• @zephorah@lemm.ee
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    142 days ago

    Michelle Obama made a speech on this. Trump is not getting demands. She is.

    Mr Concept of a Plan after 8 years isn’t pushed at all. Meanwhile, we need more details on the articulated plans of Harris. It’s quite the mismatched standard.

    Also, Biden is her boss. She’s not the boss yet. New bosses do different things with the company when they take over.

    • @JaymesRS@literature.cafe
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      152 days ago

      And they don’t publicly undercut the old bosses while being second in charge especially in sensitive diplomatic situations.

      • Flying SquidOP
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        142 days ago

        Exactly. Maybe Harris is in lockstep with Biden on Israel or maybe it would just be a really bad idea to undercut him while she needs his support.

        Who knows? We won’t know until she’s actually in charge.

        I’m old enough to remember that Al Gore didn’t rock the Clinton boat either. I doubt he would have been another Bill Clinton.

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          Who knows? We won’t know until she’s actually in charge.

          Trump Harris is just saying that to appease the Deep State Zionist voters, but once they’re in office, they’ll reveal that it was all an act and they’re actually going to do all the stuff we want. Trust the plan.

          • Flying SquidOP
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            42 days ago

            Believe it or not, we might have an idea about the sort of things Trump might do if he’s president.

            I’m sure you’ll figure out how that’s different from Harris if you think hard enough about it.

              • Flying SquidOP
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                114 hours ago

                Amazing how many people here are convinced that the vice president sets and controls policy.

                • @yankturdscum
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                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States

                  The modern vice presidency is a position of significant power and is widely seen as an integral part of a president’s administration. The presidential candidate selects the candidate for the vice presidency, as their running mate in the lead-up to the presidential election. While the exact nature of the role varies in each administration, since the vice president’s service in office is by election, the president cannot dismiss the vice president, and the personal working-relationship with the president varies, most modern vice presidents serve as a key presidential advisor, governing partner, and representative of the president.

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              Harris is part of the current administration and has been fully consistent on their line. So, no, it’s not different, and we do have a clear idea what she’ll do as president. She will say that what’s happening there makes her feel sad, then send a bunch more weapons unconditionally, and you’ll be proven completely wrong but it won’t give you a moment’s pause because Trump would’ve been worse, so what did it matter if what you were saying was true, as long as it helped her get elected and helped you push aside some cognitive dissonance?

              Also, are you suggesting that the QAnon “trust the plan” line was/would’ve been valid before Trump was in office? Because it wasn’t.

              • Flying SquidOP
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                22 days ago

                You clearly didn’t read this part of my post, so I will repeat it:

                I’m old enough to remember that Al Gore didn’t rock the Clinton boat either. I doubt he would have been another Bill Clinton.

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                  It’s always counterfactuals, isn’t it? You think Gore would’ve been different on points that he never distanced himself from and that you can’t point to anything concrete to show he would’ve been different, in the exact same way that you think Kamala might be different. So what? That’s not evidence. That means nothing, it’s purely in your head, based off vibes.

                  I picked my username and pic because I believe in basing my beliefs on evidence.

                  And another thing, when politicians do lie about their positions, more often than not, it’s almost always for the worse. Or maybe they’re sincere on the trail but respond to established pressured once in office. I remember when Obama said he was going to end mass surveillance and protect whistleblowers, how’d that play out? Nowadays, they even skip the part where they promise good things entirely, and it doesn’t matter because no matter what they do or don’t do, you’ll find a way to explain how they’re secretly gonna do what you want.

                  • Flying SquidOP
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                    Unlike the hard evidence you’re going with about a future Harris presidency? Do you have a time machine? A crystal ball?

                    Also, I never claimed to have any facts. I leave that up to the people who claim that Kamala Harris is a genocidal maniac so don’t vote for her. (Oops, too late.)