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Probably a stupid question, but how do herbivores get so buff though?
Hmm… I wonder how much time a rhino wastes on constantly eating, while the lion hunts a few times and gets to lounge around the rest of the time.
thought this was /c/vegancirclejerk at first glance.
I wanted to post it there, but the rules explicitly state that one must be vegan to participate.
You can just decide to be vegan before posting and change your mind after. As long as you avoid animal products in that window, you’ll be fine.
That is merely the praxis, not the philosophy.
Then they will go through your comment history and find that you posted about eating a tuna salad sandwich at a picnic one time in 1986. Then some people will take that as an invitation to follow you around and downvote you and harass you and get mods to ban you from other entirely unrelated communities. Soon there will be an SRS equivalent here. SLS?
but OP used a pic of animals. clearly not a vegan pic.
Aren’t you technically a vegan as you’re typing up a post, as long as you aren’t eating any meat while you do it? Almost all vegans used to eat meat at some point - your “used to eat meat” was just a bit more recently is all.
Veganism is not a diet. Is a bigot “technically a feminist” while they are a sleep? No, of course not, because no matter what their moment to moment behaviour, they do not hold the principles of the philosophy among their own personal beliefs.
I’m usually wearing my leather underpants so no
Well then it’s simple! Just talk to them with your pants off, and they will let you right in!
there’s a simple solution to that ;)
Lying?
Would someone actually do that? Lie on the internet???
Unpossible!
hi super nintendo chalmers!
I block coms with rules like that. If you want to have a private forum, then don’t keep it open to the public even for reading, and carefully vet who you let in. Otherwise you are asking for trouble with trolls and drama. Reminds me of SRS on reddit. Some thread showed up in my all feed the other day, I was about to reply then I noticed the community had rules which excluded me from posting. So I just blocked it. I don’t want to read threads I “can’t” reply to.
Two simple solutions to that.
“I’m vegan.” Fixed.
Nobody knows I’m a veganian
From planet Vegani?
Is this a gym rat joke I’m too never going back into one to understand?
Vegan joke. Lots of antivegan especially gym rat bros say it’s impossible to get enough protein to build proper muscle on a vegan diet.
The joke here is a much larger and more muscular herbivore is being asked about it by a carnivore.
Not impossible but damn near without resorting to hyper processed foods. Rinos can digest fibrous foods in ways humans can’t
Not impossible but damn near without resorting to hyper processed foods
Bullshit.
I resorted to Tempeh and Tofu. The idea was that I might need to grow everything in underground space buckets
If gym bros were philosophically opposed to hyper processed foods, whey protein (and all sorts of other animal-derived protein supplements) wouldn’t be as popular as they are. Whey used to be a nearly free byproduct of the dairy industry, and now is instead a key ingredient in supplement powders and bars and also processed food manufacturing for high protein versions of things like waffles and coffee drinks and even candy.
I’m a pretty serious lifter and I get most of my protein from a combination of legumes (probably 3-6 servings per day), processed dairy like cheeses and yogurts (probably 4-6 servings per day), and grains (probably 5-10 servings per day). I eat meat almost every day, but the actual macronutrient profile of my daily intake shows that most of my protein is coming from non-meat sources.
Hell, a typical hot dog on a bun has half of its protein in the bun (about 5g) and half the protein in the hot dog (about 5g).
It’s not hard to get enough protein from plant sources. Almost every civilization in history was build around a staple grain and a staple legume, which generally provides sufficient protein to cover people’s needs. If you’re trying to do more, like lift heavy weights, meat makes it somewhat easier to satisfy the higher protein requirements, but industrial processing is really the cheat code, whether we’re talking dairy or isolated protein from crops.
3-6 servings of legumes and 4-6 servings of dairy
RIP your toilet.
Right I conceded this point elsewhere. That being said I did have a period where I was a whole foods zealot and it was very hard to reach protein goals even eating meat. I was on a bulk so I was basically eating every 2 hours, but the worst thing was how much cooking was involved.
I now supplement because of that but I can still reach 130gs or so of protein some days on whole foods only. But I don’t know that I could do that with a vegan only diet without supplements. Which why I highlighted how difficult it is.
I was playing around with the numbers in another comment, and concluded that someone like me, with a target consumption or 165 g of protein and 2800 calories, simply needed to average out to 5.9g of protein per 100 calories. Several whole plant foods are above this:
- Peas: 6.4 g protein per 100 calories
- Beans: 6.7 g per 100
- Lentils: 7.8 g per 100
- Mushrooms: 7.7 g per 100
- Broccoli: 6.8 g per 100
And while looking at fermented cabbage in particular, that’s actually got some really good numbers, presumably because the microbes preferentially metabolize the sugars and carbs:
- Kimchi: 7.4 g per 100
- Sauerkraut: 4.8 g per 100
The more active one is, and the higher the calorie needs, the easier it is to hit the target of .78g protein per pound of bodyweight while still hitting overall caloric needs. It’s the restricted cutting diets that make it hardest.
Then again, easy for me to talk because I’m always hungry and have never had trouble eating enough. Even still, though, I rely heavily on dairy for my protein goals. It’s the easiest way to plan out macros.
You were this close to writing a perfectly readable and useful post and then you dunked it with the “.78g per POUND of body weight”.
I’m still proud of you for using metric almost the entire way, but come on! Can’t we just get rid of the rest of the useless system as well?
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I managed to get 3245 calories and only use 4 eggs and some autism-tier Vegan food, such as Quinoa.
Iirc the hard part is that not all protein is the same, and your body needs a variety to actually be able to use it which is near impossible to get solely from unprocessed plant based foods. So, modern chemistry to the rescue.
(This is what I remember from like an hour of research a few months back so correct me if I’m wrong)
which is near impossible to get solely from unprocessed plant based foods.
You’re remembering wrong. Your body needs the essential amino acids (histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, tryptophan, and valine), and most plants don’t have all of them, but pretty much any combination of a grain (wheat, rice, oats, corn/maize) and a legume (beans, peas, lentils, chickpeas, green beans, peanuts) will have all of them.
So yeah, you won’t get all of them from bread, and you won’t get all of them from peanut butter, but you will get all of them from a peanut butter sandwich. Or a bean burrito. Or rice and beans. Or rice and peas.
Beans, edamame, lentils…
How many would you need to eat to reach 120g of protein though? Like 6 or 7 cups? Again I’m not saying it’s impossible just very very hard.
100g of beef (15% fat) has about 26 grams of protein.
Per 100 g, hemp seeds contain more than 30 g of protein.
Cooked edamame has like 11.
So yeah, there’s honestly no reason to think you can’t get enough protein as a vegan. However in this meme there’s quite a difference, the rhino isn’t eating hemp seeds. The catch for him is he needs to eat a lot and all the time. Just like cows.
But humans don’t, because you don’t need to get all your protein from grass and hay.
Am not a vegan myself though
These calculations always ignore bioavailability rates.
This and iron are the most miscalculated (though at least iron can be raised via adding acids before consumption).
You’ll get about 75% of those 26g from beef, only about 20% from the hemp seeds (much higher if hulled and ground).
Really though, vegetarians get the most protein the most easily, since both whey and eggs are over 90% absorbed.
You’ll get that 75%… if you cook the beef. And if you’re just gulping down large raw chunks, even less.
You know what you can also do with hemp seeds?
Cook them.
Or just mill it into flour and then use for whatever. The resulting flour will be >33% protein.
Hemp flour has good protein bioavailability, with ground hemp seed protein showing digestibility of 91–98%.
But even so, your original “you’ll get about 20% of that” is just not right.
The results showed that the whole hemp seed presented 24% of proteins with an 84.1%−86.2% of digestibility, the dehulled hemp seed showed 35.9% of proteins and 83.5%−92.1% of digestibility, while the hemp seed meal contained 40.7 % of proteins with 90.8%−97.5% of digestibility.
Whole hemp seeds are about 24% protein and ~85% bioavailability
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/nutrition/articles/10.3389/fnut.2022.1039180/full
Idk where you’re inventing your figures from
A peanut butter sandwich is about 24g of protein, 540 calories. 5 of those would hit the goal with a 2700 calorie total.
In contrast, a hot dog on a bun would be about 11g of protein (5.6 from the hot dog, 5.1 from the bun) and 300 calories (155 from the hot dog, 145 from the bun). Eating two of those would put you slightly behind the peanut butter sandwich in reaching protein intake goals without exceeding the daily calorie target.
If you’re very active and need a lot of calories to fuel your activity, getting enough protein is easy. If you’re trying to get enough protein on a cut with a low calorie target, it’s much harder but can be done with either supplementation (protein powder, etc.) or choosing certain processed foods (low fat dairy, tofu), and avoiding a lot of foods that just don’t fit the goals (whether plant or animal derived).
Are you eating a pound and a half of chicken a day? Most people building extra protein and consuming 100+ grams of protein are probably supplementing their protein intake.
I was going to retort but it is a fair point. I have reached more than 100g on whole foods but on most days I do rely on supplementation. Especially during a cut.
FYI just in case I have nothing against vegan bodybuilding or vegans in general. Mad respect for people who actually manage to successfully do it as I can’t imagine it being easy. I actually use vegan protein myself because it’s cheaper (tastes terrible though).
I appreciate the response. There definitely are challenges on a vegan diet for sure, just like with every diet. Although I think all protein powders and supplements taste bad.
Yeah, something like 1.5-2g of protein per kg of body weight feels impossible on a vegan diet. I’d be eating nothing but beans all day.
Thats kind if a ridivulous amount especially if you’re getting all the surrohnding nutrition you need to build it properly.
But if you really need that much, the omnivore is already eating chivken+rice unseasoned 10x/day. Gallon of soybeans is reasonable, relatively.
Plenty of top endurance athletes are vegan. For one, runner Scott Jurek, seven time winner of 100-mile Western States week.
Personally, this week I biked 152 miles and placed in my age group in a 5k running race. I eat plant-based but don’t count protein grams. My take is that I eat about twice as much to cover my calorie expenditures, so I get twice as much protein. It doesn’t have to be hard.
Was thinking in the context of body building when I wrote that.
Wheat is the number one source of protein in the world. Almost all food has some protein except for like fruits.
30 years of constant eating and many accidental bugs ingested.
