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A picture of the Ben Affleck Smoking meme, with the caption “Me seeing people on reddit telling other people to go to lemmy.world”
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Stop making good the enemy of perfect!
Yeah, anything to get them from reddit is good.
Plus, once they get a feel for Lemmy and the wider fediverse, they can then migrate their account elsewhere.
Some of them maybe, but a lot are super toxic and I just hope they stay on reddit and make each other suffer rather than the good ppl on lemmy.
That’s a moderation issue, and if we can’t handle it here, Lemmy is doomed regardless.
No, it’s not. Lemmy is immortal.
Anywhere but:
- lemmy[.]ml
- lemmygrad[.]ml
- lemmy[.]world
- he xbea r[.]net
Now explain why to the masses.
- tankies
- tankies
- centralisation
- tankies
tankies => historical revisionism and genocide denial.
I don’t really care if they are authoritarian communists, I care that they deny or try to embellish massive human rights absuses and human suffering.
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Authoritarian anything; within reason - is generally a bad thing. Ie communism, capitalism, and all spectrums in between :)
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Capitalism is inherently authoritarian
Sounds about right.
abbout righht indeed
To expand:
On .ml, you’ll likely end up being banned for “bigotry” if you dare criticize certain authoritarian regimes. The mods and admins cannot handle any sort of dissent, so censorship is quite heavy there. You’ll even get banned from unrelated communities. It’s the least toxic of the “Big Three” tankie instances, but still not a great place to be. There’s also the issue of overcentralization since it’s such a large instance, as getting an unwarranted ban can block off access to a good chunk of communities.
Grad is .ml but more extremist. They’re widely defederated for good reason, as their users are pretty horrible to anyone they consider a shitlib. I can’t say much about them from personal experience as they’ve been defederated with my instance for as long as I’ve been here, but many have alts on .ml where they do engage in shitty behaviour.
Hexbear is by far the worst. Take grad, and turn the hostility up to 11. If you say the wrong thing, it may end up posted in their “dunk tank” where they’ll then proceed to harass you as a group for days or longer, even taking it to DMs. They do not federate with other instances to participate in good faith, they federate in order to push their agenda and “dismantle Western propaganda”. And by that, they actually mean flooding threads with oversized emotes and graphic pictures of pigs shitting on their own testicles when they decide to brigade. They’re also widely defederated for good reason, and most threads involving defederating with them have plenty of examples of their awful conduct outside of their instance. Many have alts on other instances to bypass said defederation though.
Because most Americans can’t handle any other worldview and have no identity beyond mindless nationalism.
Tankies simply partake in a different nationalism: Russian or Chinese
Lmao spend one minute on meanehileongrad and say that again.
lol 🤡
What the heck does this have to do with choosing a social media platform, comrade?
Not everyone against tankies are American or even from the West. You ARE aware Lemmy has many worldwide users, right?
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Don’t forget:
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vegantheoryclub [.] org
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tankies
wait, what?
They love simping for the CCP and Putin.
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Facts
Generally a result of decentralization is that subjectively bad instances can arise, but the entire point of decentralization is that they can exist. I don’t consider it a weak point.
Here fucking here. 3 are blatantly full of Nazis and one is just Reddit.
So like the big servers that everyone’s on, gotcha
Pretty much yeah. Spreading stuff out so there is no single point of failure is a good thing.
The cold truth is that to onboard people in greater numbers you need a default instance recommendation. You just do. You absolutely cannot ask potential new users (many of which will - hopefully - be casual and not so tech savvy) to sit down and undertake a multi hour research project into finding an appropriate small instance for them. You cannot reasonably expect people to look into uptime, funding and defederation lists to make an informed decision about where to register. You just need them through the door and posting and commenting and voting.
Making a new account somewhere else is super easy and painless once they’re already here. We just need to get them here.
It’s too bad there isn’t a way to just have one location for everyone to create an account, like a lemmy.com, and then the last step during account creationg is to select your preferred instance for the account, maybe from like a drop down list that has a small blurb about the rules and expectations for that instance and a list of top 10 hosted communities, and maybe even a random choice option, and then you can go back to that main area to switch your instance later if need be.
When I first found Lemmy, it was through https://join-lemmy.org/ which is similar to what you are describing.
Though it recommended me to join lemmy.ml, and apparently it’s a controversial one, so I don’t know if that worked out well…
That’s how I got in! Lemm.ee does just fine.
But yea, perhaps we could chat to the heads of lemmy.world to maybe pin an announcement to help other instances and help decentralisation. I wouldn’t be surprised if they would agree to do that for the greater good.
I think historical data supports they wouldnt agree to stuff for the greater good, but idr that well so I could be wrong
Yeah you left out the hours of research to figure out what each instance is actually about and the years of abuse and power trips that have occured under different leadership, and also the dropdown includes defederated instances.
I started on blahaj, but they are NOT an inclusive and healthy LGBTQ community so I had to move but I didn’t want to go through all the effort again so I joined .world
If you thought .world is more LGBTQ friendly than Blahaj you must be smoking the good stuff.
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Also Ada is a tankie
🤣
If Ada is a “tankie,” then everyone is a “tankie,” and since you say that “tankies” are fascists, then everyone is a fascist.
Why has she been hosting “196” A.K.A. “(also fuck tankies)” communities for the last two years? Deeply unserious.
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Why don’t you stay on .ml if that’s what your account exists for?
It seems disingenuous to me not to use your .ml account
Nah, I support Ukraine’s independence and I blocked .ml a long time ago.
Just tell them to go to your favourite instance. Easy.
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I agree as I am one such case. I created an account like a year and a half ago and got so overwhelmed with it I just ignored it. Even the explainer I found was just too much. Finally a couple weeks ago I remembered it given all the Reddit is compromised stuff. I found my login info. I also happened to have had a gummy so I was in the right high mindset to just go down a rabbithole and finally figured it out. I still don’t really understand how Lemmy interacts with like Mastodon or Pixelfed etc.
I found it pretty easy: pick an instance of your country. Support local instances!!
Lemm.ee is the default instance new users should use.
That would expose new users to Hexbear, and I don’t think new users would stay long after accidentally provoking them with wrongthink and getting spammed with pig testicle pics and insults. That was my experience when I first joined Lemmy and it wasn’t pleasant. Lemm.ee’s hands-off approach to defederation can be both a blessing and a curse, and I’m not sure it’d be best for new users to be exposed to some of the worst of Lemmy.
Because they haven’t defereated from the tankies yet?
This is why research is important
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Agreed
I started on world and quickly began hopping.
joined on world, couldnt see piracy and the hopping began
Thank you for spreading!
The open-source nature of Lemmy would enable great migration tools.
The devs seem opposed to letting users migrate accounts though.
The issue for moving comms has been open since last year.I haven’t looked at the Lemmy codebase but here’s my thoughts on why they don’t “just” fix this.
Unless the database is designed for easy migration from it can be a very large task to modify the database layout, as you nearly have to refactor everything.
One way to solve this is that all posts/comments/votes uses an UUID as primary key instead of auto-incrementing IDs.
Hi, so moving in AP (ActivityPub) doesn’t really work like that.
Essentially, every action (like, follow, create etc) is an
activity, “moving” something sends a “move” activity to every follower of an actor (group, user etc), which will make them follow the new account.So moving a community is really just making everyone unsubscribe from the old on, and subscribe to the new one, set the old one as read only, and setup a redirect (“This community has moved to !newcomm@instance”). The old comm will stay, and it can be browsed.
Take a look at “nomadic identity” though, its a bit more similar to what you are talking about.
Mod actions don’t even federate properly yet, you have to have a local account to mod properly. And post pinning only works when the stars align. With all those basic features having issues, comm migration is nowhere near the top of the priority list.
I guess so, but I really think we should recommend another instance this time around.
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Hasn’t happened yet when I did that with Lemmy.cafe.
The small instances can take in 10s of thousands of users before being strained.
Yep, I wouldn’t recommend tiny ones, the medium sized ones seem to be able to scale enough.
I don’t really get how to get into that. How do you find instances with more than 10 people on them ? Plus like you said, I have to make a new account for every instance which is super annoying
You don’t need an account for every instance. For example, I am on lemm.ee, you are on lemmy.world, but I can reply to your comment.
Every instance shares the same content.
See I’m confused at this. I cannot login on lemm.ee. not sure what I’m doing wrong.
Think of it like email, you can send emails to anyone on any email provider, but you can’t login to gmail with your outlook info.
You can use https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy to find the smollest ones.
I don’t see the issue with recommending a generic instance, if your intend is to convert the generic user. It certainly is a better experience than saying ‘ok, so choose what you like from this list of instances’ and they don’t even know the implications or what that means.
The overcomplication of Lemmy is an issue, and this behavior tries to avoid that.
Recommending generic instances is good, but please don’t recommend that generic instance.
Eh why not, might mellow them out a little
Can we recommend another generic instance? .world has a few problems plaguing it right now.
You’re on one of them already, IMO
The other one I have in mind is mine. Lemmy.zip even DM a starter guide after sign up.
a generic instance is what most users need to actually make the move, if they like it or understand it better later they might choose a different insurance later, if not who cares they can still interact with others.
Well it is lemmy.world, so it makes sense that it should contain everyone in the world /j
We need lemmy.multiverse
We need a multiverse tld.
Sadly multiver.se is squatted
Domain squatting should be illegal.
what if you need to have a domain poo
Squatting a Domain squatter should be legal
Say if a domain as been in disuse for 2 years squatting it should be a valid procedure. When squatting the costs of the domain continue to run by the original purchaser
I see a lot of wackos from there.
lemmy.world does not allow the use of vpn to post. vpn is basic internet hygiene. do not go to lemmy.world if you care about that, our you will not be able to post.
you can join any federated instance instead.
one day later edit: i took my information from this post of a lemmy.world admin: https://lemmy.world/comment/12079632
I was made aware that users are able to post on lemmy.world while using a vpn. maybe their stance has changed?
aside from that, try to avoid joining the biggest instance and join smaller, federated instances instead. this reduces load and avoids centralization.
vpn is basic internet hygiene
according to vpn companies
9 out 10 VPN companies recommend hiding your IP address.
lemmy.world does not allow the use of vpn to post.
That is definitely not true. I’m using one right now, and there is a VPN community at !vpn@lemmy.world.
https://lemmy.world/comment/12079632
is this resolved then? i will update my comment to correctly reflect the current situation then :)
Thanks for the link, I wasn’t aware of that discussion. The lemmy.world terms of service says:
Users are allowed to use any provided method to interact with Lemmy.World, as long as it is in good faith. VPN and/or Tor access is not explicitly disallowed, however, we reserve the right to restrict and/or limit types of access via anonymizing services to protect both our site and staff.
It looks like lemmy.world does not proactively block VPNs, but does block IP addresses that have used lemmy.world abusively, even if blocking the IPs would cause other unrelated accounts to be affected.
All I can say is that I’ve never been affected by such a block. But if I do get affected, I’ll switch to a different instance or even a different service such as Piefed and Mbin.
What do you want them to do? Select an instance at random, to spread them out?
Yeah, this is just stupid. I wish a significant amount of redditors would go to lemmy.world
I mean, what do you want to tell them to join? Something called “mander.xyz”? “sopuli.xyz”? Maybe something like sh.itjust.works, jlai.lu or yall.theatl.social? I’d feel awkward enough telling them to join “Lemmy” then linking to lemm.ee. Sending them to lemmy.ml would just be cruel.
I picked lemmy.world because it sounded the least sus
As many others did, and many others will in the future.
Referring new users to a poorly named instance is a generally bad idea. Many of our instances do look very similar to the nonsense links you’re taught you’re not supposed to not click on if you get them in an email or see them on the internet in the wild.
It is the most popular and easy to understand, I’ve never been harassed by the instance admins or mods like in other communities. (.ml .blahaj .ee)
.world is the defalt instance and I can’t find a better one to take its place
Yeah. Looking at the 'verse The other ones are for developers, Canadians, Pro-AI, Canadians again, NSFW, programming, gender diversity, techy people, Finland!, PCs/Gaming, Climate criss, Leftist (but not Liberal).
Like there’s not instances for the rest of us, so you just end up going to the General ones.
lemmy.ca is alright.
And I’m not saying the other instances shouldn’t be like they are with their weird, esoteric names. But I am saying they’re generally a poor introduction.
Personally, after having spent some time on lemmy, while I like lemm.ee I feel like I could be fine to move to mander.xyz or sh.itjust.works. If I was on lemmy.world and not lemm.ee, I might’ve done it. But I’d have to start fresh, I wouldn’t be able to move my user there. And personally, I get kind of attached to my account. I don’t really like making a new one and leaving the old one. I wouldn’t like to keep logging into two different accounts, either.
I feel like if it were feasible, it could potentially be very good to allow users to just press a “Move user to another instance” button. Might be a terrible idea, but hear me out.
The function being, I guess, to either fully move its data to another instance with their full history. Or alternatively, to effectively just remake the account with the same login besides instance, and keeping access to their user’s “legacy” history accessible from the old instance within the profile. Maybe with legacy history as a separate thing if necessary, ideally it would be displayed in the same list as native history but with a marker or something. Either solution sounds potentially messy, but maybe it could be done elegantly. I would guess the latter with the new account linking to the old account would be better, not messing with where the old comments and posts and messages and votes are stored. Maybe it could effectively be generated as just a simple separate text file to refer to, to link to the legacy part of the profile’s history from the other instance. Not sure about any of that. Maybe it would make sense to just allow one move per year.
Either way, if this could work well, it could make many users much more willing to switch to one of the smaller instances after initially joining lemmy.world. Especially if lemmy.world does something many users don’t like.
I know I’d personally prefer this kind of solution if lemm.ee were to turn into an extremist trekkie instance that started mandating “Live long and prosper, to all except Lucasfilms.” at the end of every post and top level comment. I’d want to bring my profile and history and block lists and whatever over.
Makes sense.
Lemmy.world is filled with censorship and genocide apologists. It’s basically an exact clone of Reddit’s culture of smug libs that look down their noses at other poor people while working tirelessly against their own best interest by supporting corrupt oligarchs that weaponize identity politics as a highly effective dog whistle.
Hey! I’ll have you know I was onboarded from reddit because I can’t possibly be asked to understand federation much less the preferred instance or any of the politics of this place before arriving. I saw an easy way in and I took it, because my anti-genocide tirades got me banned from reddit and so far haven’t from here. Idk how to control which part of lemmy I’m in much less the one I come from. I am not, however, a “lemmy.world-er” I just live here
Welcome!
Now that the election is over and the shitlibs on world can pretend that Trump is the only demagogue to blame for the ongoing genocide, you might be fine.
If I were you, I’d switch before you share your opinion somewhere that kescusay@lemmy.world or jordanlund@lemmy.world can censor or even ban you.
I’ve seen people banned and their comments removed for having the audacity to question the official braindead Reddit hivemind lib narrative (pro-DNC no matter how demonstrably corrupt they get because “have you seen the other guys?”, anti-Single-Payer, conveniently pro-Ukraine while hypocritically anti-Palestine).
It’s pretty easy to switch nowadays.
One day when I have the patience to figure out migrating my profile I will lol a ban would iust give me the time to do so
There is no migrating, you just open a new account. I used to be on .world and changing really didn’t do anything noticeable past letting me temporarily block .world when they’re on a crusade against some imaginary issue.
Migrating a profile right now is really just downloading your settings and subscriptions (option in settings), opening a new account on a different instance, and importing your settings and subscriptions.
While there is wackos on .world, this is mostly because of .world’s slowdowns and delays.
Yeah. I started on world and accidentally made my password too long to ever login again. It was a wonderful accident.
“Lemmy is great, you can choose whatever instance you want! But fuck you if you choose that one.”
No, don’t recommend that one. I don’t care if you’re on LW, its just not a great idea to recommend it to newcomers.
Can’t I change instances if I want? Seems like having a landing zone would be a good thing. Picking a server to join for your initial setup is really confusing for the less tech inclined. That on-boarding process bounces tons of users and making it simpler up front would be best for growth.
This is all moot if you can’t change the server your account is on and my b if I’m wrong on that one.
You can sign up for a new account, but you’ll lose your preferences and such, there’s no migration feature I don’t think yet.
Well when .ee defederates from the tankies they can join the adult community
The main benefit to being on .ee is federating with nearly everyone.
I was forced to go to Lemmy after the post-inauguration bloodbath, but Ive liked it a lot, more than Reddit in many ways. I was getting really tired of the bots, puns, Russian Propganda, novelty accounts, TROLLS, etc.
OTOH, I feel like I can speak much more freely on Lemmy. Even before I got permabanned, Reddits Free Speech mission had become non-existent.
The downside of Lemmy is that some of my favorite subs don’t have an equivalent on Lemmy. For instance, the Reddit guitar subs are very active, but the few Lemmy guitar forums are nearly empty, with posts that are days, weeks, months, and even years, apart. I tried Googling “Lemmy Guitar” for ideas, and literally every link was about Motorhead.
So I welcome more quality Reddit immigrants, as long as all the Trolls stay over there.
Help build the guitar community, tell the people on reddit to come here instead. I will do the same.
I can’t, I’m permabanned. I tried getting around it several times, with new account names, but each one lasted a shorter and shorter time, as the algorithm honed in on me. My first alt lasted a few weeks, my last one was caught within an hour.
I do like the idea of building the Guitar community here at Lemmy, I’m just not familiar enough with the system to know how to do that. Do we start a new forum, or take over an existing one? Do we have just one and put EVERYTHING in there, or do we split it up between various subjects - general, lessons, performances, gear, amps, etc.?
How’d you manage to get banned?
I repeated an opinion that I’d made made times in the past without even a warning. The first time after the Inauguration, and I was permabanned, despite being a 12 year member with over 900K in karma.
I came to Lemmy, and discovered a lot of recently exiled Reddit vets with high volume posting accounts that were 10+ years old. We were the people that built Reddit over the last decade, with thousands of posts without getting banned, and suddenly ALL of us managed to say something bad enough in the same month to get permabanned.
It turned out February was a bloodbath, and an unknowm number of people were ejected, probably in the thousands. Recently we found out that Musk had been pressuring Spez, and obviously Spez capitulated, like so many other cowardly CEOs, abandoning their core Free Speech mission (which was becoming increasingly compromised anyway).
I’m still lurking over there, but the problems they were habing with puns, bots, TROLLS, Russian propaganda farmers, etc. have only gotten worse.
So now I’m at Lemmy, with a lot of other active ex-Redditors. It looks a lot like Reddit looked 12 years ago, when I started over there. I’ve seen many of the original posts that have become Reddit lore, and I’ll miss what we built, but it’s best days are definitely behind it. Now, we’ll help energize Lemmy, and grow it into its own cultural powerhouse.
For me, that includes building an active, enthusiastic, supportive, POSITIVE guitar community here.
Lmao your case sounds very similar to me except I haven’t been banned, but apparently mostly because I just lurk most of the time because reddit sucks more and more every day. The last straw was them getting rid of messages and not giving a good old.reddit alternative which made me realize they’re going to kill old reddit soon, and I refuse to use their shitty new UI. I’ve been on there for like 13 years and I feel like it’s gotten way worse way faster in the past year than it has in a long time.
I wasn’t just a lurker, I was extremely active, with over 900K in karma. I was going to try to break 1 million this year. Not only that, I was a fairly radical activist, and was rabidly anti-MAGA. Reddit has capitulated to MAGA, so now Im a political enemy.
some comms you’re gonna need to build
It’s literally just the Lemmy arm of Reddit. Same rules, same mods, same centrist users.
I registered with blahaj first but I couldn’t. Log in after a couple of months and never found a solution.
I came to Lemmy on my own but felt forced I to .World.
There are other generalist or niche instances beyond .world
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Oh hey, it’s the person that conflates Communism with fascism and accuses everyone of being a bot, a sockpuppet, and/or a fascist. Again, I recommend you read Blackshirts and Reds.
Part of the problem is that there isn’t a really good onboarding process that doesn’t involve getting people to join smaller instances.
Based on dev comments, they seem happy with Lemmy staying small, so there isn’t an organization pushing for an equal distribution of new members.
