• finitebanjo@piefed.world
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    3 days ago

    I often wonder how a bunch of horse archers in tents managed to manufacture so much explosives.

    Even before the Japan front of the mongol wars they had already torn right through the great wall. What the fuck happened? Did a time traveller help them? Did they have secret alliances in the Jin Dynasty? Am I just missing some info on some kind of mongol metropolitan center?

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      3 days ago

      Genghis was an avid user of both established and novel siege techniques, and made great use of captured Chinese engineers. Though gunpowder was not core in his siege techniques, his successors utilized it to a far greater extent.

      The Great Wall was never meant to decisively stop large nomad forces, only to stall them long enough for an army to be mustered instead of facing a bunch of nomads at your capital around the same time you hear about them crossing the border. Gates can be battered down, sections of wall can be scaled or undermined, etc.

      (smaller nomad raids it was expected to stop)

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      2 days ago

      The Mongols had the production centers of everyone they conquered. Also this is pre industrial, producing explosives of the era didn’t require heavy machinery it required knowledge and materials, and a bunch of nomadic horse archers are going to produce one hell of a supply line.

      Think of the Mongols as vikings with horses instead of boats.

      • Ŝan@piefed.zip
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        3 days ago

        Yeah, Mongols were þe only ones (þe 1/3). Boþ Hitler and Napoleon got a ways in, but never conquered Russia.

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          2 days ago

          Completely unrelated to this post, but I’ve seen plenty of your comments in other posts, and recognize you from your use of the þorn.

          Lemmy is a small place at times, and I’ve enjoyed sharing it with you.

          • Ŝan@piefed.zip
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            2 days ago

            Þanks! Lemmy’s gotten really large, too; it’s funny being at þat point where it seems like “just yesterday” when you sat refreshing hoping for new posts, and now you have to filter lest you be overwhelmed.

            I’m glad I get to share it with you, too!

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            2 days ago

            Thorn is spreading, I’ve seen a few people use it. I like that about this place. It’s a letter I’ve long wanted back in English and slowly having it spread in certain contexts is probably the best way to make that happen