“come on, it’ll be easier if we work together, just slide a bit of the profit my way and ill help lull them into a false sense of security”
“How much profit?”
“1%”
“Lol, no”
“Ok, the scraps from the table then…”
"… "
“Ok, the scraps from the table that are knocked on to the floor?”
“You’ve got a deal, partner. I knew we could sort this out fairly.”
Canada awkwardly trying not to be noticed doing exactly this in the corner.
Yeah let’s fucking infight constantly. Maybe that will stop fascism!
Is it really ‘infighting’ if they’ve declared their intention to not oppose fascism in the future?
I want to consider those opposed to Republicans as on the same side. Since if we aren’t, we’re probably fucked permanently.
I want to consider those opposed to Republicans as on the same side.
Me too, but they just wanted to shit on our candidates and let trump win. They were pretty clear about that. All this trump insanity is the Democrats’ fault. Heck, they still say it now.
That plus the fact that there doesn’t seem to be any other plan at all besides shitting on Democrats makes me think they’re just high-quality GRU inductees. Or functionally indistinct, anyway.
What is GRU?
Oh thats the russian military arm that handles a lot of the disinformation, trolling and trump support stuff.
Gotcha. Yeah, it’s really hard to believe that people could be so myopic, so I tend to agree with you that many of them must be.
I want to consider those opposed to Republicans as on the same side.
Are they opposed to Republicans if they’re willing to let Republicans win to teach ‘the libs’ a lesson?
Generally I would regard that as ‘not opposed’.
are the democrats opposed to republicans if they are willing to give away their base to teach the progressives a lesson? “vote blue no matter who, even against your interest.”
“don’t vote
blueno matter who, even against your interest, to teach theprogressivesDemocrats a lesson.”That was what they said! Like - literally. Verbatim.
Please tell me more about how the 2020-2024 Dem platform was a major ‘give away’ of the Dem base, and not the most progressive platforms the Dems have taken in my entire fucking lifetime.
you get to choose one, and only one:
the progressive voting block don’t deserve a candidate because they are too few to matter.
or
the progressive voting block not voting against their interest is why the democrats lost the election.
you can’t have both.
the progressive voting block not voting against their interest is why the democrats lost the election.
Wasn’t the question to explain that part?
I’ll start. The Dem platform did not promise to end capitalism immediately. They specifically planned to continue it.
the progressive voting block don’t deserve a candidate because they are too few to matter.
I am a progressive. We deserve a candidate. So fucking show up to the primaries next time.
Watching Bernie get a fucking quarter of the vote in 2020 was heartbreaking.
the progressive voting block not voting against their interest is why the democrats lost the election.
You do realize that the election was lost by under 2%, right?
Would you like to extend that logic, that any interest group that can sink a candidacy is also entitled to dictate to the party whatever terms it likes, and holds no responsibility for the outcome if the party does not sufficiently compromise with them, in their view?
Notice I said “want to”. The idiots should do one thing, but apparently a lot of them will do the opposite, ignoring what should’ve been a lesson to them.
“Opposing” implies that you’re actually doing something.
In physics, “work” is defined as movement over time. If you spend fifty years pushing a wall and the wall hasn’t moved, you can’t say you’ve done anything.
As we all know, there’s no difference between the US today and the US of Nixon’s time.
In terms of how close American society was to fascism it’s actually worse, so congrats on doing negative work I guess.
In terms of how close American society was to fascism it’s actually worse, so congrats on doing negative work I guess.
You’re absolutely right, in a time when the CIA and FBI were both utterly off their leash, repression of left-wing movements and unions was rampant, domestic assassinations were engineered by the government, and brutalization of minorities and dissidents was much more widespread, back when marital rape was legal and women couldn’t open bank accounts in their own name, there was less fascism. Thank you for your brilliant take on Nixon’s America. What’s next? Perhaps you’d like to proclaim how much more democratic Woodrow Wilson’s America was than the modern day? Or how much less slavery there was in Buchanan’s America?
You’re absolutely right, in a time when the CIA and FBI were both utterly off their leash, repression of left-wing movements and unions was rampant, domestic assassinations were engineered by the government, and brutalization of minorities and dissidents was much more widespread, back when marital rape was legal and women couldn’t open bank accounts in their own name, there was less fascism.
Literally yes, because while these things are symptoms of fascism they’re not necessarily causes of it. It’s not any easier to be fascist under these circumstances than it is in the modern day; the only change is the specific kind of liberal commie shit the fascists want to do away with. Here’s (a non-exhaustive list of) what does make it easier to engineer a fascist takeover: economic and social uncertainty, weakness of leftwing movements, trust in democracy and institutions, centralization of power and unwillingness or inability to hold leaders accountable. I trust you can plainly tell that today’s America (and even 2024 America) is worse than Nixon’s America on all of these fronts, but if not then for one ask yourself why there’s not a modern Watergate. It’s not like either side of the isle is lacking in material.
Perhaps you’d like to proclaim how much more democratic Woodrow Wilson’s America was than the modern day?
That one was definitely pretty fascist, but also “fascist” and “democratic” aren’t opposite; you can have non-fascist authoritarianism and fascist democracy (though that tends to pretty quickly collapse into fascist authoritarianism). Nixon’s admin was up to some pretty authoritarian stuff, but it wasn’t fascist authoritarian stuff.
I guess misunderstanding people counts as ‘winning’ for you.
If you spend fifty years pushing a wall and the wall hasn’t moved, you can’t say you’ve done anything.
This you?
So, you understand that the wall was a metaphor, but decided that the ‘fifty years’ was literal.
If I’d put in ‘five minutes’ or ‘2 million years’ it would have meant the exact same thing.
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Apparently there’s only one way to stop them.
That tree does look like it’s in need of fertilization.
“You cannot negotiate with authoritarians. You cannot negotiate with fascists. They don’t stop ̶u̶n̶t̶i̶l̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶r̶y̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶p̶l̶i̶e̶s̶.”
FTFY.
Fascism requires an “other” to exist. When all the current “others” have been killed, they must invent a new one or perish.
The goalposts are ever shifting, and the in-group forever shrinking.
Its autocannibalism.
They also simultaneously pump the ingroup into the military meatgrinder apparatus. Fascism is how the elite attempt to achieve god status at the expense of all others. Its the antithesis of Western enlightenment values. The antithesis of egalitarian, humanist values that have existed at different times in different cultures worldwide. The accelerator of our extinction.
Autocannibalism. Well said.
I think of it as a death cult tbh
Not really, when the Nazis took control they removed all opposition. Same with the USSR and the CCP. Technically North Korea holds “elections” lmfao but there sure isn’t any competition to the dictatorship/monarchy.
When the German opposition was mostly dealt with, they came for LGBT+, disabled, Jews and Roma. They never stopped until they were occupied by foreign forces.
Ah I see what you were saying, now. I thought you were alluding to some sort of political opposition party that fascists required, but you just mean they require some kind of target of hatred to pursue.
The funny thing about fascists is that actually you have to round them all up and have them shot, cause otherwise they’ll do it to you! Kinda gotta “get them before they get me” vibes. But let’s keep playing pretend that we will have midterm elections next YEAR for fuck sake you think we will survive another YEAR after the point we are at?!?!?
Also leftists.
…or I won’t vote.
Also:
Not this one…
Not this one…
THAT’S not a vote I’ll be making again though.
Apparently, yes this one.
They have one job - do better than “we’re not hitler”
Since they couldn’t do better than that last time, we got hitler.
What are they going to dangle now? We already got hitler.
They could try campaigning for votes that don’t come from Republicans, or standing on the values they always claim to uphold when they think they need votes from the left.
You folks are all fucked up, and I get it, I did it for literally decades, too. Remember - they are supposed to earn your vote. You aren’t supposed to default to handing it to them.
Otherwise you end up where we are now.
Edit:
If you mean unconditionally support the DNC no matter how clearly they work against the values they claim to stand for - nah, I got decades of that already.
Remember - they are supposed to earn your vote. You aren’t supposed to default to handing it to them.
If it was that simple politics would be way easier. But of course it isn’t like that. There’s a whole part of it where we work to build the party we want. Just walking up to the lever where it says “pull here or fascism wins” and then shrugging and walking off does not comprise an entire political system.
Doing this is very literally how we ended up here (unless that vote stealing scam thing turns out to be real).
They have one job - do better than “we’re not hitler”
Sorry that your apparent political attention span is even shorter than a Republican’s? Sorry that you didn’t pay attention to any of Harris’s positions or the Dem party platform?
I guess they weren’t in an entertaining-enough ‘soundbite’ for you to parse.
Otherwise you end up where we are now.
“You end up where we are now because you voted for the filthy shitlibs!”
No, I’m pretty sure we ended up where we are now because the exact fucking opposite happened.
Sorry that your apparent political attention span is even shorter than a Republican’s? Sorry that you didn’t pay attention to any of Harris’s positions or the Dem party platform?
Actions, Sir. That’s all I ask. Not appeasement. And not “Bernie might scare the centrists” or “I have to make sure I talk about my Glock, but never let anyone speak about Palestine at the DNC” or whatever the hell Schumer has been trying to do.
How about Pelosi working hard to keep progressives out of power over and over and over? Most recently that comes to mind…
The atlantic had Kamala pegged in 2019 for that matter. But I still voted for her twice, Sir.
Then there’s the ongoing saga of Mamdani.
This is my super-radical-super-extreme position:
They are supposed to earn your vote. You aren’t supposed to default to handing it to them.
If you feel they have earned yours. Great!
If you feel you can dictate when they have earned mine? Slightly different response.
Here’s my super-radical-super-extreme position:
Letting fascists into power is unconscionable
Sorry that you think that fascism is something that can be allowed if it teaches the ‘do-nothing libs’ a sufficient lesson.
Man I’ve been voting Dem for 40 years. (edit - closer to 35 I guess) Please go lecture someone else. I’m not in one of your classes.
PS: We already got the fascism! New bogeyman needed!
if you actually believe that, you would be demanding the dnc to reach across their own damn aisle tword the progressives, funny that you always demand the opposite.
I feel like a lot of leftists figured Harris was horrible so they might as well teach everyone a lesson and sit the vote out helping Trump ultimately win.
I think there have been a lot of articles showing the protest votes didn’t move the needle in a way that could have impacted the outcome, but I’m prepared to be shown I’m wrong.
Yeah, in the key swing states, Harris actually received more votes in 2024 then Biden did in 2020. What happened wasn’t people choosing to vote third party or abstain because “both parties bad”. It was that Trump was exceedingly successful at convincing otherwise non-voters to vote for him. As terrifying as that is to think of.
There’s a good chance we’re a week away from Trump sending out squads to round up anyone he deems left.
If you can’t see it I definitely can’t show you.
I can see it alright. My vote 3.5 years from now doesn’t impact what Trump does next week though. How Dem leadership reacts when he does it might impact that vote though.
What you just said doesn’t follow from the point octopus_ink was making.
Why not?
Every protest voter and non voter contributed to the reality we’re currently living in.
I think you’ve fundamentally misunderstood the point.
The margin that Trump won by, was higher than the number of “Leftist protest voters”, unless you’re dishonestly counting every non-voter in the country as a Leftist protester.
I feel like a lot of leftists figured Harris was horrible so they might as well teach everyone a lesson and sit the vote out helping Trump ultimately win.
I said helping, not being the cause of.
It’s like you’re arguing that just because you voted Trump your vote wasn’t the deciding one so he’s not your fault.
But between the protest votes and the non voters they definitely caused Trump to be elected.
I said helping, not being the cause of.
At which point the facts backing up your anti-leftist tirade become so weak as to be meaningless. You’re ascribing a level of responsibility to Leftists that you’re quite happy to let literally everyone else in the country off the hook for, including people who actually voted Trump.
MLK Jr once said it wasn’t the KKK holding progress back, but the white moderate. In this day and age, moderate democrats/center are the absolute definition of what MLK was warning us about.
MLK Jr. is speaking about people who claim to be allies but insist on doing nothing and rebuking the Civil Rights movement at every turn.
Which today are moderates and fake progressives/democrats. The players changed as the game remained the same
MLK Jr doesn’t exactly have his finger on the pulse of modern politics but I’m sure he’d slap anyone who decided to not vote or vote for Trump in the last election.
He would’ve slapped the Democrat Leadership from moving even more to the Right (with things like getting close to the Chenney Family) all the while one of the main strategies of the other candidate was to promise to solve the problems of the working class.
Yeah, Trump was lying his ass of, as usual, but clearly a lot of people saw “candidate that promises to improve my life” vs “candidate that doesn’t even do that and cozies up with elites” and voted for the former or just thought “they’re all liars” and didn’t vote - relying on “fear of Trump” for the incumbent to get votes from an electorate which is economically crushed after 4 years of that incumbent’s policies even while de facto telling that electorate that “we don’t care about you”, all while the opposing candidate tells the “I care about you” is the very opposite of an intelligent strategy.
So the supposedly “leadership material” at the top of Democrat Party applying for the position of “leader of the nation” literally followed the worst possible strategy when it comes to the vote of the low politically engaged working class (who don’t live in the “couldn’t give a shit about economic inequality” permanent online identity wars battlefield that is American “politics” nowadays), yet according to the Democrat Party tribalist club fans, the fault couldn’t possible be of their incompetent, priviledged and “detached from what’s the real world for most people” leaders and the fault is all with “leftwingers”.
If America actually does keep on having free(-ish) election, people supporting this narrative are just making sure that after one or two Democrat Presidential terms, another MAGA type gets power again folowing the exact same strategy as Trump and they’ll probably be a more effective version of Trump.
Maybe the Democrats should have stopped running such terrible centrist candidates in pursuit of Republican voters. Idk why tou are blaming leftists instead of the millions of disillusioned voters who see both oarties as nothing more than tools for the billionaires.
Both sidesing this is the laziest of arguments.
The democrats should have been able to run a half empty can of rotten crab juice against Trump and win.
Instead I’m here questioning the average intelligence of voting age Americans and wondering how long the education system has been failing us.
Well, that’s clearly not the electoral environment we live in.
If you want to win office, you do actually have to communicate a positive idea of the future. Obama didn’t win by saying, “I’m gonna continue basically all of George W. Bush’s policies”. Even though that’s what he actually did, he still had to campaign on something a little more marketable than, “I’m not the other guy”.
Idk what to tell you if you are just now realizing that voters are uninformed. People hate politics. And people know that their quality of life has been deteriorating rapidly for the past 5 years. Democrats said that they weren’t going to change anything, Trump said he was going to change EVERYTHING. That same dynamic is happening all across the world right now, and liberals refuse to realize that no one is buying what they are selling.
“vote for us, we aren’t outright fascists” is clearly not a winning strategy, but liberals continue to use the same playbook. Just look at Keir Starmer and Macron and tell me that this is a purely American problem.
The quality of life has been declining since 2016 but it had a brief uptick for a couple years in 2021.
I’m not holding my breath for the progressives to put their dick away and form a party or put candidates up so I’ll keep backing the non-GOP party that has a chance.
This feels like it should be progressives telling leftists and centrists to cast it in the fire. The leftists say they’re both the same and the centrists say we need it for the economy.
Progressive is kind of a funny label because it’s not really distinct from the other two categories, despite also occupying a sort of middle position. Ultimately most progressives are either leftists or liberals, but despite these differences they agree on a general short term political vision.
if that were true, Harris would have more of the vote.
How so?
Yeah.
Maybe if the progressives are telling them to toss it into the fire but the progressives know there isn’t any fire yet because they haven’t been bothered to make it.
I’m trying to understand this meme, does it refer to classical liberals? Or is it just a euphemism for the US democrat supporters?
I’m not from the US so might be missing nuance.
Depends on the context of the OP/meme/audience.
If they are NOT a fascist then “Liberals” means the neoliberal, DNC, “white moderate” types who arguably run as counterintelligence against the left, and help the right “sow the seeds of fascism”.
If they’re a fascist “Liberals” refers to EVERYONE left of fascism, as it is used interchangeably with communist, marxist, woke; whatever they don’t like.
Given the sub, this is the first one.
Applies to Sweden as well. The liberal party went from proudly stating the far-right saw them as the enemy to adopting the far-right policies, implementing them, and calling it liberalism. That is stuff like prison for children, deportation for victims of crime, and still supporting and collaborating with them after it was – to very little surprise – discovered that one of their higher ups have a personal relationship to and is working with a very well known neonazi.
It’s true that appeasement with authoritarians doesn’t work. But Fascists aren’t the only authoritarians around, the same goes for theocrats, but also leftists. A lot of branches of the far left are authoritarian, and they deserve the same treatment as fascists for the same reasons.
A lot of branches of the far left are authoritarian, and they deserve the same treatment as fascists for the same reasons.
Ok, I’ll agree in principle!
So you’re going to promote and support the DNC to remove the fascists in the midterms?
If that’s what the DNC seems like they are trying to do, sure. I voted for Kamala in 2024 too, though that was NOT a campaign run by someone trying to remove the fascists, that was one run by someone trying to get their votes.
THAT’S not a vote I’ll be making again though.
If you mean unconditionally support the DNC no matter how clearly they work against the values they claim to stand for - nah, I got decades of that already.
Look there are two possible outcomes, remove the GOP by using the DNC or get an ever increasing GOP majority.
If you’re supporting the GOP even indirectly then you’re not a leftist because left is progress and you’re effectively a conservative.
No one seems to be interested in asking what I’d want to see to vote for them, only that I’m wrong for the vote that I might or might not cast in 3.5 years time, which I find very interesting on an intellectual level.
Vote your conscience, dude. Youre more informed then most voters, in short, youre cooked. We should spend resources elsewhere and get better roi.
Sad to have to treat you like a maga.
Thanks! 🙂
Choosing beggar. You’re willing to throw so many lives away and cause irreparable damages because the DNC only aligns with you 80%? There is nothing intellectual about your proposition.
No one even knows what my half of the proposition is, but that’s alright! I’m only one vote! (which is the other thing everyone seems to be forgetting)
No no, we’re going to play fortnight
That’ll teach me for deleting the reverse of this because I thought it was divisive and didn’t need to be posted.
Ah, here we are:
Okay I disagree with the content, but good meme.
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This is actually really good. Amazing how much people could learn from reading fantasy and sci-fi. Shout out to Babylon 5. Never too late to watch that show folks.
Here, the 🇺🇲 version.
