More than half of Americans believe that Immigration and Customs Enforcement has gone “too far” in its pursuit of arresting migrants, according to a new poll.
While 54 percent said ICE has used its power too aggressively, the sentiment was even greater among Democrats at 83%, according to a poll by PBS News, NP and Marist.
Nearly half of Republicans, by contrast, said ICE’s actions are appropriate and an additional 31% said the agency had not gone far enough in enforcing Donald Trump’s mass deportation agenda.
The vast majority of Americans (80%) support the U.S. government’s deportation of migrants without permanent legal status who have been convicted of a violent crime.
Seems like the number is too low.
People have to remember the majority of Americans barely know wtf is going on in their own country. They aren’t high-information like the kind of people on lemmy or reddit. They have no idea how bad it is yet.
I’ve recently had a thought that direct democracy is possible.
I’ll elaborate:
Sometimes we (humans or even societies) don’t update our ideas for the new information.
Say, when I was in kindergarten, I was once sitting behind a table waiting for my mom to get me. A kindergarten teacher put a box with a puzzle in front of me. When I was leaving, I took it. It was apparently intended for another kid who had a birthday.
(I’m autistic, so I have rather early memories.)
So - I was ashamed of this for many years until I realized this was bog standard entrapment and the only thing that teacher wanted, probably, was to feel how forgiving they are and probably better than my parents.
That realization was when I revised the old idea for additional information I had as an adult.
The elaboration itself:
This can be applied to direct democracy.
It’s considered impractical to have a national vote on every issue, because big countries have more stuff to deal with using laws, and because it’s technically challenging, and because the crowd is unwise.
But! The general populace’s ideas of what is practical and what isn’t for democracies are from the times when living people would switch telephone calls.
We live in a world where you can have a national vote every day and all the facilities have been created many times, with cryptographic signatures, with highly loaded systems like those of Facebook and other social media. We can have direct non-anonymous democracy, it’s not impractical.
And also the so-called Soviet democracy (not the USSR, or rather it existed purely on paper in the USSR, except its first few years and last few years) is often considered impractical, because it can be disrupted by recalling higher council members from the lower ones, putting pressure on the lower layer councils’ electors, but I beg your pardon, in today’s world that wouldn’t be a disruption.
One could make an argument in favor of not relying upon the Internet and computers for such important institutes, but unfortunately the inverted way of using these opportunities is already embraced to effectively kill democracies.
So it’s better to think of some thoroughly resilient global system of discussion and voting over the Internet, other than discard the idea.
I like it, let’s try it. I’m sure there are pitfalls but they can’t be worse than what we have now.
Even though Trump is still underwater on immigration, it’s his highest performing issue.
That is just frighteningly upsetting
Just like Netanyahu with the handling of Gaza. Lots of people approve. Some people think he’s not going fascist enough.
The fuck are these 17% Democrats who are down with tax dollars paying for masked badgeless plainclothes abductions into unmarked vehicles?
welcome to the wolfman constant. always assume any polling data over ~65% is an overwhelming majority and that ~75% or more effectively indicates “everyone with a functioning brain”
then think about that 95% of black women voted against this
wolfman constant
DDG isn’t giving me any returns for this, can you ELI5?
in any given population 15% will believe they’ve encountered a wolfman. i’ll try to find you the info, but basically it’s about how when sampling data for what a collective believes you’ll always find some absolute kooks
TIL about the wolfman constant. I never had a clever name for it, but I had the “hopeless dipshit percentage” at 25 to 33%. That’s the number of people who can’t name a single branch of the US government, think Obama is a Kenyan citizen, think Sadam Hussein caused 9/11, think astrology is real science, and professed that they would support Trump literally no matter what he said or did.
Same. The moment the other person said “75% is everyone with a functioning brain,” I immediately thought of the ever present 25-35% of some population are in favor of “horrible metric”. Then just apply this to everything.
Please do, it sounds interesting
Their opinion doesn’t count, as long as the big corporations and racist lobbyists are happy, the people’s will means nothing.
The Trumpistan party doesn’t intend to be elected ever again. That’s their last attempt. They try to take the country by a coup now. They don’t intend to face any votings, ever again. That’s why they’re acting like this.
Exactly, that’s where I was trying to get to, is there a plan, general strike, mass protests to cripple the country? Or is it going to be a wimper into the goodnight…
Project 2025 had martial law as one of the final or near final steps. We’re almost there.
When all the madness started I was reminded of an 80’s movie called Red Dawn. Although this isn’t a traditional invasion, I’m quite dissapointed in Americans response so far.
You just made me feel old.
GenX old :)
Good thing the Senate just voted to give ICE 200 billion dollars
Almost four times the Marines request for the budget. Why the fuck do they need that much money!? Oh right, ggrrrrriiiiffffttt!
More than just grift… this is the new militant wing of MAGA. They’re a new branch of armed forces that operate entirely on our soil. We’ve got concentration camps opening, we’ve got a MASSIVELY funded brown-shirts, and dark tech civilian-profiling AI behind all that… This is pretty much my worst fears from last November coming to life.
I hope it turns out to be just a big embezzlement scheme like everything in the US.
It is a little bizarre those that were screaming about Obama’s death camps are now cheering on Trump’s Alligator Alcatraz. Truly propaganda, misinformation, public relations, etc. should be tightly regulated or just outright banned in order to have a functional society.
It’s actually Alligator Auschwitz
The problem is that last one:
The vast majority of Americans (80%) support the U.S. government’s deportation of migrants without permanent legal status who have been convicted of a violent crime.
How far can “violent” and “conviction” be stretched in order to justify wrongful deportations?
Well, peaceful protests are considered violent. Disagreeing with Trump is considered a mental illness. And supporting Palestine is considered anti-American. Sooo, basically we’re all targets.
When you are talking about a survey, the “how far” is specific to each person. So it is a bad question. But no matter how Donny interprets it, the answer to the “have they gone too far” tells you Donnys interpretation is too far for the majority.
It seems to me that they can be stretched just shy of infinitely, because sources aren’t reliable and people aren’t paying attention. That is, when a source reports on what’s happening with as little bias and editorializing as humanly possible, it is labeled as “left bias” while the conservative news sources don’t bother talking about the problems with ICE at all. As long as that’s the case, they can basically get away with anything because their human rights abuses won’t get enough coverage or will be dismissed by enough of the population that it won’t actually have an impact.
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17% of democrats think abducting people to death camps is totally fine.
Fuck all of them.
More than 17% Those are just the ones who’ll admit to it.
All those Dems clutching their pearls over “Defund ICE” posters are very happy to see Hispanics ethnically cleansed.
Get used to it. They’re coming after natural born citizens next, and the courts will allow it. Congress will continue to do nothing.
They did do something. They passed the big beautiful bill that has funding for more ice detention centers and expansions.
3 times the budget for the Marines. Crazy
54 percent seems low… Bad media literacy or wilful ignorance?
Both. Also the hate frenzy. Lots of people swept up in a hate frenzy
Well only 83% of Dems are critical of it. So 54% means a decent amount of Reps are critical, which is more than I would think.
That’s horrifyingly low
How the hell is it only 83% of Democrats?
Doesn’t matter what the polls say, they and Donny could have -100% support and they would still arrest your ass because of a meme you posted or what ethnicity your great great great grandfather was.
Stop complaining about it and start lining them up for curb stomping wherever you see them, you know, as a community.
Also, fuck your violence rules bullshit - nazis aren’t people, I’m basically suggesting we curb stomp a cancerous growth.
And before some of you geniuses start claiming I’m the same as them - first, go fuck yourself. Second, I hate them based on their world view - a malleable thing they are in control of. Not their race, not their hair color, not their parents country of origin.
Nazi lives do not matter, kill em when you can if you can get away with it.
Show, don’t tell.
More than fair. Working on my community organizing skills as a start.
Are democrats not Americans? How oddly worded.
Not if Trump gets his way
America got exactly what they voted for. Dear Leader promised mass arrests, deportations, and incarceration.
