• njm1314@lemmy.world
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      24 hours ago

      Liberals believe in democracy for them and thier elite few. They’ve never believed in democracy for everybody. There’s not one liberal Revolution in the history of this world that ended with universal suffrage. Not one. When it came, if ever, it came after decades and even centuries of blood.

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        23 hours ago

        Has there been a socialist revolution in the history of the world that ended with universal worker control of the means of production? For that matter, has there ever been a fascist revolution where individual liberty was entirely overridden by capital and state interests? Don’t be ridiculous. There is always a gap between the ideal vision and what society is ready to accept. What makes someone liberal is consistency in pushing society in a liberal direction, and that’s not what we see from the Democratic establishment.

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          22 hours ago

          So liberals believe in democracy, they believe in equality, and freedom, they just never actually push for it on their own is what you’re saying? That’s interesting. It’s almost like they don’t actually believe in those things it’s just the nonsense they tell people so they won’t pay attention to things they actually believe in. Liberals believe in two things, well one thing really but I’ll say two, they believe in private property and free market capitalism. Except not really free market. That’s it that’s all they’ve ever believed in.

          Everything else, every single thing else will be sacrificed for those two things. We know this, we have 300 plus years of human history that proves this beyond a shadow of a doubt. That’s the only directions liberals have ever-pushed anything in. The only time they ever allow anything else is if it helps them achieve that goal.