[‘Let me in’ - a two panel image of a man in a suit standing outside a closed metal gate, and shaking it vigorously in the second panel with his head tilted back and his mouth open screaming. The second panel also has small amount of motion blur. There is text at the bottom of both images.]
LEMMY IN.
LEMMY IIIIIIIN!
^I’m a human volunteer transcribing posts in a format compatible with screen readers, for blind and visually impaired users!^
I appreciate the work you’re doing to aid in accessibility. I’m not sure using “unkempt hair” is quite right. I would have thought this is natural afro hair. I don’t think the hair description adds to the transcription so is probably better to remove.
From a young age, black kids are told their natural hair is unkempt, and often by white teachers. The view of what is neat hair, and isn’t neat hair is very subjective. This constant unconscious, and sometimes conscious bias is not helpful. It’s often used as disguised form of discrimination.
I’m not saying this is the case with the original poster and think it was a genuine mistake, but it’s something we probably need to move away from.
I have no idea. I don’t know what it is. The point I made is still valid though. I don’t think it adds anything, and it does have concerning implications.
Bro that’s bed head I don’t care what your hair texture is, he looks like the “Aliens” meme guy intentionally so that he comes across as crazier. Plus the transcription doesn’t even mention race, so what’s the blind user of this program going to attach to the concept of unkempt hair?
Are you sure this is the reason? Did he state his reason that way? Or is that your assumption that he wants to look crazier? In a post above @BarackObama@lemmy.world said his reason was because brushing it takes too much time according to interviews. I haven’t seen it myself since there’s no timestamp, but I’ll check it out later.
so what’s the blind user of this program going to attach to the concept of unkempt hair?
The problem isn’t with blind users, but sighted users who could read that and associate afro-textured hair like that with being unkempt.
Edit: Found the timestamp in the Eric Andre interview with Larry King about his hair. Here he doesn’t say he wants to look crazier. He says that’s what his hair looks like when he doesn’t brush it. And as I mentioned in another comment, afro-textured hair isn’t meant to be either combed or brushed every day because that can cause breakage.
Edit 2: Corrected his Eric Adams to Eric Andre. Woops.
To be safe, I removed the hair description altogether. Initially added it because I thought it might’ve been part of the character’s appearance in the skit. Given the rest of the character’s appearance, I wasn’t sure if it was textured hair or just curly/frizzy hair blowing in the wind with poor image quality, and whether it was an intentional choice for the source material or just his natural hair type.
Thank you for doing this, I have good vision, but at the time I found this post the image was missing, so your transcription was the only way of getting the context of the conversion
I thought it was messy or blowing in the wind tbh, since he didn’t look like a kind of person who would have textured hair. Looking further into it, I think I was fooled by the scene’s lighting.
I see. It’s an understandable assumption to make. That’s his natural hair texture. You may see this video he talks about his hair. The thing about afro-textured hair is it can stand up and out on it’s own. No wind needed, lol (and I say this as a person with this kind of hair texture).
Yep! I guess with the image quality, I kind of assumed it was a bit like my hair was this morning (which also stood up on its own, and speaking as a person with wavy non-textured hair, was undeniably unkempt haha)
Looking in the other videos, it’s clear what I overlooked, and you’re definitely right that it’s a totally different situation. Mine looks like a total mess when it does that, because it isn’t supposed to. Textured hair naturally does that, and as a result, looks good doing it.
Thank you for bringing it to my attention. I wouldn’t have even noticed otherwise. My brain just saw fluffy hair and thought he must be in the wind. My brain is not very smart sometimes.
Yeah, honestly my mistaken assumption that he was white combined with poor image quality lead me to think the hair was just a bit messy (mine does that in the mornings when I wake up), and that it was part of the scene in some way. I didn’t want to leave out something that might be contextually relevant.
Checking out one of the other sources on the actor, the moment I saw him, I realized my mistake. Definitely his natural hair, and in normal lighting it looks a lot more intentional. His hair type isn’t relevant if it isn’t intentionally part of the scene, and that very clearly wasn’t. So it’s best to take it out.
If I’m being honest, I was a little iffy on whether or not to include it in the first place, but I was tired and fed up with Lemmy not loading properly so I just slapped it in and went for it without double checking. Looking back, probably not my brightest move. I’ll be more careful about that sort of thing moving forward.
Don’t be too hard on yourself. It’s hard to work when tired and I totally understand wanting to include the hair description if you thought it could be contextually relevant, and since you found out it’s not, taking it out is the right choice. I’m not at all experienced in transcription for the blind so when I made my suggestion of clumpy afro-textured hair, at first I thought the point of the transcription was to be as detailed as possible while also being brief, so I thought the hair description had to stay in in some form. But now I see only contextually relevant info is needed. Good to know. We’ve both learned something in this, yeah? Thanks again for the work you do and being open to suggestions. You’re awesome! 🙂
Image Transcription: Meme
[‘Let me in’ - a two panel image of a man in a suit standing outside a closed metal gate, and shaking it vigorously in the second panel with his head tilted back and his mouth open screaming. The second panel also has small amount of motion blur. There is text at the bottom of both images.]
LEMMY IN.
LEMMY IIIIIIIN!
^I’m a human volunteer transcribing posts in a format compatible with screen readers, for blind and visually impaired users!^
I appreciate the work you’re doing to aid in accessibility. I’m not sure using “unkempt hair” is quite right. I would have thought this is natural afro hair. I don’t think the hair description adds to the transcription so is probably better to remove.
It’s an unkempt afro
From a young age, black kids are told their natural hair is unkempt, and often by white teachers. The view of what is neat hair, and isn’t neat hair is very subjective. This constant unconscious, and sometimes conscious bias is not helpful. It’s often used as disguised form of discrimination.
I’m not saying this is the case with the original poster and think it was a genuine mistake, but it’s something we probably need to move away from.
Eric Andre says he finds brushing his hair is too time consuming, when asked about it by Larry King. https://youtu.be/7XR4Ml8FijM (11:45)
This question by Larry to Eric about his hair is mentioned in Eric’s interview with Talib Kweli. https://youtu.be/irzhJ4mLMF0 (28:36)
If you’re an Eric Andre fan, these are both must-watch interviews.
Bruh. It’s a skit. Eric intentionally made his hair messy as part of the “unhinged” character
I have no idea. I don’t know what it is. The point I made is still valid though. I don’t think it adds anything, and it does have concerning implications.
Edit: Additional context:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/25/black-pupils-excluded-hair-discrimination-equality-act https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/63399563
Bro that’s bed head I don’t care what your hair texture is, he looks like the “Aliens” meme guy intentionally so that he comes across as crazier. Plus the transcription doesn’t even mention race, so what’s the blind user of this program going to attach to the concept of unkempt hair?
Are you sure this is the reason? Did he state his reason that way? Or is that your assumption that he wants to look crazier? In a post above @BarackObama@lemmy.world said his reason was because brushing it takes too much time according to interviews. I haven’t seen it myself since there’s no timestamp, but I’ll check it out later.
The problem isn’t with blind users, but sighted users who could read that and associate afro-textured hair like that with being unkempt.
Edit: Found the timestamp in the Eric Andre interview with Larry King about his hair. Here he doesn’t say he wants to look crazier. He says that’s what his hair looks like when he doesn’t brush it. And as I mentioned in another comment, afro-textured hair isn’t meant to be either combed or brushed every day because that can cause breakage.
Edit 2: Corrected his Eric Adams to Eric Andre. Woops.
To be safe, I removed the hair description altogether. Initially added it because I thought it might’ve been part of the character’s appearance in the skit. Given the rest of the character’s appearance, I wasn’t sure if it was textured hair or just curly/frizzy hair blowing in the wind with poor image quality, and whether it was an intentional choice for the source material or just his natural hair type.
Thank you for doing this, I have good vision, but at the time I found this post the image was missing, so your transcription was the only way of getting the context of the conversion
You’re great for transcribing! To avoid the word unkempt, as that can be offensive, I would transcribe the hair as ‘clumpy afro-textured hair’.
I thought it was messy or blowing in the wind tbh, since he didn’t look like a kind of person who would have textured hair. Looking further into it, I think I was fooled by the scene’s lighting.
I see. It’s an understandable assumption to make. That’s his natural hair texture. You may see this video he talks about his hair. The thing about afro-textured hair is it can stand up and out on it’s own. No wind needed, lol (and I say this as a person with this kind of hair texture).
Yep! I guess with the image quality, I kind of assumed it was a bit like my hair was this morning (which also stood up on its own, and speaking as a person with wavy non-textured hair, was undeniably unkempt haha)
Looking in the other videos, it’s clear what I overlooked, and you’re definitely right that it’s a totally different situation. Mine looks like a total mess when it does that, because it isn’t supposed to. Textured hair naturally does that, and as a result, looks good doing it.
Thank you for bringing it to my attention. I wouldn’t have even noticed otherwise. My brain just saw fluffy hair and thought he must be in the wind. My brain is not very smart sometimes.
I see you edited the transcription, leaving out the hair description. That’s just fine too the way you have it now. Thank you. 🙂
Yeah, honestly my mistaken assumption that he was white combined with poor image quality lead me to think the hair was just a bit messy (mine does that in the mornings when I wake up), and that it was part of the scene in some way. I didn’t want to leave out something that might be contextually relevant.
Checking out one of the other sources on the actor, the moment I saw him, I realized my mistake. Definitely his natural hair, and in normal lighting it looks a lot more intentional. His hair type isn’t relevant if it isn’t intentionally part of the scene, and that very clearly wasn’t. So it’s best to take it out.
If I’m being honest, I was a little iffy on whether or not to include it in the first place, but I was tired and fed up with Lemmy not loading properly so I just slapped it in and went for it without double checking. Looking back, probably not my brightest move. I’ll be more careful about that sort of thing moving forward.
Don’t be too hard on yourself. It’s hard to work when tired and I totally understand wanting to include the hair description if you thought it could be contextually relevant, and since you found out it’s not, taking it out is the right choice. I’m not at all experienced in transcription for the blind so when I made my suggestion of clumpy afro-textured hair, at first I thought the point of the transcription was to be as detailed as possible while also being brief, so I thought the hair description had to stay in in some form. But now I see only contextually relevant info is needed. Good to know. We’ve both learned something in this, yeah? Thanks again for the work you do and being open to suggestions. You’re awesome! 🙂