“Sometimes I am attacked by my opponents for being far-left, fringe, out of touch with where America is,” said Sanders. “Actually, much of what I talk about is exactly where America is… You are living in the wealthiest country in the history of the world, and if we had good policy and the courage to take on the billionaire class, there is no reason that every kid in this country could not get an excellent higher education, regardless of his or her income. That is not a radical idea.”
☝️ 100% this. Democrats, you want a candidate that will win? Stop focusing so much on what your donors want you to do, and start focusing on what your country needs you to do.
The flight of ‘moderate Republican’ donor base from the GOP to the Dems over the last ~8 years has truly metastasised into a cancer.
Sanders would have beat Drumpf the first time and the second time but the Dems are so bought out by billionaires and lobbyists that they are just as savage as the GOP!
Bernie for President 2028! 💜
hence why you think they are both are a uniparty, they both collude together. and why trump has faced very little resistance form the DNC, whenever he cut taxes or is campaigning, in secret they want him to win, so they can keep thier tax cuts they benefit under trump.
West Virginia is hard on MAGA. Either this is every Dem in the state or MAGA is finally waking up.
I lived in MAGA country near WV in 2016. Folks there knew I wasn’t a red hat but when they found out I was a Bernie Bro they told me how they respected him for his consistency in hating the wealthy.
They hate billionaires, too. Hell, I almost got a bunch of rednecks to agree with socialism just by avoiding scary words.
They want the same things, they just haven’t been presented with it. I am convinced that if Bernie was the nominee he’d have carried West Virginia.
I tell this to everyone at every opportunity:
If Bernie was the DNC nominee in 2016 he would have beat Trump according to literally every single general poll:
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2016/trump-vs-sanders
He had a ten point+ lead against Trump compared to Hillary. Hillary just polled better in the DNC primary. Funny then how the DNC made their constituents care more about who could win their primaries than who could win the actual presidential election.
That heavily favored Bernie winning against anyone.
the old guard of both parties conspired against him, they also afraid thier defense spending would dry up under him, Aipac back then was also probably concerned as well.
The Bernie-Trump pipeline is a thing. MAGA is fueled by social and economic uncertainty, and unlike the Dem establishment Bernie actually offers solutions to those things. The problem is that solutions from the left are incessantly shut down by the establishment (with little resistance from progressive leaders) while “solutions” from the right are embraced by it (and when they aren’t, the right actually fights to change that), so undereducated people in red states see two realistic choices, one that has solutions for their troubles and one that doesn’t. My point being that plenty of Republican voters only vote red because the blue side offers them exactly nothing, not because they want an all-white ethnostate. Theoretically that group has no reason to hate Bernie.
two realistic choices, one that has solutions for their troubles and one that doesn’t.
One that claims to have a solution. They’re still dumb for not realising Republicans don’t give a shit about their troubles and their supposed solutions would only make things worse.
thats why the gop ramped up the post-obama race hate train to divide them further, they have nothing to offer, and bernie had things to solve.
Anything to downplay people being excited about progressives.
Unfortunately it’s kinda hard to get too excited at this point for a lot of us.
Live in a state where the state overwhelmingly votes for things like keeping abortion legal, requiring paid sick leave, removal of gerrymandering, or even getting rid of fucking puppy mills, but then also overwhelmingly votes for the party who keeps overturning the bills passed by voters over and over and over again and you stop believing that people will actually wake the fuck up and instead continue to vote for that big R next to the name like idiots.
People will vote for whoever can persuade them that their interests will be protected. That’s why Trump has his populist schtick even if it’s a load of horseshit. There is no intention of ever doing anything he has promised poor people, because you don’t make (enough) money doing things that actually help poor people.
He will make the claim though, and then follow through on his promise to hurt scapegoats. That alone is enough to keep just enough people on his hook.
Meanwhile, recycling middle of the road Democrats who are way too willing to compromise their party’s (supposed) values bc they’re afraid of stepping on wealthy people’s toes, only gives fuel to the argument that both sides are the same. The right knows this, and they very successfully use this argument (which is partially true) to create disinformation fueled voter apathy and control the narrative.
Using this strategy, the right doesn’t even have to worry about actually winning over voters from the middle or left bc they can always fall back on the base who is motivated by a scapegoat. They don’t even need a “good” candidate, they just need someone who can be persuasive enough.
It’s like the saying " I don’t have to have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you."
Frankly, if the Democrats actually support the values they claim, they should understand that in 2025, wealthy people need to have their toes stepped on. We are not supposed to have one America where the wealthy profit from exploitation, and another America where everyone else to get exploited. Acknowledging that fact, is the very persuasive elephant in the room that would actually go very far in persuading people the both sides argument isn’t true. Except neither side is willing to address it.
Republicans won’t address it bc keeping that elephant invisible is the entire reason they care about running this country. They need power and control in order to protect their own interests.
I would like to believe that the reason Democrats won’t address it, is bc they have mistakenly convinced themselves that throwing endless piles of money into a campaign (via their wealthy donors) will help them create the most marketable candidate who can pull voters from the center and right. In other words, they’re too focused on outrunning the bear rather than their opponent.
The trouble is I work around these people… there’s way more thought put in to this than what I deal with.
“I ain’t gonna vote for no gun grabbin democrat”
That’s all it is. Nevermind Trump was pushing more gun grabbing than any of our last, they found a catchy slogan and that’s it.
If it’s not about gun grabbing, it’s about abortion, if it’s not about abortion it’s because it’s the “christian party”, if it’s not about that it’s “for America.”
There is no thought to it, it’s they know the R is all they need to check and all will be good. When it’s not good they get upset, they freak out, they scream, they yell, then go right back in and check the R again.
I’m not arguing with you that there are people that will pathologically vote Republican. Those aren’t the people that anyone should be worried about changing/trying to convince to switch sides. Doing so would be a losing strategy, and trying to outrun the bear.
There are way more people throughout the entire U.S. that fall into the voter apathy/“didn’t bother bc I’ve accepted both sides are essentially the same” camp. Those are the people that could be won over by Democrats not selecting an establishment candidate. This would be focusing on outrunning the opponent instead of the bear.
Why do you think so many people voted Clinton/Gore in 1992? When he first ran, Bill Clinton was just a smooth talking young guy from Arkansas, who seemed like he genuinely cared about people. Compared to Bush, he seemed like an outsider and a breath of fresh air.
This is a fuck ton of blue (including West Virginia): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_United_States_presidential_election
Look at all the blue on that 1992 map, and compare it to all the red on this map when Dukakis ran against Bush in 1988: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_United_States_presidential_election
Flashback: When Bill Clinton Was A Populist
The answer won Clinton rave reviews, partly–ok, mostly–because Clinton showed so much ability to connect with average Americans. (It helped, too, that Bush was so utterly lacking in the same ability.) But the answer was also a hit because it made a persuasive case on substance–one that would actually work pretty well today, right down to Clinton’s suggestion that simply reducing national debt isn’t a strategy for recovery. It takes investment, he says, and controlling health care costs.
We tend to remember the Clinton presidency for its largely centrist pattern of governance–the focus on balanced budgets, enthusiastic promotion of free trade, and so on. But that was a reaction (and, I’d argue, a mostly necessary reaction) to the political circumstances Clinton faced once in office. Back in 1992, even as he was promoting himself as a New Democrat who was tough on crime and demanded work from welfare recipients, he was still a pretty unabashed populist. He championed the need for public investment to create jobs and universal health care, giving them more priority than adopting a crash course towards balanced budgets.
For the first half I thought you were in favour of puppy mills
Lol, if I were then I’d have a chance at being a Missouri Senator.
Seven hospitals are expected to shut down in the state as a result of the law’s Medicaid cuts, and 84,000 West Virginians will lose Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program benefits, according to estimates.
If this doesn’t do it what will?
I expect that Fox News isn’t going to be talking about that, so probably one factor is going to be to what degree that fact actually reaches voters.
Why would Democrats do this to WV?!
On the latest leg of his Fighting Oligarchy Tour, U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders headed to West Virginia for rallies on Friday and Saturday where he continued to speak out against the billionaire class’s control over the political system and the Republican Party’s cuts to healthcare, food assistance, and other social programs for millions of Americans—and prove that his message resonates with working people even in solidly red districts.
”Whoever said West Virginia was a conservative state?" Sanders (I-Vt.) asked a roaring, standing-room-only crowd at the Capitol Theater in Wheeling. “Somebody got it wrong.”
one of vances strongholds.
They saw Sanders and expected fried chicken. we don’t read good in the South.
If West Virginia wasn’t an internetless husk hollowed out by every extractive industry known to man, they’d be very offended by your comment.
colonel sanders, has been promoted to brigadier general sanders.
That got a real lol from me
If he brought fried chicken, he would have won voters for life!
All of the people left and immediately continued voting for Republicans. The end.
Or they voted for Jim Justice/Babydog.
BuT hE’s A sOcIaLiSt!
