The Palestinian Red Crescent said on Friday that one person was killed and 28 others were wounded in a shooting by Israeli forces at Al-Quds hospital in Gaza, the organisation said.
They didn’t say the children were shot. They said they were wounded.
24 times? With a sniper rifle? Come on dude. Spare yourself some dignity and think for a second before you say something that makes zero sense.
Sniper rifles will shoot through windows, interior walls, equipment, human bodies, etc
OK. Again. 24 times??? Dude. It’s a SNIPER. You know, the one where they say “I have a clear shot, I’m taking it”. You think they’re shooting through walls that many times that (if we assume a crazy high rate of 25% hit children unintentionally because of course they weren’t aiming at kids!), that’s still 24 * 4 = 96 shots at a hospital? Why not use an assault rifle at that point?
With a sniper rifle, you watch, you wait, and you make sure you have a shot before taking it. If you miss, you regroup. There’s no mention of a high value target, no mention of Hamas activity inside. If they had that intel, it would be on the news for sure.
Again, as usual, the people to be mad at here are the literal terrorists committing literal war crimes by turning hospitals into battlegrounds
Sure, Hamas is a rebel force to Israel but the sheer number of collateral damage to kill even a single Hamas soldier is completely out of this world. Even in this scenario, 1 person killed, 24 wounded by sniper fire, and they didn’t even confirm who the target was or if they got him.
The Jews are both so brutal and strong that they purposely aim at children in hospitals and so pathetically weak that none of those children died.
That’s exactly right. Shoot to maim, cripple the hospital infrastructure to prevent aid, anaesthetics, water etc. To be provided so that they suffer the most gruesome pain as doctors struggle to treat them.
You’re really nailing the whole Goebbels angle here.
We’re talking about Jews here. Those are your words, not mine.
Where did I imply I am happy about anything going on in this entire situation?
I am not arguing out of team loyalty. I’m correcting people saying incorrect things.
The IDF are not comic book villains. They’re an army fighting battles in a very populated city. What is happening is exactly what everyone said would happen.
It is not some weird child sniping event. It’s a fucking war zone and this is a tragedy. A tragedy that could have been prevented if terrorists weren’t fighting from within a hospital.
Do I think this could be handled better? Hell yes. Why the fuck are there still people in said hospital? Why was the first move upon approaching not to fortify somewhere nearby and invite all those people to come be protected?
You can be an asshole commanding troops to advance without protecting civilians without being a comic book villain.
With how intense this situation has become among people, I am of the belief that taking a bad thing and using language that magnifies it as much as possible is a bad idea. I’m arguing against doing that, and instead discussing reality.
They have been harassing Jerusalem and other West Bank Palestinians alot lately, and have not let up since Ramadan (nearly 9 months ago). You can literally get an IDF tour guide to go harass Palestinians at the Temple Mount. They even bring their kids.
They have been targeting hospitals for decades.
They are contaminating West Bank water.
They turn off West Bank water whenever they feel like it.
Gaza isn’t an independent entity. Anyone who tries to trade with them gets on America’s bad list.
They should have excepted by now that Gaza is not part of Israel. Funny enough, it was never part of the biblical Israel or Judah.
Most importantly. Gaza cannot have allies. Gaza has no options. It was all calculated. Israel has even funded Hamas before. Yes, it’s all literally comic book villainry.
I think few to no children were shot, but many were injured via indirect means, as I think I pretty clearly lay out.
At the very minimum, it would be a rare occurrence for so many children to only be wounded if shot by a snipe rifle. It is unlikely, in general, that the wounds were from sniper rounds.
The majority of the injured were children and two are in critical condition as a result of sniper fire targeting the hospital, a Red Crescent statement said.
So they got injured running from sniper fire? Did the sniper pull off some James Bond shit and shoot a dangling object to fall on them?
So one guy dead, no guarantee he was even a fighter. 24 kids injured. Some other adults, also no idea if they were fighters. How tf is that reasonable collateral for a sniper? This was clearly intentional.
That is literally the point of snipers, man-- high precision, calculated strikes at long range. Doing the math of how far a bullet will drop between your location and the target, calculating how long it will take the bullet to reach your target after you pull the trigger, judging if there is possible collateral damage, and waiting to make your shot until several variables align is all part of the job because sniping is literally math. I’m sure you know all that, though, because here you are saying that you know, in general, how sniper rifles work.
This comment makes no sense at all, dude. How in this wide world do you reckon an Israeli sniper would injure a child in a distant Gazan hospital, if not by shooting?
And all of those things can only happen after an IDF sniper fires their rifle. You’re trying to say that these were accidents, but snipers don’t accidentally aim down the scope then oopsydaisy their finger onto the trigger.
Thats correct , the IDF are the terrorists in this case. Reminding us what the literal and internationally recognised and ratified definition of terrorism and war crimes are . Nothing justifies this barbarity. They are the invaders, they could choose to walk away from the hospitals and the schools and the families and the innocent victims they are now choosing to murder, “wounded” as you claim isn’t a big deal, mentally torture, abuse and eventually further radicalise against them. Perhaps thats the intention , because the goal sure as hell isn’t peace. This is anti civilization and the world is watching. No one wins from this pornographic inhuman behaviour.
Those children really had it coming for being at a hospital. Thankfully the IOF never lies and is always the good guys when they murder children. It’s just their culture to see Hamas everywhere like a scary boogeyman that justifies all war crimes.
Thanks for the link, I learned some things. There are a lot of legitimate criticisms, and some that I don’t think hold water.
Israel has been a theocracy ever since they declared themselves to be the homeland of the Jews. As there are many lineages of Jews, and religious converts of any background qualify for Israeli citizenship one must assume they are referring to the religion and not the ethnicity when they made this declaration. A better analog than the US declaring itself the home of the white people, would be if Vatican City declared itself to be home of the Catholics, (and had a much bigger population, some of whom weren’t.) Still not great but different in some very relevant ways. This matters because the video then goes on to build a case from this faulty premise that Israel is an apartheid state because it employs systemic racial oppression and discrimination. However, this internal legalized discrimination doesn’t seem to be racial at all, in fact they have laws explicitly forbidding racism. Within Israel, what legal discrimination exists seems to be religious, or political and from the examples provided, manifests itself as:
Right of return only applying to Jews (religious)
Outlawing political parties and candidates who deny that Israel is a democratic state and a home to the Jews, (probably a response to Sharia and Palestinian attempts to deny Jews equality in their imagined one-state solution. Political and religious.)
Withholding government funds from organizations that commemorate the Nakba, the “remember the Alamo!”-like rallying cry of their enemy (political)
Jews are allowed to marry individuals from the West Bank or Gaza, Israeli Palestinians are not; many Palestinian spouses are prevented from living together in Israel (probably due to fears of anti-Jewish belligerents getting into the country through marriage and being outnumbered via fertility. Political and religious.)
Inequities via the military court system and military administration of territories (political)
Theocracy isn’t great but not exactly racial discrimination either, although since ethnicity and religion overlap so much on the Palestinian side of this conflict I suppose it’s easy to use it as a proxy there. Less so on the Israeli side, which is comprised of many Jewish and Arab ethnicities.
Then there’s also extralegal discrimination, something most countries have to contend with, only moreso here. Citizens of countries at war are often unsurprisingly prejudiced against the groups that they are at war with, like how many Americans freaked out and became anti-Islamic after 9/11. I can only imagine how much worse that would have become if the attacks against the US were ongoing for a century. This generational hatred and cycle of violence has gone on so long in Israel that there certainly seems to be many social discrimination issues to be addressed, at all levels of society. Certainly among police and right-wing politicians. Some examples of inequities that are not because of current laws:
There are still generational socioeconomic consequences to systemic discrimination of the past.
Accusations that there are prejudiced people on public land use committees who interpret rules about culture and community standards in a discriminatory way, some who do so explicitly.
Bibi seems like a little Trump working with the Likud party to intimidate voters. (Fuck them. It’ll be great to see them kicked out of power.)
Unequal and often inhumane treatment of suspects and prisoners by the legal system.
However, some criticisms they use to make the case for Apartheid I find unfair:
Refusing Palestinians access to lands that were taken from them. (This curiously seems to omit the failed declarations of war against Israel, a major reason why these lands were lost and never returned, or the fact that these parties are currently belligerent. Letting them in while they are actively trying to kill them would be stupid.)
Making Palestinians live in enclaves like Gaza, (whose situation is clearly a consequence of national belligerence and not racism.)
Palestinians within Israel with full rights only exist to provide cover for apartheid. (…damned if you do, damned if you don’t.)
Characterizing Gaza as occupied even after withdrawal, and suggesting that therefore Israel should keep providing them with supply lines even as Hamas attacks and tries to genocide them. (Absurd.)
Gaza/West Bank cannot vote in Israeli elections. (They should let the people trying to kill them and outnumber them elect their leaders? K.)
Demonstrations in Palestinian territories are illegal. (That’s because they historically kill a lot of people.)
Water rights from Oslo agreement. (Well, they agreed to it!)
Restrictions on Palestinian movements. Forcible separation via roads, checkpoints, walls… (Palestine is still a belligerent nation)
There are no flawless good guys here, only shades of grey. While there’s definitely room for improvement, all evidence indicates Israel treats Palestinians better than how things would be were the roles reversed. Palestine explicitly calls for genocide, and denial of Jewish rights, both popular sentiments. They too are theocratic, but far more hostile to minorities. They have a path to end all this through diplomacy anytime they want and remove most of the repressive conditions above, provided they are willing to make concessions. Without willingness for diplomatic solutions, Israel will continue to be driven to use the stick rather than the carrot and the realpolitik military situation does not favor Palestine.
Characterizing Gaza as occupied even after withdrawal, and suggesting that therefore Israel should keep providing them with supply lines even as Hamas attacks and tries to genocide them. (Absurd.)
It’s blockaded, and you know this. That’s occupied. You’re intentionally muddying the waters. Your categorizing of them being “national belligerents” is both infanitlizing and completely misses why they might be that way. It’s for, like, real reasons, like an unjust occupation and explusion.
Palestinians within Israel with full rights only exist to provide cover for apartheid.
The video explicitly talks about the people in Israel proper for the majority of it, the home demolitions and unequal treatment. You’re just wrong here.
Gaza/West Bank cannot vote in Israeli elections. (They should let the people trying to kill them and outnumber them elect their leaders? K.)
Sounds like you’re just saying “Great Replacement” demographics shit but with the local Arab population, fearing a demographic majority that might act in the same cruel ways back. A myth by the way.
Demonstrations in Palestinian territories are illegal. (That’s because they historically kill a lot of people.)
“The only democracy in the middle east” lmao. Straight fascist apologia.
Water rights from Oslo agreement. (Well, they agreed to it!)
How much choice did they have really? And the video even states they get less than the agreement (and it’s contaminated).
Restrictions on Palestinian movements. Forcible separation via roads, checkpoints, walls… (Palestine is still a belligerent nation)
I WONDER WHY
Alright man, it’s clear you either aren’t arguing in good faith, are a paid shill, are a fascist, have brain worms, or some combination of all four. It’s obvious you can’t be helped at this point.
How dare they contain the belligerent monoethnic nation that’s actively trying to genocide them. What jerks, must be racism, or apartheid, or some other shocking term you want to call their self defense.
The Arabs that stayed in Israel through the nakba seem to be doing pretty well, gee, maybe this situation isn’t about race after all, but rather it’s about safety like they have always claimed it is.
How dare they contain the belligerent monoethnic nation that’s actively trying to genocide them.
They just want to return to their homes they were violently expelled from. Yes, it would be within their rights to use violence to expel the literal theives from their homes.
What jerks, must be racism, or apartheid, or some other shocking term you want to call their self defense.
These terms are true. It is a shocking situation, especially Gaza. Israel bombed their airport, won’t let them go too far off the coast, walled them off, control everything about what goes into Gaza (hell, they couldn’t get pasta at one point), 97% of the water they get isn’t potable. The food they do receive is calorie tracked and once described by Israel as “putting the Palestinians on a diet”. They can’t get concrete to rebuild shit Israel blows up regularly. That shit is fucking bleak.
but rather it’s about safety like they have always claimed it is.
It is, the oppressor is trying to keep the land they stole from the oppressed. It also hasnt stopped, and it’s obvious that it’s a continuous project. The ones who are there now know they’re on borrowed time and many will resist.
I’ll just mention that literally hundreds of thousands of people were expelled from Palestine. You should read more about the Nakba before saying stuff like that.
They didn’t say the children were shot. They said they were wounded.
Sniper rifles will shoot through windows, interior walls, equipment, human bodies, etc
Again, as usual, the people to be mad at here are the literal terrorists committing literal war crimes by turning hospitals into battlegrounds
24 times? With a sniper rifle? Come on dude. Spare yourself some dignity and think for a second before you say something that makes zero sense.
OK. Again. 24 times??? Dude. It’s a SNIPER. You know, the one where they say “I have a clear shot, I’m taking it”. You think they’re shooting through walls that many times that (if we assume a crazy high rate of 25% hit children unintentionally because of course they weren’t aiming at kids!), that’s still 24 * 4 = 96 shots at a hospital? Why not use an assault rifle at that point? With a sniper rifle, you watch, you wait, and you make sure you have a shot before taking it. If you miss, you regroup. There’s no mention of a high value target, no mention of Hamas activity inside. If they had that intel, it would be on the news for sure.
No. Not ONCE have they actually confirmed that the target they’re after was killed. Every target is a valid target if they say so after the fact. The hospital they bombed and were so sure had a tunnel, was not true .
Sure, Hamas is a rebel force to Israel but the sheer number of collateral damage to kill even a single Hamas soldier is completely out of this world. Even in this scenario, 1 person killed, 24 wounded by sniper fire, and they didn’t even confirm who the target was or if they got him.
This is strong evidence that what I’m saying is exactly correct. Idk why you think it isn’t.
In what universe does a sniper miss 24 times.
Exactly! They were aiming for children!
What kind of sniper shoots into walls etc enough times to wound that many children?
I don’t get what you’re not understanding about this.
“The Jews are both so brutal and strong that they purposely aim at children in hospitals and so pathetically weak that none of those children died.”
You’re really nailing the whole Goebbels angle here.
That’s exactly right. Shoot to maim, cripple the hospital infrastructure to prevent aid, anaesthetics, water etc. To be provided so that they suffer the most gruesome pain as doctors struggle to treat them.
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Because you clearly love terrorism.
Where did I imply I am happy about anything going on in this entire situation?
I am not arguing out of team loyalty. I’m correcting people saying incorrect things.
The IDF are not comic book villains. They’re an army fighting battles in a very populated city. What is happening is exactly what everyone said would happen.
It is not some weird child sniping event. It’s a fucking war zone and this is a tragedy. A tragedy that could have been prevented if terrorists weren’t fighting from within a hospital.
Do I think this could be handled better? Hell yes. Why the fuck are there still people in said hospital? Why was the first move upon approaching not to fortify somewhere nearby and invite all those people to come be protected?
You can be an asshole commanding troops to advance without protecting civilians without being a comic book villain.
With how intense this situation has become among people, I am of the belief that taking a bad thing and using language that magnifies it as much as possible is a bad idea. I’m arguing against doing that, and instead discussing reality.
Lol, are you joking?
No, rather I am correct.
What percentage of the children do you think were ‘accidentally’ shot by snipers?
I think few to no children were shot, but many were injured via indirect means, as I think I pretty clearly lay out.
At the very minimum, it would be a rare occurrence for so many children to only be wounded if shot by a snipe rifle. It is unlikely, in general, that the wounds were from sniper rounds.
So they got injured running from sniper fire? Did the sniper pull off some James Bond shit and shoot a dangling object to fall on them?
Idk if you know this but sniper rifles are pretty powerful and fuck things up.
Yeah, what you’re aiming at.
So clearly not aiming at children. Thanks.
So one guy dead, no guarantee he was even a fighter. 24 kids injured. Some other adults, also no idea if they were fighters. How tf is that reasonable collateral for a sniper? This was clearly intentional.
You’re acting like someone did the math before opening fire lol
It’s a war zone man
That is literally the point of snipers, man-- high precision, calculated strikes at long range. Doing the math of how far a bullet will drop between your location and the target, calculating how long it will take the bullet to reach your target after you pull the trigger, judging if there is possible collateral damage, and waiting to make your shot until several variables align is all part of the job because sniping is literally math. I’m sure you know all that, though, because here you are saying that you know, in general, how sniper rifles work.
I don’t understand what you’re not understanding here lol
I’ve already typed out a comment and you said TLDR. You are the master of your own ignorance, bud.
Bro he’s literally shooting at dozens of kids in a hospital, this is war crimes 101
I do feel like I’m teaching a 101 course, yes.
This comment makes no sense at all, dude. How in this wide world do you reckon an Israeli sniper would injure a child in a distant Gazan hospital, if not by shooting?
Shoots through a window. Kills a man. Bullet keeps going. Hits a respirator.
Or glass. Or debris. Or severs a power line.
And all of those things can only happen after an IDF sniper fires their rifle. You’re trying to say that these were accidents, but snipers don’t accidentally aim down the scope then oopsydaisy their finger onto the trigger.
No, they kill the people shooting at their forces.
Thus, it is the fault of the terrorists taking refuge in hospitals (again, a literal war crime), when collateral damage from a sniper round occurs.
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Thats correct , the IDF are the terrorists in this case. Reminding us what the literal and internationally recognised and ratified definition of terrorism and war crimes are . Nothing justifies this barbarity. They are the invaders, they could choose to walk away from the hospitals and the schools and the families and the innocent victims they are now choosing to murder, “wounded” as you claim isn’t a big deal, mentally torture, abuse and eventually further radicalise against them. Perhaps thats the intention , because the goal sure as hell isn’t peace. This is anti civilization and the world is watching. No one wins from this pornographic inhuman behaviour.
Pornographic?
Hamas set up a base inside that child’s skull and we had to take it out
Those children really had it coming for being at a hospital. Thankfully the IOF never lies and is always the good guys when they murder children. It’s just their culture to see Hamas everywhere like a scary boogeyman that justifies all war crimes.
What do you think is more likely, Israelis are horrible cartoonish monsters who love attacking hospitals, or maybe, just maybe, all the many reports about Hamas actually using hospitals, mosques, and schoolyards to shield them from reprisals have some validity?
Here. While this information is available in all kinds of places, here’s a good video essay for a look into what’s happening in Israel / Palestine.
https://youtu.be/jBHAitSKtVs?si=eTe_7ZjgddQAKv2k
You may be uncomfortable grappling with the reality of it, and that’s alright.
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Thanks for the link, I learned some things. There are a lot of legitimate criticisms, and some that I don’t think hold water.
Israel has been a theocracy ever since they declared themselves to be the homeland of the Jews. As there are many lineages of Jews, and religious converts of any background qualify for Israeli citizenship one must assume they are referring to the religion and not the ethnicity when they made this declaration. A better analog than the US declaring itself the home of the white people, would be if Vatican City declared itself to be home of the Catholics, (and had a much bigger population, some of whom weren’t.) Still not great but different in some very relevant ways. This matters because the video then goes on to build a case from this faulty premise that Israel is an apartheid state because it employs systemic racial oppression and discrimination. However, this internal legalized discrimination doesn’t seem to be racial at all, in fact they have laws explicitly forbidding racism. Within Israel, what legal discrimination exists seems to be religious, or political and from the examples provided, manifests itself as:
Theocracy isn’t great but not exactly racial discrimination either, although since ethnicity and religion overlap so much on the Palestinian side of this conflict I suppose it’s easy to use it as a proxy there. Less so on the Israeli side, which is comprised of many Jewish and Arab ethnicities.
Then there’s also extralegal discrimination, something most countries have to contend with, only moreso here. Citizens of countries at war are often unsurprisingly prejudiced against the groups that they are at war with, like how many Americans freaked out and became anti-Islamic after 9/11. I can only imagine how much worse that would have become if the attacks against the US were ongoing for a century. This generational hatred and cycle of violence has gone on so long in Israel that there certainly seems to be many social discrimination issues to be addressed, at all levels of society. Certainly among police and right-wing politicians. Some examples of inequities that are not because of current laws:
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However, some criticisms they use to make the case for Apartheid I find unfair:
There are no flawless good guys here, only shades of grey. While there’s definitely room for improvement, all evidence indicates Israel treats Palestinians better than how things would be were the roles reversed. Palestine explicitly calls for genocide, and denial of Jewish rights, both popular sentiments. They too are theocratic, but far more hostile to minorities. They have a path to end all this through diplomacy anytime they want and remove most of the repressive conditions above, provided they are willing to make concessions. Without willingness for diplomatic solutions, Israel will continue to be driven to use the stick rather than the carrot and the realpolitik military situation does not favor Palestine.
It’s blockaded, and you know this. That’s occupied. You’re intentionally muddying the waters. Your categorizing of them being “national belligerents” is both infanitlizing and completely misses why they might be that way. It’s for, like, real reasons, like an unjust occupation and explusion.
The video explicitly talks about the people in Israel proper for the majority of it, the home demolitions and unequal treatment. You’re just wrong here.
Sounds like you’re just saying “Great Replacement” demographics shit but with the local Arab population, fearing a demographic majority that might act in the same cruel ways back. A myth by the way.
“The only democracy in the middle east” lmao. Straight fascist apologia.
How much choice did they have really? And the video even states they get less than the agreement (and it’s contaminated).
I WONDER WHY
Alright man, it’s clear you either aren’t arguing in good faith, are a paid shill, are a fascist, have brain worms, or some combination of all four. It’s obvious you can’t be helped at this point.
The same folks operating an apartheid and open air prison? The same ones that did the Nakba?
Yes, absolutely. The Israelis are mega racist
An open-air prison of Gaza’s own making, mind you. Probably an unwise idea to attack Egypt–whoops.
Stop spreading misinformation. The blockade started before Hamas took charge; it started at the same time as the Israeli disengagement ended.
Your source?
How dare they contain the belligerent monoethnic nation that’s actively trying to genocide them. What jerks, must be racism, or apartheid, or some other shocking term you want to call their self defense.
The Arabs that stayed in Israel through the nakba seem to be doing pretty well, gee, maybe this situation isn’t about race after all, but rather it’s about safety like they have always claimed it is.
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Do you even read the comments you’re responding to?
They just want to return to their homes they were violently expelled from. Yes, it would be within their rights to use violence to expel the literal theives from their homes.
These terms are true. It is a shocking situation, especially Gaza. Israel bombed their airport, won’t let them go too far off the coast, walled them off, control everything about what goes into Gaza (hell, they couldn’t get pasta at one point), 97% of the water they get isn’t potable. The food they do receive is calorie tracked and once described by Israel as “putting the Palestinians on a diet”. They can’t get concrete to rebuild shit Israel blows up regularly. That shit is fucking bleak.
It is, the oppressor is trying to keep the land they stole from the oppressed. It also hasnt stopped, and it’s obvious that it’s a continuous project. The ones who are there now know they’re on borrowed time and many will resist.
I’ll just mention that literally hundreds of thousands of people were expelled from Palestine. You should read more about the Nakba before saying stuff like that.
maybe if you risk shooting children you should wait with taking the shot