• @Fixbeat@lemmy.ml
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    269 months ago

    Yeah, I don’t really understand why they keep raising rates. It’s just another form of inflation for consumers.

    • @Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world
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      Bank profits inflate the money supply.

      If banks hold 100% of the money and lend it all out x10 (fractional reserve) and earn 1% interest, the money supply is growing by 10% per year.

      That’s inflation. All that money goes to the banks.

      Edit: that’s 1% on top of whatever they have to pay for the money from the fed, so 7% rate plus 1%, or whatever.

      That doesn’t even account for the stock market and other speculative devices.

      When business and the wealthy class get richer, they want to get even RICHER. Prices rise. Which drives record profit, which makes rich people wealthier, which causes the cycle to repeat.

      Raising interest rates is SUPPOSED to make people uncomfortable and stop spending. It’s not working yet, because literally EVERY INCENTIVE IN OUR SOCIETY is pushing people to spend spend spend.

      There is no functional market force driving down housing costs, food costs, or education costs. Unchecked capitalism can’t work.

      We just need proper incentive structures and regulation. But seeing as nobody has the guts to start figuring that out, the only lever we have is interest rates.

      So they’ll keep going up until something breaks.

      • FuglyDuck
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        39 months ago

        One obvious solution that’ll never happen is simply getting rid of fractional reserve banking.

        Make it do they have to have it, to be able to loan it

        • @Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world
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          09 months ago

          I don’t like all of the fuckery the banks get up to. But even I’m willing to admit that this is a Pandora’s box situation… I’m not sure we can ever go back.

          It would be like trying to restore the gold standard. Just… How?

      • @Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world
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        -29 months ago

        Man / or woman ain’t wrong. System is designed to fail.

        Only way out is to destroy it and start again. To repeat the cycle

    • Dark Arc
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      I’m not sure what the other person’s talking about.

      It’s really simple. Companies borrow money to do projects that they can’t currently afford. When interest rates are low, you can start a lot more projects. When interest rates are high… those projects have more risk and need more immediate returns before your interest payments start hurting your profits.

      It’s kind of like 0% APR in the consumer world, “why buy later when I can buy now for basically free.”

      Of course, all that money companies use to start projects doesn’t immediately create the business to do the work … so the businesses doing that work previously can charge more, and the price to get them to do any work increases. That last part is the inflation…

      So… if you raise the interest rates, you kill the purchase orders, which lowers demand, and then lowers prices.

      That’s also why raising rates too much is a scary prospect, because you can literally stall out the economy because instead of too many companies trying to start projects too few companies are starting projects and people start getting laid off because there’s not enough work to go around.

    • @xkforce@lemmy.world
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      Theyre raising rates because it is a way to limit the amount of money entering the system. Low rates have been feeding investers that have been driving up housing prices among other things. And the rate of inflation hasnt slowed down as much as it needs to. That suggests the amount of money the market requires is still significantly lower than the amount being added to the system.

  • ThrowawayOnLemmy
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    Frankly it was ridiculous how low our interest rates were for how long, a correction was absolutely needed. What’s insane is that the current rates haven’t had near the impact the fed probably expected or hoped for. Which is crazy because everyone I know is feeling the effects.

    But this is also literally the first time in my life that I’ve seen an interest rate above 1% on my bank savings, so that’s kinda neat.

    • sylver_dragon
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      119 months ago

      Ya, the whole article read as: Investors are addicted to cheap money.
      Of course banks and investors want lower interest rates, that’s how they make money. When rates are higher, fewer people take on debt, which means less money for the banks. And investors have higher borrowing costs, so they make less money. Sadly, this also sucks for the average person, as our credit is also more expensive. However, we can take a look over at Turkiye for the counter-factual plan. Erdogan was nice enough to run an economic experiment for the world on what happens when you cut interests rates during inflation. The result of that experiment has been rather insane inflation… But hey, it got him re-elected. So, that was nice (for him).

      Ultimately, higher interest rates are kinda needed and probably here for a while.

      • @hark@lemmy.world
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        39 months ago

        Low interest rates also hurt the working class. It’s a contributing factor to the massive increase in housing prices. No matter how things go, the rich will always win out at the expense of everyone else.

        • I don’t understand this logic… low interest rates means it’s easier to borrow, which most poor people have to do to get anything. I think most cars have monthly payments right? Rate goes up- payment goes up. Richard Wolff talks about this alot on the socialist program. But you’re right in saying the rich are not impacted. Because they generally have savings and benefit from high interest rates.

          • @hark@lemmy.world
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            It’s easier to borrow for rich people too, and they have a lot more money to borrow with, so they can pull out cheap loans and buy everything up. If rates are higher then the poor can’t afford current prices, but current prices were driven up by low interest rates. The rich and the poor borrow for different reasons. The poor borrow because otherwise they can’t afford the things, the rich borrow because it seems like a good investment. That’s how you get things like housing as an investment instead of as shelter.

  • JokeDeity
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    99 months ago

    Biggest piece of shit in the world. Fucking hate that man.

  • @DudeDudenson
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    59 months ago

    Meanwhile in Argentina with 110% yearly inflation:

    “Try me bro!”