Several prominent Chinese figures, including top Harvard mathematician Liu Jun, award-winning computer scientist and blockchain expert Chen Jing and rising AI star Fu Tianfan, have since left the US and returned to China to take up roles in prestigious institutions in cities like Beijing, Nanjing and Shenzhen.

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    Because it’s OK to ban Nazism, and punish people who spread Nazism because Nazism is against our values.
    But somehow it’s not OK to ban extreme religion for the exact same reasons.

    We need to get over the special pleading for religion. Religious extremism is just as harmful, probably even more than any other type of extreme ideology.
    There’s a reason MAGA is called a cult, and that’s because they are in denial of reality, and blindly believe harmful dogma. Just like extreme religion.

    In principle the acts of MAGA are also illegal in many ways in USA, but the law was never really upheld against them, and especially their leader. Once upon a time, treason of that kind would be illegal.
    And in much the same way, religious cults value their own rules more than the rules that are decided by society.

    Freedom of religion is considered a human right, but freedom FROM religion should be an at least equal right, especially for children.

    Nazism had roots in extreme religion to persecute the Jews to the point of outright exterminate them, and now MAGA too has roots in extreme religion, and has many of the bad signs Nazism had in Germany.
    I can understand why China doesn’t want that shit.

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      But somehow it’s not OK to ban extreme religion for the exact same reasons.

      Like Israel is doing in Gaza?

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        Obviously not, since Israel is doing the exact same the Nazis were, which is an actual genocide.
        I have not heard that China is killing off Uighur’s.

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            With regard to Israel/Palestine, both sides are infested with religious dogma, but Israel is an invader of Palestine. Israel should have no say at all on what goes on in Palestine.
            You are making a slippery slope argument.

            What I said was the religion shouldn’t be allowed “special” pleading. Not that they can’t have rights.

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              What I said was the religion shouldn’t be allowed “special” pleading. Not that they can’t have rights.

              So perhaps I misunderstood when you said they don’t have a right to exist (e.g. can be banned)?

              But somehow it’s not OK to ban extreme religion for the exact same reasons.

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                If a extreme religion is against what we stand for as a society, why then is it more wrong to ban a religion than to ban Nazism?
                I absolutely stand by my claim that religion should not have special pleading.
                Obviously Islam in Palestine is not against the values of Palestine. Palestine is not for Israel to decide over and control.
                If in society it is illegal to discriminate against women, religion should not be a free card to discriminate against women.
                The religion needs to change to respect humanitarian values, society should not respect religious practices that don’t.

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                  If a extreme religion is against what we stand for as a society, why then is it more wrong to ban a religion than to ban Nazism?

                  Gotcha - free speech is at the pleasure of the state then?

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                    Gotcha

                    🤣 🤣 🤣

                    And not even being able to answer the question. 🤣 🤣 🤣
                    Free speech is not absolute, and I live in probably the only country in the world that actually tried that!
                    Free speech ends for instance when it encourages crimes or oppress minorities, or is spreading harmful lies Religions often do all 3.