Summary
At the Munich Security Conference, JD Vance criticized European leaders for suppressing free speech, mishandling migration, and ignoring populist concerns.
He questioned whether Europe’s values still aligned with America’s and warned of a “threat from within,” rather than Russia or China.
His speech, which largely avoided discussing Ukraine, shocked attendees and drew condemnation from EU and German officials but was praised by Russian state media.
Vance’s private meeting with Germany’s far-right AfD leader and his dismissal of mainstream politicians further deepened tensions between the U.S. and Europe.
America is a big dumb golem used to do the violent bidding of whoever is able to control it - mainly Israel and Russia.
A mere 1B donation get you control of a 800B a year military. Talk about ROI!
the french did some great stuff with just a metal blade
And a bit of timber.
I think this people have long already disqualified their ability to speech anything worth of coherent value, why keep listening them or take note of their words? They do not follow the rules of that game, is not possible to play on the same terms so that battleground is a distraction at best, a cancer at worst.
Don’t feed the troll, don’t support the bully.
Lol is this a tongue in cheek self aware comment? I had to start and restart each sentence a few times.
We will be squished in between Putin and his lapdog. Fuck this timeline.
Peter Thiel: “Good Ubu. Sit Ubu.”
The least useful, biggest idiot.
That’s fine, people with dignity don’t have “leaders”. That’s about JD too.
And there are feedbacks in human societies, meaning that AfD and such would have much less popularity if, first, they had a less stinky alternative as “counter-system” parties, second, were not given publicity as a scarecrow, third, were not given media pressure.
It’s natural that in some conditions people run from the political mainstream and want something not associated with that swamp. It’s also natural that “black PR” is still PR, it puts AfD (or someone else) on a list of associations in one’s mind as being against that mainstream (no matter how fascist or populist). And it’s also natural that when you see media pressure, you want to push back.
People making decisions love to think in directions, but in fact thinking in categories and weights between them is better. Like with diversifying investments. If you invest a lot in the left-vs-right dynamic, no matter which side, the results are unpredictable, but you affect their possible magnitude, the more you invest, the more it is. So if someone puts a lot of pressure “to fight fascism”, they might cause a rebirth of fascism that wouldn’t have happened otherwise.
For the same reason I’m still not sure Trump is worse for Ukraine than someone else. You have to end the war at some point. If there’s no military way to restore Ukraine’s sovereignty over all of its territory, that may realistically be attempted, then that won’t happen anyway. They are not suggesting Ukraine to recognize annexation, but even if they were, the old world order is dying, and formal sovereignty in the UN might do little good in future. Some things they say suggest they may do for Ukraine a lot of what Ukrainians love to dream about in terms of restoration and armaments. Just - also controlling Russia by allowing it to sell its resources again. Probably with a deal worse for Russia than before, and the resulting prices might be less competitive than before.
Putin is getting a brilliant return on his investment.
Dig deeper. This is Peter Thiel and Curtis Yarvin. Pootin is an accidental beneficiary.
https://newrepublic.com/article/183971/jd-vance-weird-terrifying-techno-authoritarian-ideas
Russia: Great intelligence services, shit army, no navy
Well got to min max and humans historical max out the Intel Stat versus other animals so it’s traditionally move. Plus you know, massive embezzlement opportunities.
If they could stop drinking for a couple decades I think they could do some awesome stuff. When the Soviets first took power they were prohibitionists, and that generation of Russians went on to beat the Nazis and launch Sputnik, despite Stalin.
Russia feels like the kid in school who you know is abused but is an asshole because of being abused. The Golden Horde was awful, to be sure, but we all need to let the healing happen.
Reminds me of family guy Ireland before whisky.
https://youtu.be/7-yQ4s6IBec?ZGzGcnBg86TWheeA
If they ever do, maybe They can something like in Atomic Heart. Good communist technology for all people to enjoy right now I’m questioning if murica can not be a cyberpunk dystopia. Which would also fall in like with Atomic Heart…
Also makes me think of a guy I know who I went to high school with, just incredibly smart. Ended up getting to the National Science Fair and got an honorable mention and also a bunch of newspaper attention. Fifteen years later, he was in prison for getting caught with a backpack full of meth cooking equipment.
I can’t remember the last time I saw him sober. Even after he got out of prison, I don’t know if he was still doing meth, but I only ever saw him in bars drunk off his ass after that.
He’s still a super nice guy, but his brain is basically scrambled eggs.
suppressing free speech
Shutting out far-right racists and literal foreign agitators
mishandling migration
Racism
and ignoring populist concerns
More racism
Feels like the New Axis is starting to take tangible shape.
mishandling migration
Racism
Are you calling it racism because Vance said it, or would you claim that anyone who thinks migration in Europe has been mishandled is racist?
Perhaps some genuine criticism could be levied at the specifics of their immigration policy, but this is JD Vance, that’s not what he’s here for.
When he talks about “shared values” and “what you are fighting for” he’s talking about white Christian dominance in Europe and defending it with the sword. The far right has long seen Europe as a failure of progressive decadence and moral weakness and this speech was a blatant expression of that.
That is why the far right rejects European countries and cozies up to Russia, because the American conservative and the Russian nationalist have quite a lot of “shared values.”
Thanks for clarifying, that is reasonable
I now know I’m truly not on reddit.
This is the exception. Usually it’s even worse than reddit, especially when ml joins the thread.
Vance racist? He loves his wife despite her being Indian!
“Vance leaves the US and thinks the rest of the world thinks of highly of him as his brain-dead countrymen do.”
He’s such a fucking buffoon.
He’s just reading what his Russian speech writer told him to.
“blistering attack” is one way to say it, I’d say bigoted rambling is better way to describe it
Hey, at least they didn’t use “slammed” again.
Fuck off with that BS. We don’t need you authoritarians to illegitimise our leaders, insert a racism wedge between us and misrepresent what our “populous” wants. We know that our values are not aligned with a conservative, VP-to-fucking-trump, Putin’s puppet, project 2025 POS. And we don’t need to look for a “threat of within” when we need to stand united against russia and now US influence.
When AfD neo nazis, the richest asshole in the world, the US leadership, Putin and north Korea all praise and support each other we can see through your BS.
“The mice in fact are tyrannical oppressors for not opening the door to listen to what the fox has to say!” - JD Vance
Nope, mister G.O.Pudge, we do not have to include Nazis.
What does the fox say?
Dear Goober-Veep,
The threat from within is the Nazis, not the people who refuse to listen to the Nazis. They’ve been handling Nazis longer than you’ve been alive. Shut your fucking pizza pie hole.
That dipshit has no right to criticize anyone.
This is the guy who is an apologist to anti-Indian hate speech… while being married to an ethnic Indian.
He’s nothing more than a performer now. Ask yourself every time: who is he performing for right now that he believes will increase his political power? I’m not sure why he wants power. He wouldn’t know what to do with it.
