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As if the Prime Video app couldn’t get any worse.
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The enshitification continues.
Cancel your sub and don’t renew it. This shit will only continue getting worse if people continue paying for it
I canceled Prime as soon as they announced they were adding ads and I let them know that was the reason. Fuck them. We moved to streaming because it wasn’t cable, now these fuck heads are trying to turn streaming into cable. Capitalism is the fucking worst.
I’m busy with work lately, but I’m investing into setting up Jellyfin, and the moment that’s running, I’m canceling as well.
Would cancel sooner, but I’m not the one that actually uses it, so this was the compromise.
Trash guides.
That’ll get you sorted.
The arrs are amazing
Yeah, I’ve got a full *arr setup so far - just need to iron out a few kinks before I can consider it “done”. Mainly just dealing with my server computer being incredibly slow with - I assume - transcoding.
If you’re steaming on your local network you should be able to disable transcoding on your clients.
Ahh, I didn’t know that was an option. I’ll give it a shot - thanks!
Man for me it’s the iGPU via Intel.
I have an i3 with an Intel IGPU and it’ll murder any transcode I throw at it.
If you don’t want to rebuild… I think a quadro 2000? Is the sweet spot for cost vrs power.
But do your own research… I’m really rusty when it comes to suggesting gpus for servers.
https://www.serverbuilds.net/ is a great resource for that stuff. They have handy transcode guides there
Sadly, my current server is an old all-in-one, so adding a GPU will be difficult. My plan is to make due for now until I can get some proper hardware.
The current plan is - rather than bringing the hardware up to spec - I’ll try bringing the spec down to the hardware, by pre-encoding everything to something like H264. (While keeping originals, since I have the space.)
Thank you for the response and the resource, though! I’ll definitely check it out!
When my server crashes… I’m going tiny. Beelink S12 Pro Mini PC, Intel 12th Gen Alder Lake- N100(up to 3.4GHz), 16GB DDR4 RAM 500GB PCIe SSD, Desktop Computer Support 4K Dual Display/USB3.2/WiFi 6/BT5.2/Gigabit Ethernet for Home/Office https://a.co/d/gZYihvd
And a 3.2 enclosure
Mediasonic USB 3.2 4 Bay 3.5” SATA Hard Drive Enclosure – USB 3.2 Gen 2 10Gbps Type C | USB-C (HF7-SU31C) Support 18TB HDD https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078YQHWYW
And you’re welcome!
Good luck!
Ditto, but Plex. I know Plex has its issues, but I need stability and ease of use since I share streaming apps with 4 other households.
Plex works on my truenas server with no dedicated gpu. Jellyfin didn’t. Simple as.
Jellyfin is the way. I’ve been running my server for 2 years now
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It isn’t “capitalism” it is that there isn’t a meaningful push back
Nah. It’s capitalism. Pretty sure.
Yeah one of these days we’ll crack the code and get it right. In the meantime, how many homeless people are there in the richest country in the history of the world?
It’s capitalism because they’re only doing this to further the never ending pursuit for more capital
I only have it because I have prime for shopping. If they were separate fees, I would not have streaming.
If you live near a regional transportation hub it probably won’t make a difference on your delivery times. We dropped prime when our “1 day” deliveries kept turning in 3 day deliveries and never saw a difference.
And honestly a lot of the stuff I used to get on there isn’t even cheaper on Amazon anymore. Half the time if I check the manufacturer website they’re having a sale or have no shipping costs or cover returns longer, something like that. YMMV, you know your situation and needs better than me.
You may as well buy from Aliexpress if you are shopping on Amazon. The only difference is the price and the transit time.
Aliexpress is great for the cheap useful stuff for around the house.
Electronics too (like LEDs, microcontrollers, and sensors not phones and TVs). Often brands have a store on both Ali and Amazon but Ali is cheaper with longer shipping times of basically a week to a week and a half.
Yeah, aliexpress is where I go to buy random PCBs for projects.
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I’m about 6 years completely Amazon-free. A key component of the switch was realizing a lot of the random stuff I’d buy (mostly cycling equipment) is cheaper on eBay with faster shipping. The irony is that the seller is likely the same one on Amazon and the items would be delivered by Amazon Fulfillment Services.
I’ve been going back to eBay more recently as well! If anything I feel more confident that what I get on eBay is going to actually match the listing, since AFAIK they don’t do the same insane “jumble all items with the same ID code together in a bin and hope all the sellers were honest about it being real” system Amazon uses.
The only reason I don’t is that I can buy a bunch of stuff from Amazon and get it in one or two boxes, instead of a bunch of stuff from all over the country in a bunch of boxes. It’s about saving a little bit of carbon emissions.
Does it make a significant difference? Absolutely not. But it makes me feel better. (Also Amazon packages are more often reusable. The boxes and paper packing are better than eBay bubble envelopes and bubble wrap encased in packing tape.)
Decades of retro game collecting experience leads me to agree :)
For me its kinda worth it. I can can next day or same day delivery, which is kinda nice when Im an impatient ass. Also I share it with my family, so we all make use of it.
If it were just me, definitely would not be worth it.
This doesn’t work for me. Regional hub is 20 miles from me. Two day shipping is now just "free shipping over $35 and takes a week to arrive.
I agree with your other points though. Amazon isn’t the cheapest option anymore. My local Walmart is actually better. I know Walmart is still a shit company but still…better in terms of getting what I need.
I live near multiple regional hubs. I have no subscription myself. It takes them 4-7 days to get my package to me.
My friends who live on the same block as me gets them in 1-2 days with their prime memberships
This includes if we both order the same exact things.
So yeah, YMMV
Yep I still get my orders in 2 days, free shipping. Haven’t had prime in 2 years
Same, and even that is getting worse. I feel like I have to fight with the search algorithm to actually find what I want for the best price. Most of the time, I could order something better from another retailer for a better price and still get free shipping. They don’t even do free returns anymore.
I notice a lot of stuff has paid shipping if you dont order the correct stuff.
Yep, you have to filter for free shipping. You also have to filter for fast shipping, or you might get some “Two day shipping (ships in two weeks)” bullshit. And then you have to mentally filter out the “sponsored” results which may not be what you’re looking for at all. Searching for a hard to find hat size? Top result is perfect, has free same day shipping, and is a reasonable price. Oops, except when you click on it, you have to pick a different size, which isn’t available in that color, costs more, snd ships out of Mongolia.
Fuck Amazon Prime.
Although Fallout was good.
Same. And I still steal Prime videos. Why hassle?
Just because I have the service doesn’t mean I don’t also have backups some items.
I hope they know I’m not watching anything on their platform.
I started acquiring my prime videos elsewhere even though I have prime
Say it out loud. We’re both pirating content we’ve paid for. What a dumb system.
“vampire.”
I’ve done the same with Netflix for years and previously had the 4 streams 4k plan up until they implemented their bullshit password sharing rules. Now I have the $6.99 plan and only keep it because my MIL babysits for us and likes to watch all the K dramas on there.
I deleted my Amazon account a couple years ago and haven’t looked back. Everyone has their own needs, but I’m just letting you know: it can be done!
Did it this last cycle. Didn’t renew, don’t miss it. In fact the announcement of adding more ads into the video service I didn’t want, but had to pay for to get prime lead to me just leaving.
I don’t pay for prime for the video though, I do it because 10 members of my family like the 2 day shipping lol the video is just icing that we honestly rarely use. Just “The Boys” and “Clarksons Farm” really
And become a pirate!
I actually get Prime TV series from the high seas even though I’m subscribed to Prime. It’s simply better UX this way.
It’s shocking how bad their ui is. I don’t get it.
The sad thing is, it’s much better than it was.
You’d see a movie, read the truncated blurb, click into it to see the full details, only to get the exact same text in a bigger font, so you’d actually see less of it.
I cancelled it the day they announced more ads.
And just about anything you try to do to actually read the description would start the movie, including doing nothing for 10 secs (because you are fucking reading the description). Till you hit the back button which just boots you back to the home screen, so you can start the selection process all over again.
Helpfully they do include IMDB scores when browsing for stuff, sadly all their stuff is total shite so all the scores are low. But hey, at least they include them.
The only way to watch anything on Prime is to make your selection in advance somewhere else and then search for it. If you type in the literal title of the movie, it will mostly be in the top 10 of the search results. This includes resuming watching something you were watching, like their hit series Fallout. You would expect the resume watching thing to be proudly the first item on the home page. OMG you actually watched something of ours, we are so happy. Nope it’s buried away on the 5th or 6th line and you need to scroll to get to it. It also happily resumes the previous episode at the credits, without the helpful next episode button. If you do manage to get to the next episode, you will need to watch the first 5 secs of same ad you’ve seen a million times (because they only seem to have the one ad on their platform) before you can skip to the content.
I don’t know what those guys are smoking, but their app is total garbage.
Usually big corps collect all your personal information and tell you it’s a good thing because they use it to make useful recommendations. That way you at least get something out of it. At Amazon they just take all your personal data and when it comes to recommendations it gives you a big middle finger. I don’t know here’s a romcom from 12 years ago, you like that stuff right? Whatever fuck off.
It is weird how theyb collect so much data yet know so little about what I want to watch.
I think Disney+ is actually somehow worse in that regard, since they have so much old content that I would doubtless watch when bored, but all they want to push is the latest reality TV shit that I have never once shown any interest in.
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Same here. I have Prime but only for their Amazon Prime delivery services, not for their video or audio thing(Amazon refuses to unbundle their stuff in my country). To make it worse, Amazon Prime Video, Atleast last I tried didn’t go to full HD(or even 720p) on Firefox on Linux, so there is no point to it.
And there is hardly an ethical concern to it. I am paying for a service but getting my hands on the material; just via a different supply chain because Amazon sucks.
didn’t go to full HD(or even 720p) on Firefox on Linux
you will run into similar restrictions on other services that use drm.
I do the same with a bunch of content. It’s amazing how I’m able to run a streaming service from my basement that’s better than Disney or Amazon.
Same. I ditched AZ once they added ads PV. After 2 20s back to back ads, I unfurled my Jolly Roger. Fuck ads.
I never used Prime Video, and I cancelled my Prime subscription in protest against this shit. Never going back.
Amazon also horrifically mangles and compresses their video for seemingly no reason all the time.
It’s not for no reason, it’s to lower bandwidth costs. It may not be a reason that benefits you but there is definitely a reason.
They don’t even want to spend the money to provide you the paying customer with HD engagement slop…
And yet peasants still using this shit service and pay for it too!
I think that’s dependent on a lot of factors. Most of the highest quality webrips are from Amazon. Pretty sure there was less audio compression on their streams as well.
But watching, you’d often see it lose all quality for seemingly no reason at all, and revert to something that wouldn’t have looked out of place on RealPlayer on a 56K modem. I had this several times, and only reinstalling their useless app would fix it.
Yeah that’s the thing is that it’s almost random. As a guy with a network engineering degree that there wasn’t an identifiable issue with my network or devices when this would happen. No idea what would trigger it. Never had the same issue with any other streaming service.
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I watched Fallout with torrentio, even though I have prime logged in on my TV.
It is insane to me how piracy is making a comeback because decision makers forgot Gabe’s lesson
What’s Gabe’s lesson?
Piracy is a service problem.
There’s a reason I use spotify and steam.
Yeah, theres a very good reason I dont use Spotify anymore. Not any music streaming services at all. Only good ol’ reliable mp3s. Their idea of “service” is to silently remove songs from my playlists as their licenses expire, and then top it by replacing “Hotel California” with the WORST cover song I’ve ever heard.
Imagine if Sony stopped selling on Steam, and Steam in response silently replaced my “Days Gone” game with “The Day Before”? I would have been so pissed. But with music it seems that is totally okay.
I miss having my library fully in mp3. I started using Deezer just for convenience, and I kept only the mp3 I have for rare songs and versions. Now every time Deezer kills a song in my playlists, I regret my decision, and I’m too lazy to rebuild my mp3 library. At least Deezer keeps the name of the song greyed out in the playlist, and if it finds another instance of the same song it’s easy to replace it.
“We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem,”
“If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate’s service is more valuable.”
And I haven’t pirated a game in I don’t even know how long now because of Steam.
TV show? Last week.
I’ve only pirated one game recently and that’s only because you can’t really get it legally anymore.
Fuck you Microsoft for killing games for windows live and killing a bunch of PC games in the process.
Fuck that BS :(
I do pirate games that I buy on Steam - just to have a backup copy in case something happens to my account. I want to truly own my media. Nonetheless, this is the only place I have paid for media since we ditched the DVD player)
Many Steam games are DRM-free, they’re just not advertised that way. Try copying the game files elsewhere and shutting down Steam, for most older games, they’ll still just work.
The games I bought were fairly new indies. Didn’t think about that though!
I’m one of the people that canceled when they announced they were going to be putting ads in prime. I’m doing just fine without it.
I’ve honestly just hit a point in life where I’m dine giving megacorps money. I stopped piracy like a decade ago because I had the means to pay for shit, but since then companies have just started treating customers with more and more disrespect, and I’m perfectly knowledgeable on how to access most of their shit fir free and with less restrictions and hassle. So Im back to piracy not fir money reasons, but FUCK YOU reasons
100% relatable. Done with these abusive subscriptions.
Yup. I’m looking for legal options to buy what I want so I can drop my last couple subscriptions (Disney+ and Netflix). I’m currently on the ad free versions of those, and if those go away or become too expensive, I’ll be more motivated to get rid of them.
I already cut out Amazon Prime, Disney+ is the next to go. I’m updating my NAS so it can hold more videos, and I’ll teach my kids how to use it instead of the smart TV. The next step is to replace my smart TV with a dumb TV…
Same mine just ended last week I think. Meh. Lately I’ve been noticing the quality issues and tricks of the junk sold on there where I am always cautious when I buy random stuff. Prime video was just a bonus, and I hardly used it anyways. This was the final nail in the coffin. I also do not want to endorse this sort of behavior so others do it.
On a completely unrelated note, the *arr suite is a pretty nice collection of services.
Same… And since I still have not replaced their firetv sticks, I know use all their advertising as a list of “here is what’s out, in case you want to sail for it”
Thank you Amazon hehehehe
Mine ends in July. There are definitely some decent shows on Prime but I’m not going to spend an extra 25% to get the same shit and I’m not going to watch their ads. Products on Amazon are near worthless so there is not much value there.
Jesus christ do these people not understand what “Pause” means? It means my roommate just walked in and wants to discuss something. It means we’re looking at the freeze frame to see some aspect of the shot. It means the same damned collection of events should happen any time a “Pause” control’s been triggered since the invention of playback.
Why are the UX people not fighting them on this? Why does design have to be about breaking everything these days?
UX vet here.
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UX usually never ever has the final say on this stuff. Product management, finance, and marketing almost always win out in most companies. Heck, in just about every agile training that is given, people are taught that product management gets the final vote on whether or not a feature gets prioritized.
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Amazon is famous for being driven by bean counters and analysts. Many of their product development decisions are driven by measurable short term incremental tests. Amazon has never really known how to build physical or digital experiences that people love.
This is one of the reasons I went to Apple TV for my streaming box.
All the streaming services seem to be in a race to make the slowest, worst looking, least consistent application possible. And Apple at least has a bit of a hand in making them reign it in a bit, and keep the players consistent.
“ooh, we’re averaging only 75% cpu use, we can cram another shitty effect in here…”
Although this pause menu crap will 100% appear in the Apple TV too. Paramount+ and some others are already doing it.
Apple does allow video apps to use their own player, and not the default player. And many of the non-Apple players are total trash.
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UX designers present to Directors and VPs; VPs and Directors speak to their C-level; C-level and Board want more money; VPs and Directors tell UX/UI team; UX team complains; designers fired; UI outsourced at 2x rate; Ad driven website achieved; Consumer Satisfaction drops; Revenue increases; Board rich; People poor; Sad
The UX people did have that fight. It ultimately comes down to “take your check and do it, or we can find someone who will”
So why are they taking the checks? Why not fight?
Have you worked for a mega corp?
There is no fighting this head on…but there are options for you know… Some compliance friction :)
I have worked for a mega corp. I fought bad decisions by arguing with management about bad orders.
As a tech friend once told me, “It’s your job to make them understand”
Did you always win?
Because it would still get built with our without them. At least this way, they’re the ones getting the checks.
I hope they don’t call themselves “professionals” then
That all sounds great.
Here’s more ads
Yes. Because when I pause to discuss a show I’m watching with someone, or to otherwise pay attention to something else for a moment, for some other sound and video to play is exactly what I want.
This makes literally no sense. The whole point of pausing, is that it’s something you do right before you turn your attention away, and that’s when they want to show you ads?
Either these ads won’t work, because no-one will look at them, or they will defeat the point of pausing, annoying the living shit out of your users. It’s a lose-lose for everyone involved. Including the advertisers.
I remember when commercial breaks were the time when you went to the bathroom/got snacks and then ran back and jumped over the couch to get back before the show started again.
But most ads don’t work on a conscious level. They’re there to make whatever is being advertised seem normal and good, like birds singing in the trees, background noise you associate with good feelings. The point isn’t to get people to engage rationally. The point is to elicit positive emotions and associate them with a brand.
The point is to elicit positive emotions and associate them with a brand.
This is super obvious in pharmaceutical commercials as they all follow the same formula of upbeat music, people either enjoying nature or a party with friends, and lots of smiling as the voice-over tells you about the anal leakage and heart failure side effects.
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Almost all the ads I’ve seen on Prime video are for other Prime movies. They never appear during a natural break in whatever I’m watching, just burst right in in the middle of a scene. They elicit zero positive emotions, and I am about to cancel my subscription.
The point is to elicit positive emotions and associate them with a brand.
Then don’t interrupt my movie or my pause time, and I won’t be pissed at you, then have a seemingly irrational anger-hate when I see you at the store, and refuse to purchase you. There are so many products I won’t buy because of this.
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When presented this way, it reads like some arcane incantation to summon some demonic monster…
Or I guess in this case to summon pirates.
Realdebrid, and stremio…
It’s pronounced “stremiOH-Sa”
and vpn… just not one of the shitty ones
No need. Usenet traffic is ssl encrypted and is just a client/server relationship, there’s no sharing/seeding. Also people still technically use usenet for text posts, so it’s not like a connection to a usenet server can get you in trouble in and of itself. I mean pulling down like 40-100GB in a weekend when I add a new show with tagged with my 4K DV/HDR Remux profile is pretty suss, but prove that shit
¯\_(ツ)_/¯As long as you trust the Usenet provider to not keep and share logs, sure
I mean I’m not aware of anyone who has ever been prosecuted for downloading from a provider in the entire history of its existence. So whether or not they keep logs I’m pretty comfortable with it, yeah.
If we’re going to get into hypotheticals like that you shouldn’t pirate anything ever. If the cops banged on my door with a warrant I could easily flush a ten strip and some mdma before answering the door. I’m not degaussing 80+TB of media before they take my door off its hinges.
Wouldn’t encrypting the drivers and shutting it all down by a single button press work just like flushing the loo?! 🤔
And it all will still be recoverable, but by you only.
I mean yeah. I’m not worried about the cops serving a warrant on me for downloading pirated media though, so my NAS isn’t encrypted.
No need for VPN with usenet
What if the Usenet provider is compromised?
Your chances of this is about the same as the VPN provider being compromised of not lower.
Have you ever heard of anyone at all get in trouble for using usenet due to the provider being compromised?
Hell, most providers have a European endpoint. Just use that if that paranoid.
Citation on the first paragraph 😂. Both are definitely weak points. Personally I just yolo torrents on my own IP. The only thing that happens here is an angry letter in the mail anyway. Only time I ever got one was when I redeployed Medusa and I oopsed and had public trackers enabled from the default config.
Yarrr matey, fair winds and following seas to you!
This deal keeps getting worse all the time.
Pray they don’t alter it any further
Or just fucking cancel it.
This 100% discretionary and somehow these clown companies are able to act as if this is like rent or food.
At some point plebs need to own their pathetic consumption patterns. Nothing will change otherwise.
I’ve been screaming this into the void for years and always get shot down. It’s almost like people like to be abused. I saw how bozo destroyed business after business in the early years and have been avoiding it fairly well, I will go without my special not necessary “toy” until I find it local, which is getting harder and harder sadly as the convenience is killing local business
always get shot down. It’s almost like people like to be abused.
I still can’t tell of these people are that poorly educated or are they just bad faith actors. Online it easy to assume bad faith actor but when you meet this people in real life… it is just sad seeing an adult man thinking like that.
The usual reason given is convenience “I can get it all in 1 place, instead of driving/bussing around town looking for the local option”. I am looking for a usb mic with a short wire to attach to my vr headset so I can stop killing peoples ears with hard P and similar. My local computer store doesn’t carry any mics like I need only the desktop professional ones, nor any nearby local stores either. My only real option is to either go to Best Buy or Bozo. sigh
kinda of a clown world where the little guy now is Best Buy lol This is an example where market conditions has been set, you can’t really vote your way out with money :/
Walmart only thing keeping Amazon retail in check.
There’s an easy solution for that.
Cancel it. Stop buying things from Amazon. Stop giving that awful company your money.
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Any streaming service that tries to combine ads+sub is just as greedy as cable TV and I can’t support that kind of shitty business practice. Ads free or sub no ads. Cancelled each service as they rolled out that trash. Currently only subbed to Criterion and thinking of resubbing to Shudder.
It’s easy though, just pay an extra 36 bucks per year, bringing your total prime sub cost to 176 bucks per year, very reasonable!
Once. It’ll better be one hell of an ad because it will lose them my subscription. I stopped watching television back in the late 90s because of all the ads, before even I had internet to watch pirated media. I don’t wear clothes with too visible logos. Just saying to illustrate how this ain’t an empty threat.
Losing a single customer probably doesn’t matter to them. But I hope Im not the only one?
I’d been looking for the nudge to cancel and the last round of ads did it for me.
Just cancelled my prime today. I don’t watch the video, just use it for delivery
It said “But you’ve save €247 with your prime account since the start!”
Over the last six years I’ve paid about €270 for the prime subscription
Fuck off Amazon
Only reason I still have prime is simple - diapers. I save enough on them alone to justify it. But once that’s done (another year-ish), I don’t think it will be worth it anymore.
And yet, I still don’t use prime video. It’s just not a good experience, and obviously getting worse. And as I have kids, the management of what I’m ok with them seeing is way easier on JF than prime video.
Only makes it worse to remember that Amazon killed diapers.com by selling under cost until they couldn’t hold on any more and more we’re all worse off.
Why not Costco instead? It’s $65 for a year, and you’d probably make that up on diapers alone in that first year. You need to actually go pick them up so it wouldn’t work if you don’t live near a Costco.
There are also other bulk stores as well, depending on your area. Look around, Amazon is rarely the best price, they’re just the most convenient since they have pretty much everything.
Because that would be a 40 minute drive. And there is a BJs… About 1/4 mi away from the Costco.
No, there aren’t bulk stores near me.
That’s too bad. I live like 2 miles from a Costco, and there are like 3 more within 20-25 min drive.
(another year-ish)
Glad to hear the IBS is clearing up
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I watched Into The Spiderverse on Netflix yesterday. The audio was in English but the visuals were in German, which given the style was very distracting. I could not change the video source.
Piracy has always been a better experience, it was just more work for a short time.
For us it comes for free from the prime account. I still refuse to watch anything on Prime video, but I believe I’m not pirating because I technically do have access to all these movies/shows. That’s logical right?
Why pay for the prime account? What are you getting out of it?
Have you done the math of what you could do with $140 per year instead?
Can’t speak for them but in my part of the country shipping fees are pretty high, so prime was actually a great thing when they started doing it here, I do save more than I would if instead I shopped for a slightly cheaper version with crazy high shipping in another store.
