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    It was a school shooting in that it was a shooting that occurred at a place of education AND it was an assassination in that it meets the definition of assassination

    The murder of a person (esp. a prominent public figure) in a planned attack, typically with a political or ideological motive, sometimes carried out by a hired or professional killer; a murderous attack of this kind.

    Edit: For those downvoting me, please explain (in non emotive language) why you disagree.

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    The fascist media is pushing the martyr narrative HARD.

    I have to use all my strength not to scream at brainwashed family members at how horrid this person was. Mentioning the school shooting that happened on the same day or the MURDER of 2 Minnesotam democrats (and their spouses) usually shuts them up though. I just hate seeing everyone i know getting sucked into this shit. They weren’t a good person, they were not improving the world, they were dividing us. I will feel zero empathy for them. As they would have wanted

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      Did a surgeon call it a “miracle” the bullet stopped in Kirk’s body, somehow making him Bullet Jesus?

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        The dumbest part of that take is there was fucking nobody behind him. Who would it have hit if it did go through?

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          It’s a Holy Miracle! Bullet Jeebus was right there and took one for the USA! The Pope will canonize the bullet soon.

          Of course, the miracle could just as easily be attributed to the skill of the shooter.

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        Yes, Charlie had superman-like bullet stopping strength. Sadly for him, the bullet stopping layer was just behind his carotid artery.

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    School shootings are just something you’re going to have to live with in a country with a gun culture. I think I heard that somewhere.

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      Not defend Kirk, but you didnt hear it anywhere. But you would have read it plenty.

      The actual quote is this: “You will never live in a society where you have an armed citizenry and you won’t have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It’s drivel. But … I think it’s worth it. I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.”

      He gave more context to his point of view here: “Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty. Driving comes with a price – 50,000, 50,000, 50,000 people die on the road every year. That’s a price. You get rid of driving, you’d have 50,000 less auto fatalities. But we have decided that the benefit of driving – speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services is worth the cost of 50,000 people dying on the road. … We should have an honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one.”

      I personally dont like the analogy here, as it doesnt take into account that driving a car has lots of safe guards in place. You have to register your car in every state. You have to take lessons and pass a test in order to be able to drive. In some places in the US, you can just walk into a gun show, and walk out armed to the teeth with zero checks.

      In any argument, details matter.

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    Yet another example of how hollow and hypocritical all that right wing “somebody think of the children!” rhetoric really is. If he was a child, this likely wouldn’t have even made national news

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    It’s insane…. Dude was a podcaster. Yea it was sad like it is when anyone dies. Dude didn’t hold any offices or anything. We could talk about what he could have become all day, but all he was, was a podcaster that was passionate about his message. The amount of attention he is getting is ridiculous… as if he was a past president.

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      he was, was a podcaster that was passionate about his message

      And his message was awful, and he was exploiting college kids to create controversial content for his social media business.

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      He also paid for buses of people to go to the January insurrection too. Don’t sell his accomplishments short.

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          Yeah but to a lot of people “those are just words”. So I always bring up a key action of his too.

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          So? He did it the same context that all of you call for Trump to be executed. Are we all deserving of a bullet now?

          He didnt like Biden, and saw his actions as treason. “should be put in prison and/or given the death penalty for his crimes against America.” How many of us havent said the exact same thing about Trump???

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            I don’t want Trump dead. I want him in prison doing time for the 34 felonies he was convicted of.

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              Me too, but if hes guilty of treason, the penalty for that is… death or imprisonment. So some people, are of the view that death is what he deserves for his crimes.

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            nobody’s claiming that I’ve never condoned political violence or anything tho

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              Neither did he, in this context. I just dont get it, honestly. The man said some horrible shit, but for some reason, you people only ever want to talk about the shit he didnt say, or the contextless clickbait he kinda did say but not the way its being taken. Why? If you stick to the truth, you’ll get a lot less pushback. From normal people at least.

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        And he did not go there himself? What a shocker. Just another manipulator playing the Sheep.

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      I hate hearing this. He was not just ‘a podcaster’ or just ‘a guy who gave his opinons’ he was one of the biggest political organizers of one of the most disgusting american political movements. His entire life was dedicated to radicalizing youths to vote for trump.

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      He was part of the culture wars, thats why his assassination is great for all the grifter who keep pushing this story. Keep it going, make it worse. To them hes a hero who stops bullets with his super man bullets, to others hes hitler and deserved far worse. The main point of him now, is to get as much monetisation as possible from his death before the next thing comes along, and we get to start the culture war batter check list all over again. Probably a video game release will be the next great hill to die on lol.

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      Because it has nothing to do with him and everything to do with any excuse to accelerate fascism.

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      Shitposting podcaster, hate monger, using falsities to acheive social ills.

      Plenty of people podcast without doing any of that, to say he was a podcaster kind of ignores the fact that he was a Nazi youth organizer.

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        I’m an atheist so I do think it’s unfortunate when people die because I believe we only get one shot at life. We don’t go to cloud city and do jello shots with Jesus.

        That said, Kirk getting shot is clearly a case of fuck around/find out.

        If you cuddle with a rabid badger, don’t be surprised if it bites you.

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      It was sad & tragic even if you disagreed with him. What signal do you think your message is sending out, and how do you think that is helpful?

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          Kirk consistently advocated for free speech, so I’m not sure how it helps to be happy that he was murdered for his beliefs. It sounds like you might actually support fascism, but you want it done to those you disagree with & don’t like. Whatever happened to dialogue & debate. Winning people over by example?

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            Wonder what your opinion is on people getting fired from government positions for expressing their dislike of Kirk (not celebrating his death, mind you). Or the doxing squads harassing others expressing the same. Or Trump saying peaceful protestors and professional journalists should be punished for daring to disagree with him. Doesn’t sound like free speech.

            I personally think Kirk was only a free speech proponent to the extent it allowed him to express hateful, racist rhetoric.

            I think plenty of dialogue and debate has been had. I don’t support murder. And I’m not mourning Kirk. Attempts to garner sympathy for Kirk’s causes will fall on deaf ears with me, because his causes included white supremacy, hate, and ignorance.

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              I’m against it & Kirk had made several statements that he was as well. You’re trying to argue that what Trump is doing after his death is what Kirk advocated for. That is simply not true. TPUSA was designed to capture a lot of young conservative men, many who were opposed to the genocide & the unconditional support of Israel. Kirk too would express doubts, especially about Netanyahu. While he may have supported Trump, he wasn’t Trump.

              I’m not trying to garner sympathy here. What I’m trying to do is say… “Is this what the left really wants?” Do they want murdering people, maybe those they care about, to be celebrated by people on the right? Do they want their own form of fascism? Lead by example. If the left has better ideas, then show the moral character it creates.

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            We all appreciate your Charlie Kirk version of dialogue and debate by ignoring all nuance to the situation and using bad faith arguments. He would be proud of you.

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              No, he would disagree with me which is fine. I didn’t support his beliefs. I just don’t think his murder was something to celebrate. I think it is what weak people do. Those who don’t have strong ideas of their own. I think the more people that do it, the longer it will take the US to get more united & peaceful. I think it causes damage to the left as a whole. No Democrat that I know of would even claim people celebrating his death are a party member. They’d say it is despicable, which it is.

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                You have some wildly naive opinions, to the point of ignorance, if you think the left being publicly sad would have even the slightest effect of political unity. It is possible to condem political violence while acknowledging the deceased was a massive piece of shit who brought this upon himself.

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                  Either you’re moral & ethical or you’re not. He didn’t bring it on himself, because no one deserves to die like that for their speech. It isn’t condemning violence to say it shouldn’t happen but they deserved it. What you’re saying instead is you’re not really opposed to it as long as you think they deserve it. That is the same thing people say about the genocide. Wouldn’t a better example be, that you value all human life… even those you disagree with? That you have empathy even for those you feel might not share the same for you?

                  The most success I’ve had changing people’s hearts & minds, is by having empathy to understand where they’re at. To not have hate for who they are, but almost sorrow. I was bullied growing up, I know the impact it causes & so I understand wanting revenge. I also know what it is like to hurt others and even when it feels justified, it isn’t something I celebrated or felt like I should.

                  Like, imagine all the parents with kids that have tremendous special needs & all they go through as well. Some of them can be terribly destructive, but there is still so much to cherish, love & get to know. What would the world be like if people stopped having empathy for them? Instead, everytime one unknowingly picked up a sharp object & went outside, terrifying neighbors, so they called the cops, who showed up demanding they drop it, but the kid was autistic so they couldn’t understand, and the cops shot them. Are you going to celebrate it?

                  Say, “they brought it on themselves” & “they deserved it.” Are you going to tell the parents, “well they were broken afterall?”

                  Are you going to argue how every time they went somewhere in public, how disturbing their challenges were to you & they deserved it? Or if someone else kills them, how you’re not surprised someone would get annoyed & murder them?

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            He was not an advocate for free speech or debate, and misrepresenting the kind of bad faith bloviating Kirk used to manipulate a generation towards fascism .

            Mistaking his bad faith tactic with free speech and debate devalues both of those things.

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              Her certainly was. He frequently engaged in debate in dialogue with people on the left. He even invited Cenk Ugyur to speak at TPUSA:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wToisRztnMw

              Just because you disagree with his opinions doesn’t mean he was against free speech.

              https://washingtonmonthly.com/2025/09/16/dont-shut-down-free-speech-in-charlie-kirks-name/

              Again, not sure what you hope to accomplish here. Celebrating people getting murdered for their speech isn’t the win you think it is.

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                I’m fully aware, at orders of magnitude a higher degree, of what Charlie Kirk was about.

                He was absolutely, 100%, against free speech other than for when it could be manipulated to his own ends

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                  It sounds like you knew him well, were really close to him & he told you this personally? That you had some psychic connection & just knew he wanted to manipulate everything, and ultimately wanted everyone opposed to him in a concentration camp? That as Cenk Uygur was talking alongside him building bridges, that he was thinking to himself… “I just can’t wait until I can put Cenk in a concentration camp for what he is saying here, but I’ll let those ideas propagate to my followers first.”

                  Rather, maybe you should consider if that is what you want. Do you want people murdered that disagree with you? Do you think it somehow is good & shows your passion for free speech? Do you think it gives an impression that you are opposed to fascism?

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              Nazi sympathizer? Is that the new way to try to silence people? Oppose genocide & you’re an antisemite. Oppose fascism & murdering people for their beliefs, and you’re a Nazi sympathizer. What kind of upside down world do you live in?

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                Well your dumb ass ain’t the leader, or y’all woulda tried to snatch me. Like I said I’ve waited too long for this, for it to not happen, but it’s going exactly like I seen it. Morons like you will never understand that, don’t fuckin reply, all your maga ass does is make me wanna hack and get your IP address you cunt

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                Just out of curiosity, do you identify as anything that Kirk has historically directed his vitriol at?

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                  Yes absolutely I do. If you want me to be specific I will, but in terms of my gender I don’t define myself as cis, nor do I define my sexuality as straight.

                  I disagreed with a lot of what Kirk had to say, but first that doesn’t mean he was opposed to people saying it even if he too disagreed with their beliefs.

                  I grew up in the the bible belt, so I had some empathy to understand components of how he got there & the power structures that would push people in that direction.

                  I’ve also seen many people, including myself, that can’t claim that we’ve never ignorantly or willingly taken a job, did something for money, or spent money on something, that ultimately helped support or fund things we opposed or came to oppose. So I try not be quick to fully judge someone, especially those that I don’t know personally or that well.

                  I did see some pieces of good in Kirk, but that doesn’t mean that I thought his ideas were great or that he didn’t have more bad than good. But I think we all, or most people, have some bad & good things about ourselves. I believe the best way to stand up against ideas I’m opposed to, that people like Kirk supported, is to be the best example of what you want.

                  Also, being able & willing to challenge your own beliefs, and ensuring they are centered around truth, morality & empathy. I believe fundamental truths in this way are not something that can be erased, or that it would take some sort of drug administered early on, or some drastic modification to humankind to wipe that away forever.

                  Now I’m confident in those beliefs which shows, but I also don’t have to convince everyone, because I believe they will resonate with enough people, being based in moral purity & actual truth, that they too will know them if being honest or remember them.

                  I also want to show others that I believe there is a future for honesty. I’m not afraid to admit my challenges, or my faults, like I used to be. I’m actually proud of them in a way, and they also show that we all have struggles or things we could do better. I can’t tell you how much that has done to build connections with others, simply by admitting what you struggle at… and then they too feel open to admit the same.

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            he was murdered for his beliefs.

            We don’t fucking know that.

            A MAGA kid shot him but we don’t know why. It’s possible the MAGA kid just hated his wee little face and huge head. Maybe he met Kirk and Kirk was a fucking cunt to him? Maybe the MAGA kid didn’t like Kirk saying to release the Epstein files?

            We don’t know.

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                That is also true - although I guess he’s admitted it to friends and family. But, he has not been found guilty of the crime.

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                  do we know that he actually admitted it to anyone? like, has anyone outside the government talked about him?

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                Long opinion piece, but the only words actually said by the murderer are these:

                I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.

                This supports that he killed Kirk for his ideas, but we still don’t know which ideas and if Kirk actually had those ideas or if the murderer imagined them. We still have very little information about a real motive.

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                  There is nothing wrong with wanting to know more, but it was about his ideas. At someone point I think it becomes easier to recognize that those who claim to support Democrats, can be vicious too.

                  I had several people on Lemmy wishing me dead merely for calling out Biden’s support of genocide. Like, at what point do people speak up & say no we’re not okay with this, this isn’t who we are?

                  When people on the left pretend, like they did with Biden claiming he was young & dynamic, saying he actually firmly stood against the genocide in Israel, all it does is push people further away. It does damage to the party & helps people like Trump. It says, we’re also the party of hypocrites but we’re better liars about it. When people see others claiming to be Democrats celebrating someone’s death for their speech, do you think it is helping?

                  Like why am I like the only person here willing to say this now? Do you think that leaves me or others hopeful about the future of the Democrat party? Is everyone else here that called me the Russian bot for pointing out Biden’s flaws & advocating for a better option sooner than when he dropped out, the actual Russian bots? Are they trying to push for more violence & chaos in America? Or is this really just what the Democrat party has become now?

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                  Gross dude, real gross. What goes around comes around, just remember that. This despicable stuff you’re saying, that you’re advocating for, will come back around to you. Just remember that. I can only hope you meet someone like me that just feels bad for how far you fell, rather than someone like yourself that has become the dehumanizing monster you’re acting like.

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              Yes, for what purpose. To advocate against free speech? To champion those that murder people for their speech? Is that what you want? Sounds awful fascist to me.

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                Listen here you little fuckin troll, I don’t care how many fuckin lists are on this is fate, I know mine. Shit stains like you need to do the honorable thing and swing, before we’re there to give you a push in the swing

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                  I think you need to go look up the definition of a troll. You need to step away from the ledge friend, before you end up in a really bad situation.

                  I can tell you 100% right now what you’re espousing is gross, harmful, dehumanizing, and its going to come right back around & bite you in the ass. Probably not in the way you expect either, fate usually works like that. I can only hope it only has to give you a few gentle reminders before you get it, cause you don’t always get that many before something tragic happens. If you’re going to push anything, it should be pushing your keyboard away & actually going outside. If you’re legitimately planning on pushing things, it might help to get some exercise & sunlight first.

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        It was sad & tragic even if you disagreed with him.

        Spare me the crocodile tears. He was a stain upon all mankind and pretending it represents any thing other than the lathe of heaven finally delivering a come-uppance is utterly ignorant at best, and deranged and disingenuous at worst. You are apologizing for fascism.

        Self censoring the fact that Kirk was a bad dude who got what he deserved is the thing that does real damage. It doesn’t matter if he had kids. Goebell had kids. Mussolini had kids.

        The only tragedy is that the kind of violence required to stop these fascist movements took until things are nigh unfixable to manifest.

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          That active Nazis have kids makes it more important that they are stopped not less. They are not raising their kids and their footsteps. I would like to see every political leader that doesn’t have a reason to say anything to just not say anything about it rather than fall all over themselves condemning political violence and pretending like this guy wasn’t a piece of shit.

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            It sounds like in your world view that everyone you disagree with is a Nazi, so you feel like you have a moral obligation & duty to kill people you disagree with. That you want every politician to just shut up & not discourage murdering people for their ideas, so that they can be murdered for ideas as well. I don’t know how you got there, or what your ideas really are… I mean, they don’t sound very strong if rather than discuss them with people that disagree, that you’d prefer they just be murdered instead.

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              Sounds like you need to read the paradox of tolerance and fully understand it.

              Charlie Kirk is, demonstrably, a Nazi. So is Trump. They are fascists. Charlie Kirk’s horribly racist ideas were hidden under the thin veneer of debate and free speech. He didn’t give a shit about the “other side of the debate”. Hell, the fact that we are even framing things like the human rights of minority groups as something you can debate is exactly what a piece of shit like Kirk wanted.

              Their vile hate speech and lies are already robbing people of things like due process.

              Speaking of Nazi Germany, what was the exact day the hate speech went too far? What about the U.S. right now? It’s a slippery slope, and we are descending into fascism at an alarming rate.

              You don’t seem to understand the actual damage being done. They are killing people. They are taking away fundamental rights from people.

              Don’t expect sympathy for his death from the people who can see that.

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                Sounds like you need to read the paradox of tolerance and fully understand it.

                It sounds like you should maybe do some more research before coming to speak to me about Karl Popper, because I honestly doubt you’ve done much, at least to actually understand his writing or what he even said. Furthermore, there is a whole list of philosophers who responded to Popper & exposed several flaws in his writing that Popper himself acknowledged. Do you really want the right coming after you saying you’re the intolerant one? I mean after-all, you’re the one who does appear intolerant in this specific situation. Do you want them censoring your speech saying you’re the intolerant one? The very same arguments you are making right now using The Paradox of Intolerance, would be exactly what would be used against you.

                The same arguments are used in Gaza to justify genocide. How many times have we heard Netanyahu say they we’re just defending ourself against the intolerant ones? The same genocide that Biden funded & supported, and that Kamala Cheney couldn’t think of anything she’d do differently. So please, spare me pretending that I need to read something, which it appears you have not either read or spent the time to understand. Which is expected, because honestly I find your arguments pretty lazy & disingenuous.

                The Paradox of Intolerance is frequently brought up by the same people on the left opposed to free speech, that believe they should be able to imprison others for speech. The very same anti free speech laws pushed by people like Netanyahu for criticizing Israel. Like, why even pretend that you’re against that, when it appears that is exactly what you’ve been a big supporter of all along.

                I’ve never seen hateful ideas that spread like wildfire & infect the minds & hearts of people. These are easily defeated through dialogue & debate with actual good ideas. Instead you run around claiming… “don’t let them speak, you’ll turn into a Nazi too if you do!”

                Maybe you should work on finding better politicians. Ones that don’t support genocides, or lie about their mental fitness, or use drones to kill children in Yemen, etc. How many times do you think you can call everyone you disagree with a Nazi without the word losing its meaning? Just like how many times do you think people can call those opposed to genocide antisemitic before the word is no longer negative. Do you want those words to lose actual meaning?

                Look inward. Look at your own party leaders, and say… “Our blind faith in you was naive & ignorant. This was your fault.”

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                  Yeah, because it’s not happening already to Kimmel, Colbert, and others. Better just lie back and take it, yeah?

                  I’m intolerant of who again? The guy who thinks abolition was a mistake? That women shouldn’t vote? That shouldn’t be tolerated.

                  Like most people here, I am not a fan of the mainstream left. Gaza is a genocide. The left needs fixing, but that shouldn’t come at the cost of Stephen Miller becoming modern day Himmler.

                  You’re a clown. Take the L. Everyone here thinks you’re a moron.

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        Fuck gim and anyone that sympathizes with him. You spew hatred and get shocked when someone, one if their own shoots dipshit Charlie in his fuckin neck, great shot man! They are trying to incite the civil war, that’s all this is and was, and will be used for, I can’t wait to drink from the skulls of a few Republicans

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          LOL. Well good luck in your happy-go-lucky civil war. Who says things like that… that they can’t wait to drink from the skulls of people? If you’re so opposed to what you think are monsters, why do you want to become the monster so much? All you’ll do is create more monsters.

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            They made me a monster long before all this now I will end the gop when they start the war

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              You alone? Seriously, you actually make me optimistic that we could get some bipartisan support for mental health reform.

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      If it’s a legitimate shooting, the body has ways of rejecting the bullet. He clearly wanted this. That’s why he was acting so provocatively.

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    Classic republicans. Only pissed off and do something when it affects them or is a threat to them.

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      I don’t think they’d care that much if the victims were peasant class republicans. Not unless they could pin it up on some minority, of course.

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        Truthfully, I don’t think they care about CK. They only care what the narrative can do for their agenda.

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    not convinced he wasnt a forced martyr. there was another angle behind him where a flash was seen, and then a projectile was recorded mid flight behind him. also a 30-06 would have blown his neck clean apart. he would be looking like he was nearly headless nick if he was lucky. but suddenly “its a miracle there was no exit wound” from 30-06…at about 150 to 200 yards? even if the recorded muzzle flash behind him, and the projectile caught mid flight behind him was doctored. theres no way a 30-06 would just “stop” in his neck with a small hole like that. physics would simply not allow it.

    what they describe happening, and what we saw. would make sense for a 22lr or maaaaaaybe a 9mm. but thats also pushing it.

    nah man. either they are lying abour the caliber and gun, the shooter, or the whole fucking thing.

    also, trumps “attempted assassination” was staged as fuck. someone had to die to make it look real. the cavitation that would happened to his ear would have shattered all the cartilage in it, his ear would have been absolutely mangled. but it was magically healed withour a scar a few weeks later.

    this whole admin is based on lies, never trust the story they present.

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      I would argue that a 150 grain 30-06 could do something like this. That’s a pretty popular deer hunting round, and I don’t know that it would go through a vertebrae. Certainly wouldn’t almost decapitate him. 220 grain would probably exit I think, but again it wouldn’t almost decapitate him. There really isn’t enough in the neck to go flying everywhere.

      That’s just me guessing from decades of hunting deer, elk, and bear with a 30-06. I don’t do neck shots though.

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        I’ve drilled high-quality, 3/8" steel plates with 30.06. Can’t say how many grains, but it looked like it was drill pressed.

        There’s a lot of stink around what the FBI has said, but I watched some frame-by-frame shots and his throat clearly expands, big time. Wasn’t a .22, but I still can’t believe a 30.06, of any load, wouldn’t tear him up far worse. I’ll defer to your hunting experience, all I’ve done is target shoot.

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      Absolutely with you on the Kirk thing. This is rather eye opening:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltakvGyzfZs&rco=1

      As to Trump, it’s not like he got blasted through the ear. Either the bullet or a busted piece of teleprompter chipped him. Any head wound will bleed like mad, and a little ding on the ear would heal quickly. I’ve cut myself shaving my ear and it bled nicely, healed quickly. Go watch some of those videos where they shot a pig ear. It just punched a neat hole. After all, there’s no liquid in your cartilage to cavitate.