!piracy@lemmy.ml has also been blocked from lemmy.world.

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Lemmy.world has released an official response.

  • db0
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    To be honest, it’s not a huge deal. The copyright cartel can easily send dmca requests to your isp just for having text guidelines. Not everyone has the bandwidth or energy to deal with stuff like that.

    I just wish this wasn’t done at the request of a transphobic racist who just did it to get back at is for getting banned for making transphobic and racist communities in this instance.

    • Demigodrick
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      711 year ago

      Keep it up db0, a lot of us across the fediverse appreciate what you’ve built!

      • @mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        221 year ago

        One of the most popular instance. This is why federation is necessary and people should create accounts in different servers instead of pulling everyone to one server calling it tge “official” or “main” server

      • @OtakuAltair@lemm.ee
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        171 year ago

        At least they blocked a community and not the entire instance. This is how these things should be handled, imo

    • @Gsus4@feddit.nl
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      So beehaw was right whey they defederated from .world, there is shadiness there…

      PS: this is one of the best communities in the fediverse, good job.

      • @whats_a_refoogee@sh.itjust.works
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        171 year ago

        Beehaw’s reasons for defederation were completely unrelated to what’s happening now. They didn’t want the general public to have access to their “safe” community.

        • kopper [they/them]
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          there’s more to “the general public” besides 2 instances. beehaw defederated from .world and sijw because the mod tooling to handle a huge influx of people isn’t ready, and it still isn’t ready. (and the rest of their defederations are an off the shelf mastodon blocklist import which all instances should do imo and a few explicitly unmoderated instances. oh and porn i think)

          beehaw federates just fine with the instance i’m on, for example.

          if they wanted to defederate completely, lemmy does support allowlist federation, and i’m pretty sure their admins know about it.

      • thedrizzle
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        111 year ago

        There’s nothing shady here, just kneejerk and protectionist.

        Beehaw defederated because they they decided they didn’t want to actually moderate their communities. Easier to just screen everyone before letting them join, to weed out people they may potentially disagree with. Ostensibly to filter out hate but only a fool thinks it stops there.

  • @tron@lemm.ee
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    2021 year ago

    Fucking Lemmy.world is hot garbage. They’re down every day and are constantly defederating with any instance that doesn’t fit their narrow, sanitized world views. It’s also one of the most recommended Lemmy’s with more new users going there than anywhere else. I think it incredibly damaging in the long run to have 50% of active users on this platform to be centralized on one domain. Especially if this domain makes as many boneheaded decisions as lemmy.world

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      I think it incredibly damaging in the long run to have 50% of active users on this platform to be centralized on one domain.

      I agree, but 50% is still better than 100%. I definitely appreciate that I’m reading about this while being totally unaffected personally rather than just disappearing entirely like what happens with a banned subreddit.

      • lemmyvore
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        We badly need Lemmy clients that can merge instances even if they’re defederated, as well as the other way around, filter out entire instances even if your instance won’t defederate from them. Letting instance owners dictate what you can or cannot see is not the way.

        There are clients that will do the former (eg. Liftoff) but I’m not aware of any that will do the latter. I don’t understand why, it can’t be that hard to filter users and communities by instance.

        • Redjard
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          51 year ago

          I wanna say connect could do it for a while now. It’ll certainly come to many clients

          • CH3DD4R_G0B-L1N
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            11 year ago

            it does, but its broken. the list resets every time you close the app. At least on the full release current build

        • Buckets
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          11 year ago

          I’m curious as to what you’d need(other than a server) to spin oneupp

          • @Loulou@lemmy.mindoki.com
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            51 year ago

            Some time and tinkering.

            It’s quite straightforward (especially if you don’t use nginx or need email) to use the docker install.

            So you need a Linux box (IDK about windows) a fix IP with a port routed to your machine and some free time. Oh yeah a domain name pointing to said IP.

            • Buckets
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              31 year ago

              That’s good to know, thanks! Would love to try that some day

              • @DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de
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                21 year ago

                It’s definitely achievable and I’d encourage anyone to play around with self hosting.

                The main thing to acknowledge before getting started is that it’s an ongoing commitment, like a puppy. Getting it to work initially is the easy part, you can follow a guide and have something working in a few hours of effort. Running in to problems later on is the tricky part, automated backups and upgrades et cetera, something needs a re-start, things just stop working for some reason.

                • Buckets
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                  11 year ago

                  Ah yeah, I can imagine it’s not a one and done thing, you’d have to do a lot of support with your server, can see it being a massive time sink

    • @can@sh.itjust.works
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      501 year ago

      A lot of people register there initially to get their feet wet and move on to another instance later for these reasons. At least we have subscriptions/blocks transferring tools now.

    • @guts@lemmy.ml
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      I think lemmy.world gather the kind of redditors that like sanitized world views, the power of decentralization makes us choose an instance without those hot garbaje takes as lemmy.world.

    • Demigodrick
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      171 year ago

      100% spot on. I got called all sorts of names for pointing this out, but maybe my own fault for pointing it out on one of their posts! 😅

    • @primalanimist@lemmy.today
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      31 year ago

      I started on lemmy.world because it was the most popular server at the time and I didn’t really understand how the fediverse worked. I spent the first month sort of just learning to stop trying to think like I was on reddit. The federation feels to me like pirate TV/ ham radio, people broadcasting their visions and worldviews while rebroadcasting other stations/nodes. Each instance, has it’s own “feel”. I see the entire instance I’m on as a greater solarpunk community, which is filled with smaller, related communities of people all sharing their own interests.

      This is a memory of how the Internet was first envisioned by many people, before the corporate takeover. I am interested in FOSS, I am interested in “piracy”, I am interested in any exchange of knowledge that helps us work together, spread skills, and empower communities, both virtual and on the ground.

      But all that aside, lemmy.world is just too unreliable for it to be my entrypoint into the fediverse. Which is why I looked around and found a place that feels more in line with my own sense of hopefulness for the future.

    • @Netman@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      21 year ago

      They should have shut down registrations a long time before they gained such a majority of users.

      They stand behind the lie that “if we didn’t let people in, they wouldn’t know where to go”… as if it’s so hard to create a new registration page that re-routes people to other instances.

      I’ll never understand the selfishness of people like that. They know they’re actively hurting all of lemmy, but they want to keep all the users to themselves. This thing only works if it’s a collection of smaller instances.

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    This feels like an obvious bullshit cop-out reason to defederate against a specific community that they don’t like for whatever silly reason they can’t reveal to the public.

    Never have I seen an actual link to content survive very long on lemmy.ml or dbzer0.com. Just like the good old /r/Piracy we discuss piracy, but we do not directly facilitate it.

    Someone please slap the back of their heads repeatedly and aggressively with these facts. This excuse is disingenuous as hell.

    If you are a user of lemmy.world; RUN. NOW! Find a new instance. Switch away from them before they reach terminal enshitification velocity.

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          151 year ago

          Well, not if the communities are distributed across several large instances, no?

          Small istances don’t have the resources to host large communities

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            images are the real issue. text is extremely small and most instances should be able to handle even the largest text and link based communities.

            in fact they can’t participate on lemmy if they couldn’t because the text of a post (and all the comments) gets copied to all instances subscribed to a community

            and of course moderation can be a concern as well, but if you’re not ready to moderate you shouldn’t host anything other than a single user instance anyway.

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        21 year ago

        Only correction I offer is accounts, on small instances. Not just one on one instance.

        • @Damage@feddit.it
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          41 year ago

          Don’t worry you don’t need ten accounts, you will always be able to make a new one, should the need arise

      • thedrizzle
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        Nah. It’s a walled garden, you should know better than to trust those by now.

      • @scottywh@lemm.ee
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        11 year ago

        Beehaw is trash (and so are people who say based)…

        Be nice as a main rule? Fuck you, this is the internet. I don’t like most of you and I think you should know it.

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    891 year ago

    And just like that I learned about a Steam Deck piracy community.

    Something something Streisand Effect.

    • @wahming@monyet.cc
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      361 year ago

      TBF it doesn’t seem like they were against piracy per se, they just wanted to avoid potential liability. That said, I’ve still moved on to another instance.

      • @nsfw_only@lemmynsfw.com
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        131 year ago

        This 100%

        I don’t know why people are making this dramatic, this was absolutely a functional and pragmatic decision.

    • db0M
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      631 year ago

      Not just transphobic but racist as well and going by the posted pebbleyeet memes probably also fascist. Sad that the lemmy.world admins took the bait especially after dealing with constant ddos themselves for kicking off their own trolls

      • @Rabbit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        251 year ago

        It’s comedy how wishy washy they are on not federating with Meta despite bunch of their users saying they hate Facebook and Zuck but are convinced to defederate from us by a single post from such a suspicious account.

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          Just because that’s the post we see doesn’t mean there isn’t more to this.

          Realistically, I can see other instances doing this eventually as well.

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      I just saw the same user on the star trek instance, accusing them of being into ‘nerd shit’

      It’s doubtful they posted to .world with genuine concerns. They just seem like an agent of chaos.

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        ‘nerd shit’

        On Star Trek? Imagine that! (I’ve been nerding over there, off and on, all day) 🤣

        Incidentally, when I looked up that user earlier in the day, they account was 8 hours old.

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      Source for this person being transphobic? I’m not saying you’re wrong, I just don’t know where this is coming from…

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    I think this is better tbh, I personally don’t like it when piracy forums/sites/whatever piracy related thing goes too mainstream. Maybe it’s gatekeeping, I don’t know, I just don’t want another Z-Library incident.

    Either way, they probably aren’t even against piracy, they’re probably just lazy and don’t want to deal with any of the issues they could potentially face down the line.

    Edit - grammar

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    Lemmy.world is dogshit. It feels like a nanny instance or like a reddit 2.0. Idk why people keep joining that bullshit instead of spreading out.

    I’m so happy that I joined a small instance that hasn’t defederated or been defederated from anyone

    • @Ilandar@aussie.zone
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      Idk why people keep joining that bullshit instead of spreading out.

      Probably because they don’t understand how federation works. People are used to signing up for centralised services, so when they come to Lemmy because of a reddit post where someone said “I just signed up at lemmy.world, it’s great” and then they install an app and lemmy.world is the first instance listed, they just blindly assume that is the official/main instance that they should start with.

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    wow it’s almost like having a huge chunk of lemmy’s users in one instance is a bad thing. who would’ve thought.

    seriously though more people should migrate to smaller instances.

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      It makes me wonder if and when we’ll see clients that also act as single-user instances.

      • @Obi@sopuli.xyz
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        I’ve been saying that for a while, start a service where you can pay x€ per month for self-hosting your 1 to 5 users instance, that makes it easy to get it started via a few choices, and I’m sure it would be very popular.

        If there are any code-masters out there that want to partner with someone that can lead the vision/sales/UX aspect of it, hit me up.

        • kopper [they/them]
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          there are people that do this kinda thing for mastodon (see masto.host as an example), so it’s only a matter of time before lemmy hosters of this nature will pop up.

      • kopper [they/them]
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        instances need to be constantly online under the same domain to receive new posts. you can’t really host an instance from your home without some kind of tunnel or ddns setup, and you surely can’t host one from a potentially metered mobile connection.

        • @planish@sh.itjust.works
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          11 year ago

          Does ActivityPub not have retry with back off like email? Mail will try to be delivered for a few days before the sender gives up.

          • kopper [they/them]
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            it depends on the implementation. lemmy does have something similar but it’s not as aggressive as email and in the peak reddit migration times it wasn’t uncommon to have un-federated replies and posts from all the instances being overloaded.

            also that queue is stored in memory so if the server dies or gets updated or otherwise restarts it won’t bother with old stuff

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    Made the switch from lemmy.world the other day due to this. Not necessarily because of who they defederated/blocked, but because this happens with little/no consultation or communication with the user base. The frequency of it became frustrating; who knows what other community/instance will be blocked on a whim next?

    I appreciate that the LW admins do this as a hobby in their free time, but things like this could be approached in a better way, or at the very least with better communication. I found out about this via a post in /c/mildlyinfuriating, which in itself was mildly infuriating lol.

    Migrated to this instance, and I can choose via Connect which instances or communities I want to see. Should have done this sooner.