Last behind the bastards episode is this article expanded. Robert Evans is always very listenable and the more detailed CES reporting is interesting, but if you are a member here you probably won’t be adding anything new to your TREACLES lore.
I wish journalists referencing the basilisk would go a in a bit more in depth, it’s so much dumber than than it seems at a brief glance. Like, a lot of people immediately assume the alleged scary part is that we might already be living in the simulation and thus be eligible for permanent residence in basilisk Hell should we commit the cardinal sin of shit-talking AI, but no; the reason you can go to AI hell is because of transhumanist cope.
As in, if your last hope for immortality is brain uploads, you are kinda cornered into believing your sense of self gets shared between the physical and the digital instance, otherwise what’s the point? EY appears to be in this boat, he’s claimed something like there’s no real difference between instances of You existing in different moments in time sharing a self and you sharing a self with a perfect digital copy, so yeah, it’s obviously possible, unavoidable even.
As to how the basilisk will get your digital copy in the first place, eh, it’ll just extrapolate it perfectly from whatever impression’s left of you in the timeline by the time it comes into being, because as we all now, the S in ASI stands for Fucking Magical, Does Whatever It Wants. Remember, ASI can conjure up the entirety of modern physics just by seeing three frames of an apple falling, according to Yud.
@Architeuthis@tante I often hear it said that the TREACLE crowd is a section of early 2000s Internet atheists that went on to invent their own god, but I don’t think it gets pointed out enough how much stupider their belief system is compared to the religions they constantly mock.
The movement also predates the 2000 internet atheists a bit, Yud has iirc spoken about posting in 90’s newsgroups about this stuff. (of course there also was a 90s atheist movement).
It’s kind of fascinating how rotten the “New Atheist” movement turned out to be. Whether it’s Richard Dawkins revealing his inner racist-misogynist, Michael Shermer being rapey AF, or James Lindsay turning into a Christofascist, the movement seems to have spawned and/or revealed a lot of really problematic people. I guess it’s no surprise that the rationalist scene had such a membership overlap.
As in, if your last hope for immortality is brain uploads, you are kinda cornered into believing your sense of self gets shared between the physical and the digital instance, otherwise what’s the point? EY appears to be in this boat, he’s claimed something like there’s no real difference between instances of You existing in different moments in time sharing a self and you sharing a self with a perfect digital copy, so yeah, it’s obviously possible, unavoidable even.
God help me for asking, but do the Yuddites have a response to “every open system implements every finite state automaton” ?
Remember, ASI can conjure up the entirety of modern physics just by seeing three frames of an apple falling, according to Yud.
That is the upper limit, the ASI might need just one image because grass. ;)
(I will not do my ‘the we live in a simulation’ thing again here, it is amazing how smart people make quite a few silly mistakes trying to argue that one imho).
Last behind the bastards episode is this article expanded. Robert Evans is always very listenable and the more detailed CES reporting is interesting, but if you are a member here you probably won’t be adding anything new to your TREACLES lore.
I wish journalists referencing the basilisk would go a in a bit more in depth, it’s so much dumber than than it seems at a brief glance. Like, a lot of people immediately assume the alleged scary part is that we might already be living in the simulation and thus be eligible for permanent residence in basilisk Hell should we commit the cardinal sin of shit-talking AI, but no; the reason you can go to AI hell is because of transhumanist cope.
As in, if your last hope for immortality is brain uploads, you are kinda cornered into believing your sense of self gets shared between the physical and the digital instance, otherwise what’s the point? EY appears to be in this boat, he’s claimed something like there’s no real difference between instances of You existing in different moments in time sharing a self and you sharing a self with a perfect digital copy, so yeah, it’s obviously possible, unavoidable even.
As to how the basilisk will get your digital copy in the first place, eh, it’ll just extrapolate it perfectly from whatever impression’s left of you in the timeline by the time it comes into being, because as we all now, the S in ASI stands for Fucking Magical, Does Whatever It Wants. Remember, ASI can conjure up the entirety of modern physics just by seeing three frames of an apple falling, according to Yud.
@Architeuthis @tante I often hear it said that the TREACLE crowd is a section of early 2000s Internet atheists that went on to invent their own god, but I don’t think it gets pointed out enough how much stupider their belief system is compared to the religions they constantly mock.
The movement also predates the 2000 internet atheists a bit, Yud has iirc spoken about posting in 90’s newsgroups about this stuff. (of course there also was a 90s atheist movement).
It’s kind of fascinating how rotten the “New Atheist” movement turned out to be. Whether it’s Richard Dawkins revealing his inner racist-misogynist, Michael Shermer being rapey AF, or James Lindsay turning into a Christofascist, the movement seems to have spawned and/or revealed a lot of really problematic people. I guess it’s no surprise that the rationalist scene had such a membership overlap.
God help me for asking, but do the Yuddites have a response to “every open system implements every finite state automaton” ?
That is the upper limit, the ASI might need just one image because grass. ;)
(I will not do my ‘the we live in a simulation’ thing again here, it is amazing how smart people make quite a few silly mistakes trying to argue that one imho).