• @Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
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    Why do you support terrorists?

    The Empire has a right to defend itself

    Those Rebel Terrorists were using human shields

    The ones responsible for the destruction of Alderaan were those Rebel Terrorists, we gave a very humane 30 minute evacuation warning after all

  • @Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world
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    Vader’s death Star may be pointing right at Yavin 4, but Leia doesn’t want to support the rights of Yavin 4 natives so they’re the same

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      How do YOU force them to have agency but let Republicans do whatever the fuck they want, then punish lefties for it?

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          Who do you think is president right now? I know you probably wish it was Putin or Xi, but let’s just focus on the US candidates as they are, even if its hard. And let’s be clear: neither is a lefty, but one is much, MUCH closer than the other.

  • @frezik@midwest.social
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    Death Stars don’t kill people. Traitors who won’t give up the location of the secret Rebel base kill people.

  • NegativeNull
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    Vader’s spokesman said there was a floating planet of trash floating in space called Tatooine

  • @whotookkarl@lemmy.world
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    ‘Princess’ establishment chosen Lyin’ Leiyah is clearly just trying to turn the empire back into the corrupt old Republic and force everyone to accept all aliens including the despicable Gran who don’t deserve rights because they don’t look or act like me. I heard she was even there when Alderaan was destroyed and did nothing.

  • Diplomjodler
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    Leia made ableist remarks about a storm trooper once. Both sides are the same!

    • Flying SquidOP
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      Plus, as a member of the Imperial Senate, she’s obviously part of The Swamp that must be drained.

      (I also hear she emigrated to Alderaan illegally.)

    • Flying SquidOP
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      That’s okay. You really don’t have to go to the trouble. You really don’t have to.

    • @JaymesRS@literature.cafe
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      Is that the one where “Han” “upgrades” the Falcon to a Cybertruck because it “totally has more storage, bro!”

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        I’m just here imagining Luke getting his hand chopped off by the cybertruck power trunk mechanism instead of by Vader.

    • Flying SquidOP
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      Trump didn’t stop Jamal Kashoggi from getting murdered with a meat saw, so I guess they’re similar that way.

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      Yeah, all he did was help Palpatine build the Death Star, and it was Tarkin who actually gave the order. Do these anti-Vader people even understand what his role is as Sith Lord?

      These single-issue voters who refuse to vote for Vader just because of the Aderaan issue are just helping Palpatine. Why does everyone suddenly care so much about Alderaan anyway?

      • @davidagain@lemmy.world
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        Humorless and missing the point deliberately as usual, I see.

        Meanwhile in the real world, Trump explains how he regularly phones up Netanyahu to convince him to ditch Biden’s ceasefire plan.

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          And Biden pretends to be upset about that while overriding congress to send him more weapons, completely unconditionally. Just like how he’s been unconditionally supportive of Israel his entire career.

          Don’t confuse your conspiracy theory cope that Biden or Kamala are secretly pro-Palestine, contrary to all their actions and statements, with “the real world.”

          At a certain point, arguing that they’re legitimately trying and failing to rein Netanyahu in, when he’s completely dependant on our protection, means arguing that they are so absurdly and comically incompetent that shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the levers of power for fear that they might slip on a banana peel and catch themselves on the button that launches the nukes. They’re not idiots, they’re doing it because this is what they want.

          • @davidagain@lemmy.world
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            I love how you talk so much about the Democrats as if the Republicans wouldn’t be worse and as if Trump hasn’t admitted to phoning Netanyahu frequently to tell him not to agree to Biden’s ceasefire plan.

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              My criticism of the Democrats has nothing to do with the idea of the Republicans “not being worse.” I just believe, unlike you, that truth doesn’t stop being true when it’s inconvenient. Party loyalty has rendered you completely incapable of acknowledging reality, whether you can’t see it, or whether you do see it but won’t admit what you see.

              I’ll ask again since you refuse to answer: do you think that Biden needs Trump’s approval to stop bypassing Congress to send weapons to Israel?

              Biden shits his pants “Why would Trump do this?”

    • @davidagain@lemmy.world
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      Nope and nope.

      Guess who’s ringing up Netanyahu telling him not to agree authenticity the ceasefire? Yes, that’s right, the nation’s most popular insurrectionist and peace hater, Donald J Trump, and guess whose geriatric genocidal actions were not mentioned by you at all in a heroic act of something I’m sure psychologists have a name for, yes that’s right, it’s that loony loopy idtiot former president, losing his marbles in public on the television, yes, it’s two for two, good old (well, ok, old at least), Donald J Trump!

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        Do you think Biden needs Trump’s approval to stop sending Netanyahu weapons?

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          I think Trump has been ringing up Netanyahu regularly to argue against Israel agreeing to Biden’s ceasefire plan, like he said he is, so Trump is working to keep the genocide in Gaza going and you can’t bring yourself to admit this or talk about it while Trump felt admits it and even boasts of it in public.

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            I’ll admit it right now. Not that it matters why Netanyahu is refusing to negotiate.

            You seem to be under the impression that “negotiation” means “asking nicely and giving up if they say no.” If Netanyahu refuses to cooperate, you stop giving him weapons until he does. Obviously. How bad do you have to be at negotiating to not realize that?

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              I’d imagine they have enough munitions and suppliers for it not to matter, and doing so will simply deteriorate relations, causing the US to hold less sway with its one ally in the region.

              Nah, that’s too nuanced - just don’t give them guns and they’ll stop.

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              So you admit that Trump is actively working to prolong the genocide in Gaza and then you ignore that and come straight back with your weird logic that the people who are trying to stop him are culpable and the people trying to get him to kill more gets a pass from you, and you want me to believe you care about Gaza?! You do not, you’re just cynically using it as a political football to try and win the election for stupid, senile and angry old man Donald “finish them” “best king of Israel” Trump.

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                So you believe that Biden should be completely immune to all criticism no matter what he does so long as he’s not Trump? I should just invent a fantasy world where Biden is perfect the way you do because acknowledging reality might hurt Kamala’s chances? If I was interested in doing that, then I would’ve done it with the beliefs I was raised with, and I’d be a religious conservative. Fortunately, I’m willing to think critically and face reality, instead of putting party above truth, as you seem to be explicitly suggesting I do right now.

          • @Gorillazrule@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            Why can’t both be true? Sure. Trump tells Netanyahu not to accept the ceasefire. And when Netanyahu says no, rather than doing something to further pressure him, like making the munitions we send them conditional on a ceasefire, he just gives up and sends more bombs.

            We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of options! We asked him nicely to stop and he told us no. :(

            • @davidagain@lemmy.world
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              One of two people will be president next: Kamala Harris or Donald Trump. It’s very important for the people of Gaza that it’s Kamala, not Trump. It’s a literal binary choice that the country faces. And then there’s the denying healthcare to women of childbearing age, the mass deportations, the plan to be dictator on day one, all of project 2025, the plan to send the military against leftwingers for disagreeing with Trump, all apart from the simping, fawning and sucking up to every dictator Trump can wheedle an appointment with and who has the nous to realise Trump will love them forever just for calling him clever or strong in public. I used to think that Putin had some compromat on Trump that kept him doing his bidding, but it became painfully obvious that that’s not needed, and Putin just needs to whisper in his ear that he’s a great leader and everyone respects him, and Trump is bought, yes, all that cheaply.

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                I 100% agree with you on everything in this comment. My only point is that regardless of how badly trump wants to finish the job, Harris certainly doesn’t seem to want to stop it. And as such, she isn’t free from criticism. Moreover she needs to hear more criticism to push her into walking back her support of Israel “defending itself” by retaliating in a wildly disproportionate fashion. And the key time to do it was in the lead up to the election, because if she felt like enough people were upset about it that it could cost her the election, it had a higher chance of making a difference.

                It’s possible to believe Trump is an evil piece of shit, but also that Harris needs to improve. Just because she’s the better choice doesn’t mean she’s perfect.

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      Nope and nope.

      Guess who’s ringing up Netanyahu telling him not to agree authenticity the ceasefire? Yes, that’s right, the nation’s most popular insurrectionist and peace hater, Donald J Trump, and guess whose geriatric genocidal actions were not mentioned by you at all in a heroic act of something I’m sure psychologists have a name for, yes that’s right, it’s that loony loopy idtiot former president, losing his marbles in public on the television, yes, it’s two for two, good old (well, ok, old at least), Donald J Trump!

      • @AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml
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        Anyone and everyone who got taken in by that particular piece of propaganda is a grade A moron.

        Why are you accepting the framing that Israel NEEDS TO AGREE to a ceasefire rather than it’s something that can be imposed on it by refusing to send more weapons?

        Because you’re dumb.

        • @JonsJava@lemmy.worldM
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          Hey. Moderator here. Your attack on their intelligence is a rule violation. Please either delete this comment, or update it so you’re not insulting somebody. If you don’t in 2 hours, I will be forced to delete your comment. If you continue down this path, you will receive a temporary ban.

        • @davidagain@lemmy.world
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          (I deleted that comment because I accidentally posted it twice. It’s one of the other replies to your post.)

          NYT thinks Israel has a massive stockpile of weapons, other suppliers and actually recently exported a record value of arms in the year containing the October 7 attack and the insane obliterative war that Israel launched in response. I don’t think Israel is worried about running out of weapons any time soon, because they’ve opened up another front against Lebanon!

          You know who could stop the war today? Netanyahu. Do you know who’s telling him not to stop on the phone, on a regular basis? Trump. He even boasts of it.

          taken in… grade A moron… you’re dumb.

          I don’t appreciate being called names just because you disagree with me, and I don’t think it strengthens your case that you resort to that as a debating tactic.

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    In this analogy, did Princess Leia build the Death Star and blow up Alderaan? Ridiculous levels of whitewashing.