• @paddirn@lemmy.world
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      31 year ago

      “African-Americans Gone Wild” or "People of Color Gone Wild " just don’t seem to have the same ring to it, I guess. I’m pretty sure almost any other term you might use would be frowned upon.

      • Not all black people are African-American or even African or American, you know? I’d be way more irritated if someone called me African-American than black, since one of these is true and the other simply isn’t.

        • @paddirn@lemmy.world
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          11 year ago

          Yeah, that’s why I added the “People of Color Gone Wild”, since the other isn’t really all-inclusive. Race is so weird to talk about in the US though, it’s like no matter how you talk about it as a white person, you’re stepping on somebody’s toes somewhere. It’s like we can’t even discuss anything without the terminology itself becoming an issue, which just sort of derails any other conversations you might be having. I get why the topic is necessary in some cases, but it feels like it needlessly complicated things at times.

    • @MBM
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      11 year ago

      Just black, as in “the black version of gonewild”

    • Pyff Daddy
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      11 year ago

      Ebony, or GoneWildColor as the existing reddit community was already named.

      • Pyro
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        131 year ago

        Calling black people “ebony” is like calling white people “porcelain”. It’s romanticising their skin colour. It may make sense for things like porn, but please don’t refer to any group with that sort of name in a normal context. It’s incredibly weird.

        • Pyff Daddy
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          31 year ago

          Exactly right, but the context being discussed is porn.

          • Pyro
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            1 year ago

            Yes, but you’ve also said that referring to people as “black” is dehumanising, and then you were asked what word you’d use instead.
            At this moment it isn’t unreasonable to think the context has changed from porn community titles to your personal thoughts on how to refer to a specific ethnic group in any situation.
            That’s how I (and I assume many others) read the situation.

            • Pyff Daddy
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              31 year ago

              Yes, but you’ve also said that referring to people as “black” is dehumanising

              No. Myself, and the commenter who was being responded to, said that referring to Black people as “blacks” is dehumanizing, which it is, and the context being asked for was an alternative term for an NSFW community. Hopefully that clarifies the issue.

      • @Stinkywinks@lemmy.world
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        21 year ago

        Pretty sure they prefer black like native Americans prefer Indians. Can we call people white? I’ve never heard anyone wants to be called ebony. I only know the term ebony from porn

        • Pyff Daddy
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          1 year ago

          “Pretty sure they”…

          Nope, I’ll stop you right there. And the context is porn. Note, again, the term being discussed is not Black, which is perfectly kosher, but referring to Black people as “blacks”, which is considered dehumanizing.

          As for alternatives, the existing PoC-run reddit communities are called Ebony, GoneWildColor, GWBlackGirls, etc. Hopefully that gives you some insight.

            • Pyff Daddy
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              21 year ago

              Not exactly sure what you’re asking, but no, collective nouns aren’t generally pluralized in English, nor is the term appropriate outside of a porn context. Are you a native English speaker?

                • Pyff Daddy
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                  01 year ago

                  It’s far more acceptable than “blacks”. It also avoids the issue of associating general search terms for groups of people with sexualized contexts as has unfortunately been done to Asian women and others.

              • @Stinkywinks@lemmy.world
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                -21 year ago

                Blacks and whites. Indians and Asians. Look, it’s plural. Add an S, guess it’s dehumanizing? I think the term daddy is dehumanizing. Please, only use dad. Do not add another dy.

                • Pyff Daddy
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                  Yes, generally referring to groups of people as pluralized adjectives is considered dehumanizing.

                  Note that Blacks and the Blacks are both considered offensive and should not be used. Black people is the preferred plural form of Black.

                  https://www.archives.gov/research/catalog/lcdrg/appendix/black-person

                  [A]im to use Black as an adjective, not a noun. Also, when describing a group, use Black people instead of just “Blacks.”

                  https://nabjonline.org/news-media-center/styleguide/#styleguidea

                  This is for the exact same reason you would not refer to a singular Black person as “a black”. If you still have trouble perceiving the issue, consider how jarring the term “a gay” would seem in print.

                  • @Stinkywinks@lemmy.world
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                    -11 year ago

                    I didn’t say “a black”, context matters no? Everyone thought saying Indian was offensive and came up with native American, until realizing that is more offensive? Just because it’s plural doesn’t make it dehumanizing. Black people says blacks, I don’t hear them say a group of black people.

          • @pascal@lemm.ee
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            -31 year ago

            When I lived in Kenya, basically every one called me musungu which is used for westerns but means literally “white face”, I don’t think I felt dehumanised, but that was years ago before Chinese people invaded Kenya.

              • @pascal@lemm.ee
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                -31 year ago

                Oh, sorry, my point of view from another part of the world that doesn’t endorse your agenda is too much inconvenient for you?