• Flying SquidOP
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    163 days ago

    She was still in the senate when her ship was captured by Vader at the beginning of Star Wars.

    Leia: I’m a member of the Imperial Senate on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan.

    Vader: You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor.

    • banner80
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      303 days ago

      That sums it up well. Leia wasn’t unclear about her morals and goals. She was working in government with the intention of making things better, instead of sitting outside of government and bitching while doing nothing to help.

      The baddies were sick of her constant efforts to derail their plans, so once they had enough fascist power to start going after their political rivals, they went after her.

      Being in government does not make everyone automatically a willing participant of all of that government’s policies. You wouldn’t accuse Bernie or AOC of being cozy with GOP bullshit. But people around here are very happy to blame Harris for everything they perceive to be going wrong in the gov, while casually dismissing that Trump is 10X worse at the same topics.

      • @zephorah@lemm.ee
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        143 days ago

        Michelle Obama made a speech on this. Trump is not getting demands. She is.

        Mr Concept of a Plan after 8 years isn’t pushed at all. Meanwhile, we need more details on the articulated plans of Harris. It’s quite the mismatched standard.

        Also, Biden is her boss. She’s not the boss yet. New bosses do different things with the company when they take over.

        • @JaymesRS@literature.cafe
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          153 days ago

          And they don’t publicly undercut the old bosses while being second in charge especially in sensitive diplomatic situations.

          • Flying SquidOP
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            143 days ago

            Exactly. Maybe Harris is in lockstep with Biden on Israel or maybe it would just be a really bad idea to undercut him while she needs his support.

            Who knows? We won’t know until she’s actually in charge.

            I’m old enough to remember that Al Gore didn’t rock the Clinton boat either. I doubt he would have been another Bill Clinton.

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              Who knows? We won’t know until she’s actually in charge.

              Trump Harris is just saying that to appease the Deep State Zionist voters, but once they’re in office, they’ll reveal that it was all an act and they’re actually going to do all the stuff we want. Trust the plan.

              • Flying SquidOP
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                42 days ago

                Believe it or not, we might have an idea about the sort of things Trump might do if he’s president.

                I’m sure you’ll figure out how that’s different from Harris if you think hard enough about it.

                  • Flying SquidOP
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                    119 hours ago

                    Amazing how many people here are convinced that the vice president sets and controls policy.

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                  Harris is part of the current administration and has been fully consistent on their line. So, no, it’s not different, and we do have a clear idea what she’ll do as president. She will say that what’s happening there makes her feel sad, then send a bunch more weapons unconditionally, and you’ll be proven completely wrong but it won’t give you a moment’s pause because Trump would’ve been worse, so what did it matter if what you were saying was true, as long as it helped her get elected and helped you push aside some cognitive dissonance?

                  Also, are you suggesting that the QAnon “trust the plan” line was/would’ve been valid before Trump was in office? Because it wasn’t.

                  • Flying SquidOP
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                    22 days ago

                    You clearly didn’t read this part of my post, so I will repeat it:

                    I’m old enough to remember that Al Gore didn’t rock the Clinton boat either. I doubt he would have been another Bill Clinton.

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        She was working in government with the intention of making things better

        She was literally working for an armed rebellion actively fighting a war with the aim of overthrowing the government.