• BarqsHasBite
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    3311 months ago

    So how would that work with Lemmy? If a company demands the IP of users?

    • Rikudou_SageA
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      2311 months ago

      Guess that depends on the instance. Mine will sadly have a technical issue which corrupted the database.

    • recursive_recursion [they/them]
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      11 months ago

      For our instance we’ve answered that here:

      Reddit might be forced to hand out IPs of users frequenting piracy subreddits: how does programming.dev compare?

      edit: just wanted to share a great observation that was made by UlrikHD in our admin channel:

      “So if a company wanted to demand the ip of every member on a piracy community, they would have to contact every instance federated with that community then
      good to know”

      • @bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        3611 months ago

        IANAL but withholding evidence from a court order can hold you in contempt of court. I remember hearing a story of a person who was accused of having CSAM on an encrypted hard drive, and refused to decrypt it, and is in jail until he decrypts it. Just because you’re a person doesn’t mean you can ignore a warrant.

        • originalucifer
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          information itself is a liability. best to have a policy of ‘we keep no IPs in logs, so are happy to hand over whatever’… dump data the moment you dont require it

          • @Tangent5280@lemmy.world
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            2711 months ago

            yeah, this sounds like a much more sustainable solution. Do it the way signal does it. Collect as little as necessary, and delete it as soon as you dont need it.

          • @cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de
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            711 months ago

            Just store what logs you need on a ram drive. The logs will be gone the instant the server shuts down and there is no way to recover them.

            • @nevemsenki@lemmy.world
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              611 months ago

              Downsides include : if any intrusion happens on the server, red team just needs to reboot it to wipe evidence.

              • Perhyte
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                If they have the root access typically needed to reboot a server1 they could also just wipe the logs without rebooting.

                1: GUIs typically have a way to reboot without such privileges, but those are typically not installed on machines just used as servers.

        • Davel23
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          I looked into that guy somewhat recently, he was in jail for something like five years then eventually released. Kind of a sickening situation all around.

      • @esserstein@sopuli.xyz
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        011 months ago

        With the federation does that also mean that the ip records are replicated? Because that would be a lot of parties that can be threatened, with only one required to give in…

    • gregorum
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      11 months ago

      Don’t browse lemmy with your naked IP. This isn’t the 90s. When using the Internet, wear a condom.

      • Johanno
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        711 months ago

        As long you don’t do the “known illegal” stuff you don’t need a VPN.

        However if you upload copyrighted material a vpn is one of very many steps to ensure that the police won’t get you. A VPN alone does not provide any security. It delays at best the police

      • @Nighed@sffa.community
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        611 months ago

        Ah yes, give your browsing history to the shady VPN company instead.

        Although that would help in this situation.

        • @yamanii@lemmy.world
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          211 months ago

          At most you will get some targeted ads (if you use “free” ones), compared to fines and jail, I say it’s a good trade-off.

          • @Nighed@sffa.community
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            11 months ago

            A VPN either:

            1. Logs access/usage so it can be given to authorities. (And/or sold/stolen etc)

            2. doesn’t log usage data and willingly accepts that some disgusting stuff will be done using their service.

            1 might have to give browsing data if sued by a media company, 2 is ethnically bankrupt and shouldn’t be trusted at all.

            Doesn’t mean their not useful, just be aware of who you are giving your money to and the limitations of their protection.

    • @ripcord@lemmy.world
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      Instance owners would have way, way fewer resources and almost definitely need to just capitulate. Assuming they even had the info to share, though.

  • @_number8_@lemmy.world
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    1911 months ago

    surely it costs more to fight this dogshit legal battle, both in money and PR, than to simply let enthusiasts watch your films. they’re already handsomely profiting, why do these fucking pigheaded hogs think it is their right, it is their duty to wring out every cent they can? fuck off.

    • Lath
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      Because as lawyers, the longer the battles, the more money they make.

  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 ℹ️
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    Man even in the 90’s nobody was scared of having their IP address known because there’s not a helluva lot you can do with one anyway, and the average regular person is using a dynamic one that resolves to a local CO and not usually their actual home address.

    It was quite normal to scare the normies by having a forum signature that displayed the IP address of the machine loading the page because something that basic was enough to make them think you were a hacking wizard.

    Those who were especially paranoid, used proxies (maybe VPNs but I never even heard that term until NordVPN started advertising all over the place).

    • @hansl@lemmy.world
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      In the 90s everyone could find out your address by looking your name up in the white pages.

      Americans became crazy after 9/11 and the patriot act.

      Also, don’t use NordVPN. Worst VPN service by a long shot.

  • @sploosh@lemmy.world
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    411 months ago

    Just like having something to protect yourself if you go to a sketchy area, make sure you only visit Reddit from behind a VPN.

  • FlavoredButtHair
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    311 months ago

    Pirates will always find a way. These companies are just wasting time and money.