don’t know, are you?
Here’s an archive link for those who want to see the narrative your spinning.
Because that approach was what lead to the current war and the largest massacre in Israel’s history.
It saddens me. They’re the last people you’d think would do this. If they can be fascist, anyone can.
Well they have been the baddie for a while, it was just that news and politicians didn’t talk about it much.
lolwut
They’re the first people I’d think of. You’ve got some history to read.
Can you point me in the right direction please?
I’d start with that article the other guy sent you about the Nakba
Keep up the good work. Pass this around if you get a chance. It’s a documentary about Israel’s path to apartheid.
Did I fail to pick up on sarcasm in your original comment lol
No. I was just speaking of the Holocaust they had to endure should have made them more empathetic to the suffering of others. It seems they are perpetuating the cycle of violence.
Killing children will surely get them before an international war crime tribunal. Yea? Am I right? They should, shouldn’t they? All those scum pilots and the politicians that buy them planes and bombs? Nürnberg could reopen those courtrooms? Or Hague? Aren’t they specializing in war crimes? Or are those courtrooms only for the enemies of “democracy©”?
Fuck our democracy if it kills anyone, let alone FOUR THOUSAND (4000) children in ONE (1) MONTH. And fuck our psychopaths in the ‘white house’, the ‘bundestag’, the EU parliament, the UK parliament and all other imbeciles who decide that those children are okey to be killed.
If it doesn’t, it should.
I am just waiting till tomorrow “Israel bombs crippled kids caravan with puppies and kittens for orphans” - every time I set the bar lower, Israel slithers under it.
I had someone argue that Hamas raped babies with no evidence, so I wouldn’t be surprised.
Israel will get away with genocide. Most of you are probably okay with this.
Is any actual news site corroborating this?
Surely you can answer your own question. I assume you’ve heard of this new invention called “search engines”.
Yeah, I tried that and couldn’t find anything at the time. Thanks for the help.
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I just watched this report in a segment from Democracy Now. I’ve also read it in a report from NPR. Maybe instead of criticizing sources, people could search for themselves before they comment. Just because you don’t like the facts a source relays, doesn’t mean it’s not true.
Be civil.
The vast majority of coverage is local sources, with a single line in a Reuters daily report. Says so in your article.
Your source may have a good ranking on MBFC but it is not a mainstream source in terms of readership. Looks like its somewhere in the 500-1000 range of US news sources.
Not to denigrate the tragedy. There are eight dead from inside a pediatric oncology department.
Feel free to report it.
per NPR:
The Rantissi Children’s Hospital and the Nasser Hospital Complex also have been damaged through direct and indirect airstrikes, according to the Ministry of Health in Gaza and the United Nations.
Be civil.
Why the fuck should anyone be “civil” about Israel bombing babies exactly?
Give me a fucking break. Fuck off with that crap.
bombing babies
Sick babies, at that.
Not that it changes anything. As a recent father, this whole thing rips me apart inside.
Now imagine if your baby was murdered by terrorists, you finally made peace with it thinking “at least they aren’t having to go through the trauma of being kidnapped and held hostage” only to find out your child is still alive and held hostage by these terrorists.
Wat? The? Fuck? I have no idea what kind of mental gymnastics is happening here.
It’s actually happening to a father in Israel right now.
