As a sysadmin, I concur. Though the Neo panel in the bottom right should have also been another middle finger. If not that, then the Curb Your Enthusiasm meme where he’s like “Fuck you, and I’ll see you tomorrow” lol.
Agreed. I usually say developer because I view engineers as people who do actual engineering. I’m more of a plumber who fits pipes (pieces of software) together.
Iirc it’s full blown illegal to call yourself an engineer in Canada unless you’re a licensed engineer. Meaning that if you marketed yourself as a software engineer without an engineering license, you could technically get in trouble. Not that I think they really enforce that for “Software Engineer”.
Thankfully there’s been a recent trend of companies pulling back out of the cloud because reality set in and they’re neither saving money nor getting a better experience than they had with their on-prem solutions.
So, if that trend holds, we’ll hopefully go from endangered to merely threatened.
I have two weeks left as a sysadmin and I’m transitioning to development. My experiences in sysadmin are a big reason I got in the door with little coding experience. A lot of devs don’t have an in depth knowledge about computers outside of programming, and knowing that extra stuff can certainly raise the ceiling.
Gosh the QA column is depressingly accurate for shitty game companies.
The best thing to take away from this meme isn’t “lol QA dumb” or “lol Designers eat paint” it’s “fuck, what kind of toxic asshole legitimately feels this way about their coworkers” and yea, they exist - I’ve met them. Don’t be one of those assholes.
Nah, that dude died and left a logic bomb to delete all his scripts. All that’s left is the weird imitation an intern cobbled together from observing the first dude.
That’s where the term comes from originally. The song Stan. Then in the mid '00s and '10s the K-Pop fans got so aggressive they started referring to them as “armies” and “Stans.”
A “Stan” is a super fan that is so obsessed that they’ll do irrational things if they feel that they or their obsession is being threatened.
Having been a sysadmin you would be surprised at both the amount of times I had to explain why we couldn’t just put an unprotected endpoint outside the firewall and also how much alcohol I drank to cope with the former.
It is like being builder to architects that think you can have a second story just floating in midair. I am baffled by how ignorant of the basics of infrastructure many developers are.
Obviously I don’t expect a website dev to know the details of like iptables configs for load balancing with failover or whatever. Or even be terribly familiar with how to set up a production web server. I do expect people to know stuff like every computer on the internet is under constant attack from scripts. Or that taking advantage of peoples’ trust and leaking their data is bad actually.
Averages are fun. It’s likely Opsy roles do have the highest average. But it’s also very true that devs have the highest ceilings. There’s just very few devs making 600+ and the majority at 120-150. Then there is an absolute shit load of opsys making 160-200. So in ops you hit the ceiling super fast while the occasional dev just keeps rocketing to bullshit pay but the averages are what they are
(Hiring manager for devops. I get the raw data through a corporate data broker)
Only people I ever have a problem with are Project Managers. I have had way more bad experiences with utterly psychotic PMs than PMs who are actually good at their job. Everybody else is super cool, but I swear all of you are alcoholics. At least Sales pays for the drinks?
Yup, before I went into tech I worked at an architecture firm and we had this one absolutely amazing PM from Australia who was smart, a clear communicator, and so much more on top of his shit then any other PM, and he burnt out and quit and moved back to Australia after like 2 years because they just kept throwing him into the absolute biggest messes since he was clearly the best at cleaning them up.
He’s also the one who I got drunk at an airport bar with and just repeatedly urged me to leave the company and go somewhere well run … there were pretty clear signs he wasn’t enjoying his assignments.
Ohhh that’s me right now. I work in a consultancy and I only got assigned to projects that are on fire. It’s almost 24 months without a gap between projects. Help me ಥ_ಥ
Put your foot down, establish boundaries, and take a well deserved vacation with 0 communication to work while on it. Otherwise, I would start looking somewhere else. Your health is more important.
Edit: Also, hit them a few times with your Wabbajack for me.
“For those of us who are about to die, we salute you!”
I’m hoping you’re not just an employee of that consultancy, but a contractor instead, and that you charge a good hourly rate, considering the situation you’re in.
Is “IT” a general term for tech workers in some places? I keep seeing people refer to it as such, but where I am, it is a term which primarily describes networking and infrastructure professionals.
Yes, that is consistent with my understanding - networking and infrastructure. Engineering and management is generally not considered IT where I am unless they are directly supporting networking and infrastructure. But someone writing code for a game or app wouldn’t be IT.
Software devs and designers usually fall under IT is my understanding but I can see why many people/places would make the distinction. Especially for companies that only write software, their IT would more be the infrastructure, but if they’re only writing software for in house use that’s more on the IT side. I could be completely wrong about this too, just how I saw them grouped.
The wiki link states software to be included in the definition. Management is not IT of course, but as there exists management in IT is used in the image I’d guess.
Right, there is definitely a software side of IT, but not all software is IT adjacent. IT software is really a very small field these days, compared to software in general.
Network engineering is kind of in the middle where you take the skill set of help desk and office management. This often leads to help desk and software development both falling under the organization in information technology. Application support also often falls under this category.
At the cost of getting new sysadmins who are less numerous, but ask for more money, and best of all, you get to pay Microsoft and Amazon to train them!
“Yeah we’re familiar with this issue design, and have opened 17 support requests and upvoted 5 user voice posts to Microsoft about it. But hey we have this workaround that is not maintainable that you can use meanwhile”
It’s almost like marketing makes it sound like it’s a fully-managed, worry-free service where users can just call up Bill Gates himself instead of hundreds of management portals someone has to babysit.
They said that about computers going to make books disappear forty years ago… They never printed so many books that attempted to explain how those damn computers worked!
The entire sys admin column is so on point!
As a sysadmin, I concur. Though the Neo panel in the bottom right should have also been another middle finger. If not that, then the Curb Your Enthusiasm meme where he’s like “Fuck you, and I’ll see you tomorrow” lol.
A fellow sysadmin, I thought we went extinct. I had to pivot to “infrastructure engineer” but it’s basically the same thing nowadays.
Job titles in IT don’t mean anything these days.
In particular, the term “engineer” has been butchered beyond recognition.
Wait so you’re telling me I’m NOT an engineer?
Agreed. I usually say developer because I view engineers as people who do actual engineering. I’m more of a plumber who fits pipes (pieces of software) together.
Digital archaelogist here.
Warm greetings to you from the Customer Success Evangelist.
That sounds like an actual job title, that works alongside a React Ninja. What do you do, exactly?
My first job was as an “engineer”.
I spent most my time resetting passwords and setting up Outlook…
Are you licensed by the state? There’s your answer!
These days it’s more “do you have an engineering degree from an accredited University.”
The vast majority of engineering diplomas are not in licensed areas.
Iirc it’s full blown illegal to call yourself an engineer in Canada unless you’re a licensed engineer. Meaning that if you marketed yourself as a software engineer without an engineering license, you could technically get in trouble. Not that I think they really enforce that for “Software Engineer”.
I’m an analyst. I’ve never analyzed anything.
I’m an architect, I’ve never designed a house.
Not quite extinct, but endangered.
Thankfully there’s been a recent trend of companies pulling back out of the cloud because reality set in and they’re neither saving money nor getting a better experience than they had with their on-prem solutions.
So, if that trend holds, we’ll hopefully go from endangered to merely threatened.
Keep up the good fight my friend. We shall rise again.
Rise again you shall, from the ash of the burning sky.
There are dozens of us! Dozens!
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Didn’t you guys morph into DevOps?
DevOps on the resume, Sysadmin in my heart forever.
My title has changed so many times, Sysadmin is so much easier and to the point.
I have two weeks left as a sysadmin and I’m transitioning to development. My experiences in sysadmin are a big reason I got in the door with little coding experience. A lot of devs don’t have an in depth knowledge about computers outside of programming, and knowing that extra stuff can certainly raise the ceiling.
My position is still called sysadmin shrugs
I was a sysadmin, once…Not for long.
As a seasoned sysadmin, I approve.
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Non potato version
Thank you! I squinted so hard. 😖
Project Manager x QA = The TA… I thought it was astronauts floating around in space or some shit lol.
Gosh the QA column is depressingly accurate for shitty game companies.
The best thing to take away from this meme isn’t “lol QA dumb” or “lol Designers eat paint” it’s “fuck, what kind of toxic asshole legitimately feels this way about their coworkers” and yea, they exist - I’ve met them. Don’t be one of those assholes.
The “qa as seen by dev” pic should be this Jessie meme.
The QA as seen by QA pic should be this Dr strange meme.
I feel like this one really deserves to be in there
this is how i see other sysadmins when they explain their 30yr old bash script that does everything.
Hey, that’s completely unfair!
It’s only 10 years old.
The one originally written in COBOL?
Nah, that dude died and left a logic bomb to delete all his scripts. All that’s left is the weird imitation an intern cobbled together from observing the first dude.
Should have been rewritten in perl for maintainability tbqh!!
The lone wolf dev who hasnt been seen for 3 months explaining how the new microservices he created all integrate together
Bingo knows everyone’s name-o.
LOL. I’m assuming that would be how everyone but the project managers see project managers?
That’s just how everyone sees the client
How I see the DBAs
So I had finger dude twice when I made this, but I edited it in just for you
https://i.imgur.com/zQwuzXm.jpeg
“Linux Stan”?
You know, you can just google a term you don’t know instead of acting confused. Just saying.
I don’t know what people mean with
How do you define “Linux Stan”? I know the music video “Stan”, by Enimem, but that’s it.
That’s where the term comes from originally. The song Stan. Then in the mid '00s and '10s the K-Pop fans got so aggressive they started referring to them as “armies” and “Stans.”
A “Stan” is a super fan that is so obsessed that they’ll do irrational things if they feel that they or their obsession is being threatened.
God that is such a cunty thing to say.
What is?
That’s how HR sees everyone
As a developer, I see sysadmins/devops as black magic masochists
I choose to take that as a compliment (if it wasn’t). lol
As a DevOps guy, I can tell you we’re black magic sadists. You should feel the pain. Not us.
Pls no. I can only take so much Terraform
Did you even try to validate before creating that PR???
PR?
git checkout main && git pull branch && git push --forceI refer to our sysadmin as a BOFH and he doesn’t seem to mind. The younger devs don’t know the term without googling it.
The sysadmin column feels so right.
He’s probably secretly delighted, although of course he’d never tell you that.
What’s BOFH? Bitch Ole Fucking Hippie?
Edit: Ah, bastard operator from hell.
Bastard Operator From Hell
I prefer yours
BOFH excuse generator
I sense a theme, when it comes to the sysadmins.
Having been a sysadmin you would be surprised at both the amount of times I had to explain why we couldn’t just put an unprotected endpoint outside the firewall and also how much alcohol I drank to cope with the former.
It is like being builder to architects that think you can have a second story just floating in midair. I am baffled by how ignorant of the basics of infrastructure many developers are.
Obviously I don’t expect a website dev to know the details of like iptables configs for load balancing with failover or whatever. Or even be terribly familiar with how to set up a production web server. I do expect people to know stuff like every computer on the internet is under constant attack from scripts. Or that taking advantage of peoples’ trust and leaking their data is bad actually.
Daniel?
What are the odds of that working? You think I’d leave myself open to a simple brute force collision attack?
Also all sysadmins share a hive mind.
I guess the hive Mind saves on the booze. It’s after 5 in some sysadmin’s time zone
One might note they also have the highest average income
Fuck no we don’t.
Averages are fun. It’s likely Opsy roles do have the highest average. But it’s also very true that devs have the highest ceilings. There’s just very few devs making 600+ and the majority at 120-150. Then there is an absolute shit load of opsys making 160-200. So in ops you hit the ceiling super fast while the occasional dev just keeps rocketing to bullshit pay but the averages are what they are
(Hiring manager for devops. I get the raw data through a corporate data broker)
How dare you accuse salary.com of lying to me?!?!?
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OMG yes we need a customer addition and a security addition. It’s so hard to find a place to work with a competent AND reasonable ISSM
As a sysadmin, the sysadmin parts are 100% true
Not exactly, at least for me QA is my best friend, makes my job much easier.
Joking aside, I have a lot of respect for quality QA, and developers who actually listen to and work with their target audience and operations teams
Only people I ever have a problem with are Project Managers. I have had way more bad experiences with utterly psychotic PMs than PMs who are actually good at their job. Everybody else is super cool, but I swear all of you are alcoholics. At least Sales pays for the drinks?
A good PM is rare because as soon as you get one, they’ll get poached within a few months.
Or burned out because they get pulled into every project that’s gone off the rails.
Yup, before I went into tech I worked at an architecture firm and we had this one absolutely amazing PM from Australia who was smart, a clear communicator, and so much more on top of his shit then any other PM, and he burnt out and quit and moved back to Australia after like 2 years because they just kept throwing him into the absolute biggest messes since he was clearly the best at cleaning them up.
He’s also the one who I got drunk at an airport bar with and just repeatedly urged me to leave the company and go somewhere well run … there were pretty clear signs he wasn’t enjoying his assignments.
Your failure to provide a reliable source for your claims is not my problem.
If you cannot provide a reliable source of your claims, your claim will be dismissed.
Ohhh that’s me right now. I work in a consultancy and I only got assigned to projects that are on fire. It’s almost 24 months without a gap between projects. Help me ಥ_ಥ
Put your foot down, establish boundaries, and take a well deserved vacation with 0 communication to work while on it. Otherwise, I would start looking somewhere else. Your health is more important.
Edit: Also, hit them a few times with your Wabbajack for me.
“For those of us who are about to die, we salute you!”
I’m hoping you’re not just an employee of that consultancy, but a contractor instead, and that you charge a good hourly rate, considering the situation you’re in.
This tracks, my new boss used to be a PM, and she’s God awful.
That customer is missing y’all.
As someone who has been working in IT for 20+ years this is completely inaccurate except for the sys admin column.
Found the SysAdmin
Is “IT” a general term for tech workers in some places? I keep seeing people refer to it as such, but where I am, it is a term which primarily describes networking and infrastructure professionals.
Yeah, it’s a generic term here that encompasses most tech jobs
IT stands for Information Technology. Relevant Wikipedia link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_technology
Yes, that is consistent with my understanding - networking and infrastructure. Engineering and management is generally not considered IT where I am unless they are directly supporting networking and infrastructure. But someone writing code for a game or app wouldn’t be IT.
Software devs and designers usually fall under IT is my understanding but I can see why many people/places would make the distinction. Especially for companies that only write software, their IT would more be the infrastructure, but if they’re only writing software for in house use that’s more on the IT side. I could be completely wrong about this too, just how I saw them grouped.
The wiki link states software to be included in the definition. Management is not IT of course, but as there exists management in IT is used in the image I’d guess.
Right, there is definitely a software side of IT, but not all software is IT adjacent. IT software is really a very small field these days, compared to software in general.
Network engineering is kind of in the middle where you take the skill set of help desk and office management. This often leads to help desk and software development both falling under the organization in information technology. Application support also often falls under this category.
Someone should make a ven diagram.
The great promise of the cloud was to outsource sysadmins to be Microsoft and Amazon’s problem.
At the cost of getting new sysadmins who are less numerous, but ask for more money, and best of all, you get to pay Microsoft and Amazon to train them!
Not only that, but it’s no longer your problem when its in the cloud. You can blame the cloud for everything!
“Yeah we’re familiar with this
issuedesign, and have opened 17 support requests and upvoted 5 user voice posts to Microsoft about it. But hey we have this workaround that is not maintainable that you can use meanwhile”That absolutely was a huge part of the marketing pitch, but as one who supports his company’s cloud infrastructure…
Lol. Rofl. Lmao even.
Maybe that works for places that don’t have heavy tech needs. Maybe.
Sounds oddly familiar. Cloud ops at an msp BTW
It’s almost like marketing makes it sound like it’s a fully-managed, worry-free service where users can just call up Bill Gates himself instead of hundreds of management portals someone has to babysit.
They said that about computers going to make books disappear forty years ago… They never printed so many books that attempted to explain how those damn computers worked!
Microsoft when you don’t pay out the ass for support:
I feel like this is more “how we feel we get perceived by others” moreso.
I try and perceive all the members of my team as, well, my team. I heavily appreciate everyone busting their assess off and contributions.
However, there are folks on each layer that do actually treat others like this and I think we can all agree those people suuuuck.
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