I think about this guy and also Admiral “There Are So Many Uncharted Settlements” Ozzelfrom Empire sometimes.
My pet theory is that, from their perspective, Vader is primarily a gigantic pain in the ass. He has no official rank; he’s just the Emperor’s buddy. But he’s constantly commandeering Imperial resources, up to and including entire fleets, diverting them away from carefully coordinated military planning, because he has “a feeling” that some survivor of Order 66 is hiding out on some backwater.
So then the entire damn fleet needs to go on a side quest, possibly destabilizing some other part of the galaxy where they’re supposed to be part of a blockade ordered by the Admiralty, and Vader goes down with a platoon of expensive troops and equipment, and maybe even a bunch of them get killed or lost, and Vader flies back up to the Star Destroyer and announces “mission accomplished,” because he managed to kill one guy that no one has even heard of.
So now the fleet is out of position, the Admiral is probably all pissed off because his orders got overridden, and you better believe that neither Vader nor the Emperor is going to hand out any medals for any of this. And God forbid Vader doesn’t find the guy he’s looking for! If that happens, he’s even more pissed off than usual, and liable to cause even more property and personnel damage when he gets back to the ship. You’re trying to run a fleet and subjugate a galaxy, and the Emperor and his Best Buddy with no discernible military experience whatsoever are constantly screwing it up with their weird personal vendettas.
So it’s no wonder that the serious-minded military types are totally fed up with them, and maybe this guy figured that now that they can blow up planets they won’t have to tolerate any more of Vader’s bullshit.
Martial prowess and military high command are two different disciplines.
The latter requires skill in coordinating multiple operations running in tandem to support each other in achieving some strategic objective, dealing with the inevitable friction of things not going to plan, balancing momentum with logistical limitations while trying to cover your own vulnerabilities and extrapolating enemy movements from incomplete intelligence.
The former just requires superhuman strength, reflexes and precision aided by preternatural awareness and literally breathtaking telekinetic powers. Well, “just” makes it sound like it’s trivial, so don’t get me wrong: Vader is powerful and dangerous and will rightly have a reputation for his lethality. But those skills don’t transfer to what an admiral would be expected to bring to the table.
From their position, he’ll be a tactical weapon, a murder machine to tear a gaping hole into the enemy ranks and an even bigger one into their morale, spearheading assaults with devastating effect…
Sure, he has combat experience, but he knows nothing about occupation and running a military empire. Can you imagine Vader doing the paperwork it takes to maintain supply lines?
Might be right in general, but Ozzel did screw up. The Rebels at Hoth had little time to evacuate after running into the probe droid. The Empire could have easily camped the hyperspace exit from a distance and picked them all off. Ozzel chose to come in too close, and that made them vulnerable to the ground ion canon.
The whole rebellion should have died that day. Vader knows plenty enough about planetary sieges to figure this out.
There’s no evidence he thought of her as anything special. “I told you she would never consciously betray the rebellion” is a fairly neutral take, not overtly showing fondness or disdain.
Him having a “vendetta” against her, as you say, would not justify him sabotaging the attack on Hoth, which is the theory I was replying to.
I could have sworn there was some bit somewhere about Vader getting pissed at someone else hunting Leia because she’s his prey. But maybe that’s no longer canon, or never was, or is a Mandela effect candidate, or is a product of my own imagination – I can’t find it again, in any case.
Anakin wasn’t ever known for being level-headed and strategic, even before he gave himself over to his hate and anger. It’s plausible that he would sabotage an attack if his emotions got in the way. But like I said, the premise of my argument was a vendetta I can no longer find any evidence for, so my case is void.
I think that has too many wishy washy assumptions about the Force.
I guess you could say this whole thing is a matter of destiny, but that’s the problem with using the idea of destiny that way. You can use it to explain away anything.
True… But much, much less cooler. Would explain that picture of Muskrat standing behind Mr. Trump with arms crossed. Maybe he wanted to specifically imitate that.
It’s still the height of stupidity to tell the evil wizard cyborg boss such stuff to their face, when they have the legal right to immediately kill you (as well as ability, from the cyborg parts if biting else).
Then again, he was probably brown-nosing for Tarkin, taking a gamble that he’d live and earn points with him… which actually ended up happening so I guess I have to retract my earlier statement about stupidity when it worked out so well for him.
I am learning lately how such things do not even have to rise to the level of consciousness in order to occur. Someone can be quite gifted in such skills without ever having thought them through logically.
Apologies for a bit of a rant that probably nobody else cares about, but I have a bit of a chip on my shoulder about MAHQ (the biggest forum for mecha anime, and Gundam in particular) and how the moderators handle interpretation. There’s an assumption that everything has to be spoonfed to you or it isn’t right. It’s really dumb and limiting.
I think about this guy and also Admiral “There Are So Many Uncharted Settlements” Ozzelfrom Empire sometimes.
My pet theory is that, from their perspective, Vader is primarily a gigantic pain in the ass. He has no official rank; he’s just the Emperor’s buddy. But he’s constantly commandeering Imperial resources, up to and including entire fleets, diverting them away from carefully coordinated military planning, because he has “a feeling” that some survivor of Order 66 is hiding out on some backwater.
So then the entire damn fleet needs to go on a side quest, possibly destabilizing some other part of the galaxy where they’re supposed to be part of a blockade ordered by the Admiralty, and Vader goes down with a platoon of expensive troops and equipment, and maybe even a bunch of them get killed or lost, and Vader flies back up to the Star Destroyer and announces “mission accomplished,” because he managed to kill one guy that no one has even heard of.
So now the fleet is out of position, the Admiral is probably all pissed off because his orders got overridden, and you better believe that neither Vader nor the Emperor is going to hand out any medals for any of this. And God forbid Vader doesn’t find the guy he’s looking for! If that happens, he’s even more pissed off than usual, and liable to cause even more property and personnel damage when he gets back to the ship. You’re trying to run a fleet and subjugate a galaxy, and the Emperor and his Best Buddy with no discernible military experience whatsoever are constantly screwing it up with their weird personal vendettas.
So it’s no wonder that the serious-minded military types are totally fed up with them, and maybe this guy figured that now that they can blow up planets they won’t have to tolerate any more of Vader’s bullshit.
Ummm, Anakin Skywalker was highly regarded as a military strategist throughout the clone wars. Non conventional maybe, but highly effective
But no one is supposed to know that Vader is Skywalker, so that reputational credit doesn’t transfer
Vader is known for singlehandedly taking on armies though, which even Anakin never did.
Martial prowess and military high command are two different disciplines.
The latter requires skill in coordinating multiple operations running in tandem to support each other in achieving some strategic objective, dealing with the inevitable friction of things not going to plan, balancing momentum with logistical limitations while trying to cover your own vulnerabilities and extrapolating enemy movements from incomplete intelligence.
The former just requires superhuman strength, reflexes and precision aided by preternatural awareness and literally breathtaking telekinetic powers. Well, “just” makes it sound like it’s trivial, so don’t get me wrong: Vader is powerful and dangerous and will rightly have a reputation for his lethality. But those skills don’t transfer to what an admiral would be expected to bring to the table.
From their position, he’ll be a tactical weapon, a murder machine to tear a gaping hole into the enemy ranks and an even bigger one into their morale, spearheading assaults with devastating effect…
…but please stay out of their business.
Ohhh god vader is musk.
Dont tell him i said that, he will take it as a compliment
I was thinking Vader is Hegseth.
musky. how often do you think he cleans that suit
Don’t be ridiculous. Vader has no idea who Musk is, let alone care.
No discernible military experience, wasn’t he a general in the clone wars? Ah but they wouldn’t know that
Sure, he has combat experience, but he knows nothing about occupation and running a military empire. Can you imagine Vader doing the paperwork it takes to maintain supply lines?
Yularen knows. Which is probably why he transferred over to running the ISB and seemingly does nothing all day.
It’s likely that Tarkin does as well, given his direct interactions with Anakin towards the end of the war.
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Might be right in general, but Ozzel did screw up. The Rebels at Hoth had little time to evacuate after running into the probe droid. The Empire could have easily camped the hyperspace exit from a distance and picked them all off. Ozzel chose to come in too close, and that made them vulnerable to the ground ion canon.
The whole rebellion should have died that day. Vader knows plenty enough about planetary sieges to figure this out.
Didn’t Vader tank that on a subliminal level by sensing his daughter’s presence? Ozzel might have been influenced to screw up there on purpose
… Vader didn’t know he had a daughter at that time?
He had a prior run-in with Leia, no? He might not have known that she’s his daughter, but I believe he had quite the vendetta against her.
There’s no evidence he thought of her as anything special. “I told you she would never consciously betray the rebellion” is a fairly neutral take, not overtly showing fondness or disdain.
Him having a “vendetta” against her, as you say, would not justify him sabotaging the attack on Hoth, which is the theory I was replying to.
I could have sworn there was some bit somewhere about Vader getting pissed at someone else hunting Leia because she’s his prey. But maybe that’s no longer canon, or never was, or is a Mandela effect candidate, or is a product of my own imagination – I can’t find it again, in any case.
Anakin wasn’t ever known for being level-headed and strategic, even before he gave himself over to his hate and anger. It’s plausible that he would sabotage an attack if his emotions got in the way. But like I said, the premise of my argument was a vendetta I can no longer find any evidence for, so my case is void.
But his subconscious did. Search your feelings. You know this to be true
“Sister… So. You have a twin sister.” -Return of the Jedi
That was the moment Vader discovered he had a daughter.
consciously yes
did The Force know tho
I think that has too many wishy washy assumptions about the Force.
I guess you could say this whole thing is a matter of destiny, but that’s the problem with using the idea of destiny that way. You can use it to explain away anything.
Just change a few words in there and you basically described Trump’s first 90 days in office. Vader is Elon.
Bruh what a parallel. Narcissistic and vindictive strongmen are similar to eachother.
It’s not like there’s a shortage of historical persons to model your villains on.
or evil cyborg wizards
True… But much, much less cooler. Would explain that picture of Muskrat standing behind Mr. Trump with arms crossed. Maybe he wanted to specifically imitate that.
Bronson’s got to pay!
It’s still the height of stupidity to tell the evil wizard cyborg boss such stuff to their face, when they have the legal right to immediately kill you (as well as ability, from the cyborg parts if biting else).
Then again, he was probably brown-nosing for Tarkin, taking a gamble that he’d live and earn points with him… which actually ended up happening so I guess I have to retract my earlier statement about stupidity when it worked out so well for him.
It was still quite a risky move.
A tactical gambit, essentially? I never thought of it that way, but it makes sense
I am learning lately how such things do not even have to rise to the level of consciousness in order to occur. Someone can be quite gifted in such skills without ever having thought them through logically.
dude has balls of beskar
Behold! The power of storytelling and imagination when not every single detail is explicated upon and shoved in the audience’s face!
Apologies for a bit of a rant that probably nobody else cares about, but I have a bit of a chip on my shoulder about MAHQ (the biggest forum for mecha anime, and Gundam in particular) and how the moderators handle interpretation. There’s an assumption that everything has to be spoonfed to you or it isn’t right. It’s really dumb and limiting.