How is kindness a bad thing? I thought that was universally agreed to be a good message to have in a piece of media. I guess the excuse is they don’t want media to have messages at all but like, how would you even have a movie where the hero has no values that they stand for?
For all the right wingers who think woke, pro immigrant superman is a new concept, reminder that this is a poster from the 1950s
Interestingly enough zero black people depicted, or any other races but white - just one dude with a dark orange complexion like the Mango Mussolini.
from this article:
Another story from 1953 called “People are People” has a Black youngster holding off an escaped lion until Superman can capture the animal. The owner of the circus the lion has escaped from wants to congratulate a white boy for his (nonexistent) heroism until Superman points out that the heroic young man was Black, and that the circus owner only wanted to congratulate the white boy because he was prejudiced.
Ethnicities. “Race” is a shit expression.
But it’s three syllables shorter! That’s like 75% of the syllables. Won’t you think of the savings?
Agreed, but ‘ethnicity’ means something else, closer to ‘national origin’ mentioned on the poster. All the white people pictured may well be of different ethnicities, for example. ‘Ancestries’, perhaps? ‘Different skin color’?
Colour palette.
Yeah you got the crux of the problem here! Let‘s correct people that are saying the same with a bit of arrogance to have a dopamine kick and then let’s make a fight about this so we are pushing the other person away
God why everything has to be so divisive these days?!
Interesting article about the history of ‘socialist superman’ during the depression and the ideological evolution.
Propaganda is powerful. You convince your followers that some classes of people don’t deserve kindness, you convince them that everything out of Hollywood is part of a leftist agenda, and once they believe both of those statements it’s very easy to spin this as further proof of the narrative they’ve already bought into.
Hey, fascists don’t deserve kindness.
But what if you kill them with kindness?
I don’t care how you do it, it’s something that must be done either way.
Just be sure to make it look like an accident.
Like Bob Ross, just a happy accident.
Feels wrong to hide it.
Whatever gets the job done.
In that case, the end justify the means. :-)
I disagree. Every person on this earth deserves happiness, and to avoid suffering. They also deserve kindnesa. That, however, does NOT mean they can do whatever they want. “Hey fascist, you do not get to tell people that kindness is bad” is not an unkind statement. You can have boundaries while still being kind. I really don’t believe we’re ever going to win the fight against fascism with more hate. Hate breeds hates. Kill them with kinds is a saying for a reason. If you tell a hateful person that you love them in spite of their hate, they don’t know what to do. They want people to hurt because they are hurt. If you accept their hurt, they will stop trying to hurt you (disclaimer this isn’t always black and white for each individual person, this is a philosophy that applies to humanity)
You’re just ignorantly wrong on that one. Way to completely fail to learn the lessons of MLK Jr. A person very much interested in being kind to others.
"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.”
and many other quotes with a similar glint. How was his kindness rewarded? (hint: he was murdered in front of his own house) Evil people DO NOT deserve kindness. Even Jesus went whipping up on shitheads trying to turn a profit in the church.
Only a complete fool willing to sit by and watch the world burn allows terrible people to march around with torches to set things alight.
I’m just baffled because not only is it way easier to not hate people, it’s way more beneficial for everyone.
These people are taking two mile hikes to find the perfect deer shit to shove down their throats.
You forget who benefits. It’s not the majority, correct.
That’s fully understood, we’re talking about propaganda, and I’m talking about who that propaganda affects.
You’re not wrong though at all. Arm yourself, convince anyone you can to do the same.
Only war is class war and I aim to win this bitch
Probably the same idiots who thought Homelander was a hero.
I’ve been wondering if there are Trump supporters watching The Handmaid’s Tale and siding with Gilead
I’m sure they have watched it and made lots of notes.
Yes there are
too many words, not enough explosions
Homelander is a hero, just not to the public.
You didn’t even upvote your own comment. That’s how stupid it is.
i think he is analyzing how maga thinks not being a maga himself… but i could be wrong.
Conservatives are still mad that Superman fought the kkk.
Which is admitting they side with the kkk, isn’t it
Well, yeah. They aren’t exactly trying to hide their white supremacist tendencies anymore.
If Superman were real, he 100% would have melted a lot of those racist fucks.
If you haven’t, I highly recommend reading “Superman Smashes the Klan.” An all-timer, based on a radio story from 1946, which was honestly its own kind of ballsy.
I really don’t know how to convince people they should care about others.
I don’t know how to teach empathy.
People care about their in-group. Make being human their main identity.
we can purge those filthy xenos from the galaxy!
A few slaps on the butt (assisted by a carpet beater when the occasion demands it) will usually do it. At least that’s how my mom did it with us.
“You! Have! To be! Good! To! Your! Sister/neighbor/dog!”
(EDIT: /s if not clear)
Captain Archer had some good ideas. Turns out he really doesn’t like bullies.
If you can’t learn empathy, learn to spite the enemies of empathy
By exercising it at a young age in public schools.
And judging those without more harshly.
You cannot. It’s either felt, or they’re shitspawn to be flushed.
There’s an underlying care instinct that needs to be activated. Its emotional; you can’t explain it, they have to experience it… There was a post years ago supposedly describing the empathic awakening of a white supremacist, which occurred as he was waiting to harm or harass a father and son on a bus, and the moment of awakening happened as he witnessed the father expressing his love for his son and something clicked for him, probably because he wanted that sort of affection from his dad and never got it.
That’s the thing, isn’t it? You either have empathy, or you are the other species. The one that can’t comprehend that there is anything wrong with them, but the world would be better off without them.
Empathy can absolutely develop over time. This rhetoric is not useful. Even dumb fucking right wing pieces of shit feel empathy when their in-group is affected.
If hate can be learned so can empathy, what you’re suggesting is dehumanizing
Well, I have neither empathy or sympathy for those anymore. They dehumanized me first, after all.
I’m with you brother. They have dehumanized so much they are no longer human themselves. Right wing ideology is subhuman ideology, in all forms.
This includes liberals.
Empathy can be developed over time by MOST people.
Also, performative empathy can be developed.
But then ALSO, anti empathy seems to be developing in society? Which is wild.
I am absolutely with you.
Also people should learn the difference between empathy and sympathy, the latter not as fatiguing and difficult to develop and often more useful.
Oh fuck off would ya? Every time I test my empathy, I am basically shown to be simply unemphatetic. Doesn’t make me a monster - simply instead of feeling something is wrong, I have to think shit through.
And trust me, it’s even easier that way. Would I like someone to kick me? Maim me? Deport me? Does the net good outweight both the general consequence and the consequence for the other party? No? Then don’t fucking do it. Whether I like other party doesn’t take part in the process, which isn’t true for empathy.
I like the Nathan Fillion comment during some red carpet interview when the interviewer was trying to egg him into saying something that would get rage clicks from one side or the other of the current political trash fire.
“its just a movie guys”
Superman was not a brooding edge lord until Snyder’s take outside of specific story runs, and it is obvious that a lot of people don’t know that.
Captain Hammer best superhero, who’s with me on this
I so want a sequel to the sing along blog.
Dr Horrible has become obsessed with reviving Penny by turning back time. He doesn’t care how many people need to die, because he believes he can “fix” things. But the risk of time travel is the destruction of the universe…
Captain Hammer, now knowing what pain is, has two choices, grow and overcome the pain, or continue to hide away…
And Penny. The multiple zombies, and clones, and computer simulations of Penny that were never “right”. Well, she too has her parts to play.
love it, but it won’t happen.
Dr Horrible was released 17 years ago.
That plot was already made by marvel, almost to a T
They don’t have a movie but they have a show. Homelander is the perfect ‘hero’ for these people. Only even the dullest dullard in the magat pile fails to recognize the character is evil but they never consider they are the baddies. Edit: fixed spell check.
Highlander? I am not making the connection.
I fixed it. It was supposed to be Homelander.
There can be only one!
(I don’t get it either. Maybe they’re thinking of The Boys, with the character Homelander?)
They confirmed it was an error and indeed meant homelander—you were right. They corrected it. FYI.
Highlander being a hero for the conservatives is an interesting thought experiment though hahaha
If we’re giving them all claymores and letting them have at it it seems okay to me.
People angry that Superman represents kindness
Do these people exist? Is it just one troll, or a significant enough of a population to even give the slightest bit of thought?
Look at how many Americans would voluntarily die themselves just to prevent “unworthy” people from getting free health care.
These people exist.
Pain is the point for them
I frequent dive bars. I have met plenty of people who believe in kindness, and love, and Jesus and shit - but not for immigrants, not for non-white people, not for criminals of any level. I straight up have had these people say this to my non-white face and then say, “oh but you don’t count because you have a job” or “you don’t count because you aren’t a drug addict”. Etc. etc.
These people suck fucking dick and I want them all to die.
It’s fucking ironic too when these same people talk about smoking weed, or stealing from big box stores self-checkouts, or vandalizing some dude’s car.
“Rules for thee, not for me.”
I read local obituaries solely to celebrate when I see some of these people die.
This is dark, but you fuckin do you gurl. Fuck em.
If only the circumstances that spawned them would change too…
I’ve met countless people who hate morals and will tell you you’re an idiot if you treat other humans as equals
No way
Business school and working at large corps. You inevitably meet a lot of those trump and tate wannabes
yes way. I have seen it with my own father. And the saddest part is they got this from religious rightwing media and have never ever interacted or had an opportunity to interact with the out-group that they are told to fear. Oh and, I am not from the 1st world. This shit is everywhere.
humans are just resources to expend and exploit.
It’s one guy making the propaganda right now, but I assure you, in a week, everyone in your family that you try not to talk to will be spouting this horseshit.
Cause Americans are obsessed with Rugged Individualism.
If you are in trouble, you don’t accept help, much less ask for it. You pull yourself up by your bootstraps and turn your fortunes around with grit and determination using nothing more than the loose change in your pocket.
Thats how anyone that needs help became nothing more than social parasites leeching off the rugged individualistic success of their betters.
Thats why Americans, on the whole, have all but erased empathy and good will towards others.
Its why 1/3rd of the country actively votes for weak, pathetic fascists who poorly playact as strongmen. Its why 1/3rd of the country didnt bother voting, because they have no problem with fasciatic strongmen punishing the weak and the other.
The New Religion of the American Orthodoxy is basically “Fuck you, Got Mine”.
Hyper-individualism is a much more modern idea that may have its roots in our founding but it was exploited by capitalism during the post-war financial boom last century.
Before we had media showing us “how it should be” families lived together throughout their lives, communities helped each other and American towns pulled together and helped each other in a variety of ways. The whole idea of single-family homes was invented by the housing industry to get people to buy three to four times as many homes. To sell this they started leaning harder into the idea that you’re the protagonist, you specifically, you are special just for being American, you are special for wanting your own things (that are advertised to you) and so on.
And before industrialized America and throughout the last several hundred MILLENNIA we were a communal species, it’s why we have so much contradictory hard-wiring that influences how we feel about our social standing, about other people’s feelings towards us, why there are so many people who latch onto authoritarians and fear strangers. These are ideas that run in direct opposition to “rugged individualism” and they are clear signs we’re not living the way we’ve been designed by literally millions of years of evolution.
Capitalism has pried apart the very fabric of our species and weaponized it.
You’re reciting history through rose colored glasses. The whole American dream has been to come here get some land of your own and go do your own thing.
There’s nothing “rosey” about the struggles of pioneering communities in early European settlement in the Americas, nor in the way that people pretty much had to shelter together for the last million years before America’s founding, my well-agreed on thesis is that community is how our species has survived and the idea of single-family homes and individualism is not only a new thing in our history but antithetical to our very nature as a species, which is why “social death” is a mentally and physically harmful condition that we’re all vulnerable to.
The “American Dream” was for people to make their own way, and at the time it was groups of people who settled and built communities, it was the drive for wealth along with the sudden vast tracts of land that came with America that encouraged people to start spreading out into single-family homes and leaving one’s community or family system. If you curl your lip at the idea of staying with your family through your life, that’s understandable, but that’s because families and our perceptions of family has changed. It’s not something easily reversible nor am I making a prescriptive statement, I am describing how things have changed and if I were to prescribe anything at all, it’s that we need to work harder at renormalizing actual socializing, at making and preserving friend groups so we learn and understand emotional intelligence, so challenge ourselves to new ideas and re-learn compromise and compassion, something not just missing from the worst people, but broadly through all ends of the political spectrum. Understanding that our current state of loneliness and depression and anxiety is not a natural part of our lives is an important fact that we can’t lose.
We are not living how we’ve been adapted by hundreds of thousands of years of evolution and it’s having profound impact on our collective mental health, and it’s allowing the atomization of our political perspectives to disastrous consequence.
I don’t want to livelihood we’ve been adapted". We were adapted to run through grass from tree group to tree group while avoiding large predators. Dying horrible and often gruesome deaths. Or slowly withering away in pain thanks to a simple infection. Society can not exist in the way that we evolved. Again. Rose colored glasses.
Society can not exist in the way that we evolved.
We don’t get a choice about it. We have to have a society and we cannot live in any other way than we’ve evolved, so our societies are going to be a reflection of our natures. We can build it blindly and just let whatever happen, or we can make informed decisions about the kind of future we want to have.
But we’re intelligent and can mitigate the harmful parts our biological drives with cognition and we do this all day every day, but we still have biological imperatives that we can’t escape from.
You can choose to not consume cake because you know you’re not calorie-starved even though nature rewards you for it. You cannot however have good mental health while in isolation. Understanding what parts of our nature are flexible or what parts need to be managed around is the fundamental thing I’m talking about here. Just like you will be healthier if you eat more vegetables like we were adapted for, your society will be healthier if it values community like we’ve been adapted for.
Again. Rose colored glasses.
You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
I’m curious how this movie is, I’m used to the older ones and a show called Smallvile.
I did not know there was some anger about this Superman movie. Anyone could quick give me a small summary?
Though bit bummed out that they keep remaking movies and shows instead of making new ones.
Anyone could quick give me a small summary?
James Gunn commented that Superman is an immigrant, and conservatives are losing their minds
People on Facebook are telling me he isn’t an immigrant, he’s from outer space. I’m so confused as to what they think an immigrant is
Literally an illegal alien, and they refuse to see it.
The most illegal alien. Smallville had an episode where Clark helped hide an undocumented migrant. His mom tried to chastise him and he had to remind her his own paperwork is shady as hell.
illegal space alien.
illegal alien
So no Englishman from New York?
Does he like his toast done on one side…?
No no no, you see he’s white! /s
“Strange visitor from another planet” is one of the first things most people learn about him, right after him being neither a bird nor a plane.
and conservatives are losing their minds
“he can’t be! He isn’t brown!”
Apparently there is a black version of Superman in some comics and they were making a movie of him. Sadly, the movie has been cancelled.
To be fair, the cancelled movie would have been with Will Smith. I’m ok being without a Will Smith Superman movie. Steel did get his own movie, but without any Superman IP in it.
They already made a Will Smith Superman movie. He was a drunk hobo version of Superman.
oh yeah. It was ok.
But that’s nothing new. In Smallville there is one episode in which Clark literally said to his mother Martha that he is an illegal alien too.
That’s all? That’s why they’re upset? Sigh, it’s as if someone accidentally farts and then they rage.
Isn’t he kinda right though? If I remember well, Superman came from another planet.
There are two plausible explanations:
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People think immigrant refers to a person who chose to move. Since Superman didn’t arrive on Earth by choice, he’s not an immigrant. This is, of course, incorrect.
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People think the term immigrant only refers to people who look “different” compared to what is common in the region. This is, of course, racist.
If they’re okay with immigrants who didn’t come by choice, then all the children who were brought to America illegally by their parents should be allowed to stay and everyone born in America should be allowed to stay citizens.
As for Superman not looking like an immigrant, it is actually a big coincidence in-universe that he happens to look like a white human. There’s no Europe on Krypton.
As for Superman not looking like an immigrant, it is actually a big coincidence in-universe that he happens to look like a white human. There’s no Europe on Krypton.
Now I want an alternate-universe Superman who happens to be black, and lands in racist-as-hell-ville in the rural USA.
he would be a refugee.
Refugees are a type of immigrant though.
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He also said that Superman is kind, and that bothered them too.
He also renounced his US citizenship in Action Comics #900 like 15 years ago.
This movie won me over when I saw Krypto and the fortress Bots. That’s the kind of stuff I’ve always wanted, but then idiots like Bryan Singer and Christopher Nolan (who clearly hate and are embarrassed by the source material) show up and want to make everything dark and “realistic” so characters like krypto don’t make it to the movies. Fuck realism, im watching a movie about a super alien fighting monsters, i don’t want realism in my comic book movies
I don’t think Christopher Nolan was embarrassed by Batman and he only made a standalone trilogy. If he was embarrassed by Batman, he wouldn’t have included an homage to Adam West Batman.
Singer and Synder are just edgelords. You can find them at any comic book store arguing about something stupid, but tolerated longer then they should be because they spend the most money.
On the Synder track, 300 is just a really uncomfortable movie. It’s a propaganda movie for a hell-state.
Isn’t that like the point? The whole movie is visualization of the propaganda speech that the narrator (Dilios) is making before the battle of Plataea.
Did anyone walk away from that movie thinking “this is an unreliable narrator story and we shouldn’t take the fash-y elements at face value” or was it “damn the Spartans were bad ass”?
I thought it was weird that the “Heroes” threw deformed babies off a cliff and then when one of the deformed babies who survived, took the opportunity to betray the Spartans. What did Miller and Snyder mean by that?
But yeah - the way that the film portrays the treatment of disabled people is especially gross. Pay attention to who is in the court of Xerxes - the acceptance of disabled bodies is presented as akin to the sort of “decadence” of these evil Persians. (If a necromancer brought Edward Said back to life to watch 300, it would probably kill him again.)
The movie is basically a Triumph of the Will for Spartans and torture for anyone who’s actually researched Greek history (Leonidus calling the Athenians “boy lovers” is teeth gritting, part of a Spartan education was getting fucked by older men…)
I like realism. I also like fantasy. It’s interesting to see different peoples takes on these characters imo. I think it would be boring if every time they make a new Superman franchise it was exactly like the last one.
I 100% expected this movie to suck and was even saying up to its release that it would flop.
I’ve seen all the Superman movies since the 80s. And all the TV shows.
This is my favorite movie.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/48819895
Some conversations about it here. No spoilers, as of this writing.
zack snyder and cristopher nolan turned goofy do-gooder superheroes into unfeeling federal agents and gods we should be subservient to
The cinematic-repubLkan-universe kindness is weakness… Good doesn’t pretend to be evil. But evil does pretend to be good…ffs, 'the list is on my desk…"
I just came out of watching the new movie.
In the scene in which Clark gets interviewed, seen also in the trailer, it is transparent that Superman is with Francesca Albanese on a very current issue.
That’s what they are mad about.
I guess WB/DC is gonna fall out of grace.
That makes me more interested in watching it honestly.
I am not an American and I have never been a Superman fan. I had fun, I felt represented, I was entertained, cannot wait for a sequel, am looking forward for Peacemaker S2 and whatever else is planned.
Warmly recommended. I really think all Americans should see it, as it may have a very good and stronger effect on them.
I’m out of the loop here. I’ve seen something about the most recent director or writer calling Superman an immigrant, and Dean Cain hating on that take and calling it “woke”. But I haven’t seen anyone expressing that Superman should not represent kindness.
FWIW if you are looking at reviews for an upcoming or recently released movies, and a lot of the comments are calling it “too political” or “woke”, give it a watch and come back with your own review. Those reviews are an indicator to me that it might be somewhat thought-provoking. (or also don’t watch if you have no interest in the subject)
Yes, people are angry that the director talked about Superman being an immigrant (even though he has been from another planet since the character was concieved) and they are also angry about the director saying Superman represents kindness, because apparently just being nice to people is woke now
Sadly not a new issue for Superman. His backstory was even retconned in the comics for a bit to have his spaceship give birth to him so he could be born in America.
What? When? I’m not a Superman fan, but even I know he was born on Krypton or whatever his planet was, and his parents were royalty I think, and they sent him to Earth as a baby to survive, where he was raised by farmers to be a GOOD YOUNG AMERICAN WHITEBOY but then he discovers his powers and thankfully his parents were actually good people and not goddamned nazis and he goes around helping people and fighting his greatest enemy, Lex Luthor that bald guy that represents capitalism whose name is way too close to the Christian devil.
So he’s an anchor baby? The reason we need to repeal birthright citizenship?
…anchor baby, too: brought along his uncle, his cousins, his dog, his monkey, his robot…
I’m seeing comments on Facebook telling me “he’s not an immigrant, he’s an alien from space”. I’m so confused as to how they don’t consider someone from a different planet to be an immigrant
What was that post from 4chan telling aliens to fuck off, and calling them space [REDACTED]s? Magats are so fucking stupid and evil, that they would tell Superman to fuck off.
But I haven’t seen anyone expressing that Superman should not represent kindness.
Isn’t the take more like “You think it’s super-human to be kind?!?”
