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,dies of being suicided.
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I would have hoped that getting some measure of justice for herself, even if it was just exposing those monsters to the world, would have helped her cope, but i guess not. At least she made the Queen believe, so she died with her son knowing that his mother was aware of his sick perversions.
I feel terrible for her children. I wish her love for them could have pushed the intrusive thoughts aside, but eventually the thoughts won. I suspect children are the only thing keeping many of us alive.
the only I thing I am still shocked about is how little courts seem to care
I hate how many people are already starting in with conspiracy theories. She was sex trafficked as a teenager, for fucks sake. Then her whole life was dragged through the mud in public view while she sought justice. Countless people take their own lives every day under far less stressful circumstances.
She didn’t know anything that Ghislaine Maxwell doesn’t know, and that bitch is still breathing.
Suicide, eh. Time to drag in the worthless shit Andrew into a Perth police station.
Wait… she fell out of a window? When was she in Russia?
She shot herself seven times in the back and then threw herself out of a window
I could sure go for some optimism right now.
Just saying: Her car wrack story has been proven as bogus/phony. But it sounded like a cry for help/attention.
That doesn’t rule out,that someone wanted her death - but neither does it rule out suicide.
And sadly victims of the unspeakable abuses she endured often suffer for the rest of their lives with mental health issues. Very bad mental health issues. And as someone who has suffered from them right where she lives I can testify that mental health care in WA sucks ass. Even if you are in a much more privileged position than she was - as a healthcare professional I had much better options than most.
Either way it’s a fucking sad story. No matter how you turn it she might have never had a chance. Either to the outside forces or to her inner daemons.
The other comments be like, “this lady is dumb because she killed herself and definitely just changed her mind and definitely wasn’t murdered, despite expressing that she will likely be murdered.”
Right? If I’m ever inclined to believe that someone(s) is going to murder me, and tell my family & friends about it, and that I’m not suicidal, it’s because I want people to look into it if I die. It’s stunning to read all of these comments saying that maybe she was sitting on the fence, or that a half-decade is a lot of time to change your mind. Like, how fucking powerful do your enemies have to be before people are at least willing to entertain the possibility that you were killed for globally humiliating multiple multi-millionaires and their friends?
I swear to Christ, I think it’ll take a dead-man’s switch tied to a private investigator and/or hitman to get things moving after a death under suspicious circumstances… “I think someone’s going to kill me, if it happens, here’s $30K to ensure that something’s done about it. Don’t accept jerkoff diffusion from impotent wankers or fools. Make sure that dolts don’t say I just got sad and shot myself in the back of the head twice.”
People say shit like “half decade” to make five years sound longer. I understand people can change in five years, often do not share their suicidal ideation but she was a bright woman who understood the weight of her position, if nothing else it’s shady and needs to be looked into just to confirm.
Nice one, so I guess that you’ve never said “half dozen” then, right? Because you wouldn’t want six eggs to sound like a bigger number, right?
Are you being deliberately stupid?
People say shit like “half decade” to make five years sound longer.
What the fuck do you expect me to say to someone who comments “People say shit like “half decade” to make five years sound longer”?
That expression is being deliberately used to make the time period sound longer. Do you not understand that people will use language in a certain way to make things sound better or worse?
The tweet was written in 2019.
Since then there has been a global pandemic that affected a lot of people’s mental health, and she had had become estranged from her husband and children.
I’m not saying that there is no chance someone did this, but there was reasons why this might be a legitimate suicide.
This is a stupid thing to write tho unless you update it regularly and verifiably. Anyone can fake it and things change, maybe someone wasnt suicidal but then became suicidal.
In this case i wouldnt doubt it for a second if someone claimed she was murdered, but thats beside the point. If you want to make sure that you cant be “suicided” then you need people close to you that can act as witnesses to your mental well being right before you got killed.
She is literally trying to avoid having the people close to her getting targeted, it’s like right there in the post.
She wrote “do not let this go away”. That means she wanted to bring as much attention as possible to her killing. But also what she wrote is plain stupid. Her family will never be or feel safe no matter what they do.
Even if you dont want to directly involve your family, there are better ways to make it hard for others to fake your suicide.
I’ve never seen someone too stupid to use the word “stupid” before. Incredible stuff, thank you
Someone being dead doesnt make the bad decisions they made before their death immune to criticism. Idk why people behave like it does.
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Why are you claiming she faked her suicide?? Are you trying to say she’s still alive?
for others to fake your suicide
“others” as in the people that want to make it look like a suicide
That Tweet is six years old isn’t it? I guess you can change your mind in that time.
Have your plans to not commit suicide been altered 180° in the last 6 years, or are you still opposed to the idea? See how that works, it’s not like picking your favourite flavour of chips or movie, is it?
Two people close to me have gone from “normal” to suicidal and back again in the last 6 years, for different reasons and at different times. Thankfully they are both stable and enjoying their lives now.
If you’ve not witnessed anything like that, count yourself lucky. I remember talking to people about suicide when I was younger and couldn’t understand how anyone could get to that place until I saw someone I know really well go through a complete mental breakdown.
It kind of blows my mind that suicide seemed so outlandish to you back then tbh. It’s always seemed like a reasonable and, in some unfortunate cases, necessary final escape plan to me. But maybe that’s a product of having not-so-great parents, depression, and growing up in sometimes middling/sometimes severe poverty?
Yes it is a product of those things, if you’re thinking about it then please see someone and work out a path to better mental health.
We only get one life, it would be a tragedy to waste it!
I appreciate you saying so, but I’ve been doing relatively fine over here. Unless faced with a life of literal torture, I have no intention of leaving this world any time soon!
Glad to hear it!
I can answer yes in both directions. It’s amazing the toll stress can have on your mental health, whether that stress be environmental factors or biochemical imbalances. In the right, or wrong, environment 6 years can completely change who you are.
This isn’t to say she committed suicide, I don’t know her and barely know of her, but your opinion is verifiably incorrect, and more likely to be incorrect for someone who has suffered significant trauma followed up by years of emotional abuse.
Just 4 years ago I was on the verge of doing it. Today while still having the recurrent though, I’m doing a lot better. And every single suicidal/depressive people is a different world, so yes, people can have 180° change in less than 6 years.
There is no single rule of thumb to apply here, as much as ignorance may lead you yo believe so.
Im not currently in chronic extreme pain nor am I terminal, were that to change I might consider suicide.
Mine, no, but I definitely know people who went from very happy with their lives to deep depression in a shorter period then that.
That doesn’t necessarily equal suicidal tendencies in all cases but there’s certainly common ground been the two.
I have had a day where I was sure I wanted to die and years where I didn’t. It’s possible for it to change in an instant. I don’t know any details of her situation, but just pointing out that that can change from moment to moment.
Jeez, I just suggested that it’s possible.
So I live in a world where the rich and the powerful can commit whatever crimes they want and be elected world leaders.
Conspiracy theorists live in a world where the rich and powerful can commit whatever crimes they want and be elected world leaders and then vengefully kill their accusers, but make it look like a suicide for some reason.
Seems like the same thing with extra steps. Why do people think they would want or need to do the extra steps?
Most conspiracy theories have at least some truth, with the rest being assumptions based on things proven true. Is Jeffery Epstein an agent of a shadowy super organization that spent decades collecting evidence of rich and powerful men abusing children to keep them under control?
Maybe. Parts of that are undeniably true, and the rest of that also happened separately(see finders cult). You’d be a conspiracy theorist to combine the two though, especially if you were to present this information in 2003, despite both things still being true then.
As far as your actual point; whistle blower have “committed suicide” by shooting themselves twice in the back of the head, dislocating their joints, and shoving themselves post mortem into a duffle bag in a ny apartment. (See CIA whistle blowers, NYPD whistleblowers.) Its not crazy to assume someone that took on someone powerful was killed and was made to look suicidal, that’s literally something that has happened thousands of times in the last 5 decades. As to why, it’s easier. It stops official investigations. Its over with and must people will assume it is true and anyone that questions it will be a crazy conspiracy theorist.
One of the biggest successes of the Conservative Propaganda Machine is that while sowing insane conspiracy theories, they have simultaneously made people dismiss conspiracy theories in general. That allows them to get away with ACTUAL conspiracies, and silence critics by disparaging them for spreading “conspiracy theories.”
Some conspiracies do exist, and those who are part of them ALWAYS deny them.
People already dismissed conspiracy theories in general. I’m old enough to remember a time when conspiracism was a fringe belief system back in the 90’s and 2000’s when I was a kid.
The right-wing infosphere has normalized conspiracism. Fox News got people to believe there was a conspiracy where there was none so the Republicans could enact the equivalent of a conspiracy in broad daylight. TDS, Trump derangement syndrome, is the go to accusation for the MAGA movement against their opposition. Calling people conspiracy theorists would probably cause a bit of cognitive dissonance for Republican voters.
Some conspiracies do exist, and those who are part of them ALWAYS deny them.
All kinds of people deny conspiracy theories usually because of the lack of evidence and attempts at grifting. Trump never denies involvement in Jan 6th, he mostly lies about the nature of the attack on the capital. He intentionally mischaracterizes the attack as peaceful despite the deaths.
Iran-Contra was an actual conspiracy, and it truly happened. I once explained it to someone younger who had never heard of it, and when I was finished explaining they asked “Did that really happen?”
How long ago was that? If you did that to someone younger now, who hasn’t heard of it, they would probably believe you without asking if it was real. The fact Iran-Contra is real is neither here nor there. What’s changed is how people engage with conspiracy theories. We should want people to think critically and ask for evidence.
I’m going to fast forward through the fact that the entirety of the above comment was full of nothing but baseless conspiracy theories pretending that they aren’t conspiracy theories and that some other conspiracy theories are the actual conspiracy theories. Own it.
I’m fast forwarding because the comment has completely missed my argument’s actual point.
So I live in a world where the rich and the powerful can commit whatever crimes they want and be elected world leaders.
My argument’s position is not that governments couldn’t do this in theory. My argument’s position is that they have no reason to do this in practice. They don’t need to make our deaths look like suicides to kill us. They can kill us.
They can kill us and lose no support whatsoever in a fair and free election. And it’s way easier than covering it up, because they can use the investigations as a talking point in their rallies without the downside of consequences because there are no consequences. The people still think it’s true because they are trapped in information silos. And they all accuse everyone else of having TDS, Trump derangement syndrome. edit: typos
It has not been that way for that long though. They used to lose support if they openly killed people in the streets.
Has Putin lost any support for all the defenestration and underwear poisoning? People used to think dictators would lose support if dictators killed people in the street. The truth is if you control the narrative you can get away with killing people and if you don’t you can’t get away with doing nothing wrong.
Critical thinking is a skill. Anyone can learn it. We can measure a person’s ability by giving them tests and throwing a wide array of problems at them.
This is part of that skillset, you understand subtext? this is the language of the powerful this is how they communicate to us not to resist and blow the whistle. You are serving their agenda by sowing doubt. Whistleblowers are ordinary people that have somehow accessed the deep courage to speak out when you or I would look the other way or say a thing is “someone else’s job”. These people are heroes; how many more of them are you going to watch die before you rise from your chair?
this is the language of the powerful this is how they communicate to us not to resist and blow the whistle.
So I live in a world where the rich and the powerful can commit whatever crimes they want and be elected world leaders.
They could have this person killed and claim credit for it and still get elected. Trump publicly ordered a mob to descend on the capital and they killed cops. Now he’s president again.
Critical thinking is a skill. Anyone can learn it. We can measure a person’s ability by giving them tests and throwing a wide array of problems at them.
Trump isn’t just being facetious when he says could get away with shooting someone in public and not lose a single supporter. He is largely correct. The bulk of his supporters are people in the MAGA cult who blindly believe in any conspiracy theory they see on facebook. They would either not believe he did it or if he did that it was justified.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-fifth-avenue-comment/
So let’s continue to engage in some critical thinking.
What are the rich and powerful communicating by jumping through these extra hoops? That they can have us killed but only if they make it look like a suicide?
how many more of them are you going to watch die before you rise from your chair?
If it turns out that this person or a revelation that all the people who conspiracy theorists assert were murdered were to come to light tomorrow do you think anything would change? We know who Trump is. We know who many of these powerful people are. We keep electing them. There has been no up rising despite knowing about their connection to Epstein and other criminal activities.
You are serving their agenda by sowing doubt.
I’m arguing in favor of the current official narrative so if anything I’m sowing trust, but I digress. What are they gaining they don’t already have by me arguing this? If a government did this they won’t be able to keep it a secret for long, see the recent Signal chats, and they won’t face the blow back they deserve, see the last decade of history.
What’s happened here is that reality is outpacing the conspiracy’s capacity to be disconcerting and distressing. Conspiracy takes after narrative. This idea that powerful elites need to hide their crimes to maintain power is almost comforting. There’s a way for good to defeat evil that elites have to respect or face consequences. Unlike in narrative where the revealing of a truth is met by public outcry and backlash, in reality the truth is met with a doubling down on candidates and deeply held beliefs no matter how awful they are.
She said she would never commit suicide. She was murdered.
Three weeks ago, Ms Giuffre posted on Instagram to say she had been seriously injured in a car accident, which her family later said she had not intended to make public. Local police later disputed the severity of the crash.
This part makes me wonder. If I remember at the time of it, it was a kidney injury that without dialysis would have given about 4 days to live. She recently split up with her husband after 22 years. I’ll start by saying dialysis isn’t fun. The emotional rollercoaster she has been on would devastate anyone.
That being said, all of this would not have happened if she hadn’t been trafficked. I maintain an opinion that traumatic crimes result in suicide, then the perpetrators are murderers.
Regardless if she died by her own action or not, she was murdered.
With that opinion stated. Yeah. Without a lot more information I’m sort of expecting the suicide to be self-intlicted gunshot wounds to the back of her head while her hands were tied.
Interestingly in the uk it is possible to prosecute someone for manslaughter if their partner/ex kills themselves due to domestic abuse. Trafficking involves coercive control just like DA and there’s an overlap between traffickers and DA in general.
Yeah. I’m inclined to believe this was suicide, but she was driven to it primarily by the abuse.
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Whenever suicide is mentioned in conjunction with Epstein, the answer is it wasn’t suicide. Even so, it means there will be no justice.
If someone is shot and paralyzed, but dies years later from complications it is ruled as a murder in connection with the shooting. If someone is horrifically abused and commits suicide, should the suspects of the abuse have some culpability in the death?
Whether suicide or murder, her blood is on Epstein and company’s hands.
well said. I would add his clients too.
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Don’t forget that the president of the United States is caught up in all of this too.
The car wreck didn’t kill her so someone was sent to finish the job.
So let me get this straight, you think some hitman posed, as a school bus driver of all things, to assassinate her, and that failing, she’s so important that someone else gets sent in to get her?
Occam’s Razor is dead.
