Had a tab open of Pierre’s twitter from last week and saw he actually posted some data instead of a slogan.
Conservative supporters has gotten so stupid lately it’s actually kind of concerning. The chart clearly shows Harper was terrible and by far the best for that metric was Chrétien.
In case anyone forgot the dates.
https://lop.parl.ca/sites/ParlInfo/default/en_CA/People/primeMinisters
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pp’s comment doesn’t even make too much sense. Does he think people believe that governments can change the course of literal macroeconomic trends in just less than a year, and especially in the face of an aggressive economic threat from a large trading partner?
Oh wait. His supporters would believe that.
Fuck off pp
Comparing against a single country instead of several or regional averages seems like it’s intended to be misleading
Conservative supporters has gotten so stupid lately it’s actually kind of concerning.
Lately?
He had to run twice, because he’s a loser. Small PP syndrome
I’m just amazed that Pierre knows what a graph looks like. I really thought all he was capable of was catchy one liners.
“babe, wake up, a new verb the noun dropped!”
Pretty certain he just reposted it because he saw someone rage baiting Carney.
It’s the same as him saying CBC is propaganda then turning around reposting them when they’re pointing something negative about the Liberals.
Was slightly confused by what you ment. But I think I can understand.
Cretian increased capital investment relative to the US, Harper kept it mostly constant but fell at the end but then Trudeau had it fall harder.
Carney is low right now. The last downturn due to tariffs. . They’re all neoliberal though.
I think with this term of Trump, Conservatives realized they were actually spending to much effort rage baiting previously.
If this was last year they would have just chopped off the chart at Trudeau and just showed a line going downwards, now they include the full datasets and people literally won’t look a couple centimeters to the left to figure out they’re getting scammed.
As a non Canadian, can someone tell me what Harper was like, and what he did to halt your industry growth? Or was it just that the recession hit in ~2008 and they had no recovery plans?
He took all funds and was only interested in western gas and oil, nothing else. So he put the entire economy of a country in the hands of a commodity controlled by a foreign cartel. He then left Canada to work for that cartel.
Harper cut taxes to his rich buddies and then hid it for 8 years by literally selling off the government’s assets and closing departments. One of the penultimate choises was to shut down the primary coast guard base for the entire port of Vancouver. The 2nd largest port in North America behind LA.
He also allowed the CCP to steal 5G tech from Nortel that happens to be how China leapfrogged to modern tech. They stole it all from Canada.
They stole it all from Canada.
I have worked with Huawei infrastructure equipment a bit (before they were banned).
They also stole quite a bit from Ericsson and Nokia. Its pretty clear when you look at them side by side.Thought the Nortel influence is also very obvious.
Nortel left Canada in the 1980s.
Canada was almost unaffected by the 2008 crisis. Harper was a hardline old-school conservative. I don’t remember everything, but I remember he favoured tax cuts for those who needed them the least and the fossil fuel industry, he tried his darndest to kill all government-funded science, and he really hated CBC/Radio-Canada, a state-funded media group, and reduced their funding significantly.
If Trump is emotional, chaotic evil, Harper is smart, calculated evil.
He also rebranded it the Harper Government in all government ads and communications.
Harper doesn’t deserve to be compared to Trump like that. Harper is dislikable and definitely conservative, but his actions don’t hold a candle to Trump’s. Trump is evil.
Happy to be proven wrong, I don’t remember everything either.
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Harper took the $15 billion per year budget surplus Paul Martin created and turned it into a $15-20 billion /year deficit via grift and tax cuts. Trudeau’s first budget was short on the heels of his win and works as a decent snapshotnof how horrendous Harper was.
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Recall that Harper tied foreign aid to the recipient governments outlawing abortion.
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He signed a poison pill contract with the fucking Saudis and helped them destroy Yemen. Trudeau couldnt get out of the deal. The Houthis are partly Harper’s fault.
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The Toronto G7 security budget was stolen from by his government ministers and used for pet projects like homes and Gazebos.
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His party defrauded Canadians with the robocall scandal where they tried to steal donations intended for other parties.
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He forced scientists to put all press releases and papers through his staff. If they didnt support his agenda the papers were cancelled and the scientists fired.
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He illegally prorogued parliament whem he was about to lose a vote of confidence, setting the stage for Trudeau to do the same fucking thing.
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He contracted out Vancouver’s harbour control to a remote facility in Comox. This is the busiest port in Canada and the 2nd busiest in the American continents. And he has them working via remote cameras instead of a full control tower.
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He put millions of lives at risk when he sold the Vancouver Coast Guard base to developers. Trudeau in part won because he promised to buy it back (and did).
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He illegally fired half of the NEB amd replaced them with oil industry lobbyists.
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He ignored native land rights(and environmental laws) when it came to pipelines. This led to Kinder Morgan faking bankruptcy and is why the pipeline took a decade to build.
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His chief of staff(disgraced from the G7 security budget thing) while working for then-BC premier Christy Clark illegally helped a wanted person escape to China under a made up government position.
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We survived the 2008 financial crash Despite Harper’s best efforts. He executed massive deregulation efforts as soon as he gained power, but by then the crash was already starting to happen, so our big banks were only minorly affected. The person who helped us avoid the crash was Paul Martin. Harper had nothing to do with helping us.
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Vastly expanded the TFW rules to create the current situation. Blame also goes to Trudeau for not fixing them despite us knowing they were busted.
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Destroyed Canada’s international reputation by bowing to the US on everything
Steven Harper is easily the single worst entity in Canadian Politics to have existed.
Steven Harper is easily the single worst entity in Canadian Politics to have existed.
Preson Manning also deserves to be part of that conversation.
And, of course, the current federal conservative party is their love child…
God, how could we forget cancelling the fucking CENSUS. He was so anti-science, anti-oversight, and anti-government.
You forget the event that transformed my view of Canada, the events surrounding the Toronto G20 in June 2010
He illegally prorogued parliament whem he was about to lose a vote of confidence, setting the stage for Trudeau to do the same fucking thing.
It wasn’t illegal. There is no law that says when the Prime Minister can prorogue Parliament. The Constitution just gives the Prime Minister the power to prorogue Parliament by asking the Governor General. There probably should be a law on the proroguation of Parliament cause Trumpie has shown how useless unwritten rules are. At least with a law, there would be ways to point how the government of the day is abusing proroguation.
Did Stephen Harper abuse that power for political purposes? Oh hell yeah, he did.
He cannot prorogue parliament, only the GG can.
He prorogued it, then asked her.
I’ll bring it up every time he’s mentioned, dude continued exporting this shit after his tenure through the idu (recall him supporting Orban for example), Farage has totally publicly cited Preston Manning and the reform party as influences/models. Don’t forget the barbaric cultural practices hotline either, killed the per vote subsidy too.
I recall there being a lot of ties between the Tories and the republicans stateside too, but can’t find an article to support.
Legitimately, I think it’s a toss up between Manning and Harper as to who’s worse, thinking about their damage abroad too. Can also add the treatment of Omar Khadr (which does fall under capitulation to the us, and just general trampling on rights), there’s a presser from around the time of the scoc ruling with Poilievre which highlights the Tories constant attacks on the judiciary too.
So much happened in those years it’s honestly hard to keep track, Harper should be kryptonite to the Tories like Bob Rae is to some people for the ondp.
I forgot about number 2, that’s cruel.
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Huh? That chart looks fine for Harper — the 2008 financial crisis really wasn’t his fault — and quite bad for Trudeau, if we assume that it’s accurate, that it’s representative of something meaningful, and that everything else that happens in Canada is to be blamed on whoever’s prime minister at the time. I’m guessing it’s that last assumption that might be wrong and the break into a downtrend in 2015 started as a result of something that changed a few years earlier, but who knows.
I’m speaking about the chart and how it’s simplistically presented because Pierre isn’t exactly one for context nor has he ever factored in how things has changed around the world after 2020.
And for people looking for a real information for this data. Statistics Canada did a analysis last year during the GDPP craze and part of it was industrial investment how government policy played a substantial role in it.
And since people keep bringing it up Harper led Canada into 2 recessions 2008 and 2015.
There was no recession in 2015.
Ok I don’t understand the y axis of this graph. Is that in percentage?
If you look in the top corner, it is percentage of 1980 levels. I’m not sure what “volumes” refers to here, though.
Well yeah, I feel like using percentages against US and Canadian markets doesnt give a truthful comparison of the two.
It’s better than absolute size, at least, and you can see they often do just follow each other.
You know they looked through graphs until they found some obscure weird one with a negative-seeming feature at 2015, though. Trudeau may or may not have been related. And the most recent dip is definitely going to end up with a recession bar in the future.
