I would say the US has an executive with aspirations to implement aspects of a fascist state. As long as millions of people are protesting in the streets, the courts are ruling against the executive on points of law and people are standing their ground it is still a long road for the executive to get where they want to go. If the country really was full fascist you would be totally fucked and being shipped with your family to a concentration camp for disloyalty to great leader right now.
Unlike some other countries where law enforcement and prisons might be state run on principle, the US has a history of privatizing such functions. They had the union busting Pinkerton thugs, for profit prisons and bounty hunters. A society that didn’t cry out when the Pinkertons were busting the heads of working people or kids were being railroaded into for profit prison slavery shouldn’t be surprised when thugs are clearing the streets of immigrants. That is just America sadly. That nastiness has always been there.
For Texas at least, under penal code 9.31(a)(1-3) it’s presumed to be reasonable self defense to use force (it specifically does not mention what kind of force, but it is assumed that deadly force is included, I think) against a person who “was committing or attempting to commit aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery.”
Apt
Are people in denial? It just seems like a commonly understood thing. I’ve talked to straight CNN consuming boomers and even they see it for what it is.
For the record I’m in Canada so maybe it’s just hard to see from the inside.
If they aren’t in the streets they are in denial
America supported the Nazis during World War II. It was all just a weaken Russia. And it’s never really just one thing. You know, it’s multiple things. The control structure feeds into itself many different ways. It’s almost as if we live in and like a spider’s web. Our sole existence on this planet is to support the control structure and that control structure is worse than fascism. Capitalism in crisis creates the populist movements, especially the “good old days types” To crawl out of their crevices and beat their chest, and basically be guided like a horse by the ruling class in order for us to tear ourselves apart in order for law and order to set in and the new standards to begin… I mean we are one of the most subservient and cucked societies that’s ever existed in human history. This will all become more apparent as the climate changes, and we all become climate refugees.I think liberals are becoming more radical and yet they don’t realize that the majority of the real left wing in America has already viewed America as a fascist regime for a long time. Also, some of these liberal movements I think will be co-opted and kind of turned into fascist action. I mean liberals are honestly the number one reason why we have no progress in this country. They occupy the space that should be filled with people that understand the evils of capitalism. But we remember Nancy Pelosi talking about a free market economy, whatever the fuck that means. I mean that bitch is too busy counting her money and getting her hair done. To be more specific, America is an imperialist empire, and fascists are the useful idiots of empire. Yankees live in a vacuum. The libturds are always late to the party. I literally could of had kids. I was on the path and I chose not to because I knew too much. And so that’s why I can say things so “negatively” and freely. I see the world as it is, not as I want it to be. My ear has been to the ground for a long time. I’ve read a lot, listen to a lot. I’ve seen a lot. There is no war but the class war i can guarantee that. Capitalism is a system of the lowest common denominator. It is reflexive based upon emotion and not needs. We won’t solve our problems using this current economic system. Artificial intelligence is scary because it’s stupid, not because it’s actually capable of being accurate or helpful. And we literally feed into it. Without us, it does nothing. It needs data sets. It needs certain things. One of those things will be water. Just basic public utilities is gonna be shit and way out of reach for most people. There will be more homelessness and they’ll just throw them in prison and make them work for free. They’ll trick you in to taking out credit that you can’t pay because they want to put you in jail. All these things have happened in history. It’s just a lazy man’s solution to a problem, especially when they just view you as cattle. The people at the top are by far the most cruel and unprincipled disgusting human beings that have ever existed in society. We live in an inversion. A world where evolution is an exponential decay function.
I read you thing, bro, it did not fall on deaf ears. Bit chaotic and rambling. Type the tune of the imperial march if youre not a robot.
Is it legal in the US to shoot people who are trying to kidnap you?
I mean, anyone can go around claiming to be law enforcement or ICE or whatever, but with no badge or ID, how are people supposed to know that this isn’t a gang trying to trafic them?
In vast majority of states there is a stand-your-ground law in place, which means you’re explicitly allowed to use deadly force if you reasonably believe that you’re defending yourself from a violent crime, and in minority there is a duty to retreat while outside of your home or workplace, which means that you still are allowed to use deadly force, but you have to try to retreat first, and only use force if you are reasonably sure that you can’t run away.
Kidnapping by a group of people in plain clothes in an unmarked van is explicitly stated as an example of a case where use of deadly force is permitted by law.I’m pretty sure self defence doesn’t apply against law enforcement, even if you don’t know they are law enforcement.
It may not, but imo you do what you have to do to protect yourself against aggravated kidnapping, and then hope you/your lawyer can articulate how/why you did what you did later in court.
There have been cases where firing upon law enforcement who failed to adequately identify as such has counted as self defence
you’re almost there
I think that would count as self defence.
but would the court?
According to law, it’s a matter of law in most of the states, and matter of jury instructions in a limited number of states. In other words, it is explicitly a law.
Cracks me the fuck up the rest of the world thinks this now.
This has been the case since Bush passed Citizens United and it was even happening before that. RIP Rosenbergs.
I thought Citizens United was an Obama thing. Are you sure you don’t mean the Patriot Act?
It happened during the Obama administration but it was in response to shit under Bush from people being critical of him/his admin. Obama did not support Citizens United.
I thought it was a Supreme Court thing? What did Obama do?
Not every bad law is fascism.
I would say only in a vacuum.
It’s called “disappearing someone” and it was something that was supposedly done by dictators and tyrants.
Like today’s USA.
There’s gotta be
criminalsnon-ICE who exploit this. Like it must be so easy now for ransomers to kidnap somebody.Did you not see the security company guy who dressed as a cop and murdered a state senator, her husband, and shot another state senator?
But see, it was the other team, so it’s okay.
Thanks. Google was serving me nothing but slop
as if by design…
Thanks. Since moving from Reddit to Lemmy, I’ve become way more aware of what I’m clicking on. I’m pretty sure the amp project links are just for mobile phones n stuff, but it’s good to be aware
What may have been the largest organized protests in American history were just a few days back, the president has record-breakingly low approval, even his own party’s talking heads are turning against him. If you’re not going to be satisfied by anything short of armed uprising then at least be brave enough to say as much, but pretending that Americans just don’t see anything wrong and aren’t doing anything is an act of wilful and blatant ignorance.
You know what Hitler did when he had low approval? He made disapproving illegal.
Just wait for it.
I wouldn’t rest on your laurels just yet. You’ll know when you’ve begun to turn the tide because the beast will lash out. The restraint we are seeing right now just means they’ve got a whole lot more in the tank.
You dont have to look further than last October to see this same type of hubris play out. Kamala had momentum and there was 100% a point where if the vote happend then she would have won. For what ever reason they backed off on the “weird” stuff and started rolling out the neocons. The DNC is going to fuck you and you wont even see it coming.
You’re only proving that you don’t actually have any idea what’s going on here, acting like we’re resting on our laurels because there was a big protest. Nobody here is thinking “Yeah we made ourselves heard, job’s done!” Nobody here says the fight is won, but you’re out here acting like nothing is being done at all.
No. Im pushing like I’ve been pushing for the last 8 years. Grow up.
Is your goal that we should just… not say this is illegal? Not argue that it’s not okay? Literally fold and accept fascism?
Because that seems to be the narrative you’re pushing, which is the polar opposite of constructive in this situation.
Super weird and suspect that every thread seems to be full of people saying this is normal. That this is just how it is, that it’s been going on forever, and that anyone who has an issue with it is being unrealistic. Really, really weird. Almost like they’re cryptofascists.
HMMMMMMMM.
Seems like you totally misunderstood the OP. Like, you understood the exact opposite of what they wrote.
Me?
I mean America is a fascist regime. And you know who support fascism? Fascists. So I guess most fascists are kinda OK with what’s happening.
That’s not denial, that’s full endorsement.
Must be nice living in such a black and white world.
I wonder what chain of thought led you to this conclusion, which is very strange to me. But at the same time, I’m not willing to start some kind of futile quarell over this so… well, have it your way and have a good day.
This argument will just give the fascist leverage to call you a fascist. They are pros at projection and sadly you dont stand a chance.
The issue is fascists are going to lie regardless. There is nothing we can say, no way we can act that will prevent that. It is pointless to try.
Not asking that we try to confront the fascist populous. Asking we confront the fascist government.
I fail to see how this responds to my comment.
The op was saying americans are fascist so it makes sense the government is fascist. To claim the general populace is fascist will only get you in a shouting match of who the most fascist is. A distraction from what really matters, addressing the fascist regime occupying the white house.
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Apparently not because they keep doing it and are effective in their propaganda when they have no right to be.
Fun fact: you know who gave them that power? Bill Motherfucking Clinton. And he fucking did it for money.
How long will people
The Gestapo could be hauling them away in cuffs and putting them away in camps and some will just go “why is this happening to me? there must be some mistake”
Anyone who is still on the fence is either only tuned into propaganda or is incapable of reasoning.
Or still thinks that the leopard won’t eat their face, because it hasn’t so far.
Yeah, for many the leopard has to actually be eating their face directly at the moment for it to be a problem.
There has to be some serious level of being downtrodden that’s required to like empathy for everyone else in the world that’s not them.
That’s 'Murica in a nutshell
What strikes me about the covid epidemic was how obedient people were. It showed that it was possible to shut down whole societies on a global scale. It was a real crisis that provided an unexpected opportunity for mass propaganda. Political strategists surely took notice. It must have looked possible then to submit a whole population into fascism and that’s what we’re seeing now. Real power is with the people though. It lays dormant and it merely needs to be awakened by a timely spark.
What? The fact people are willing to protect themselves from a harmful disease is evidence we can be brainwashed? Brains got washed, but they are not the ones you think that got “cleaned”. You think it is strange that people followed guidelines put out by professionals in their fields as some form of brainwashing? That’s funny, and sad. It’s why we put those people in those positions, unlike now, where you have people going against experts and governing by “feelings”. This is such a fucking terrible timeline…
I wrote that it was a real crisis and I didn’t use the term “brainwash”. The fact that people complied to official guidelines is of course a good thing in the event of a pandemic. But there was also overshooting. Not everything made sense. And there was definitely a lack of critical thinking and an absence of open debate. But my point is that it was apparently possible to create a high degree of conformity from above, a useful insight when you’re trying to eradicate democracy and supplant it by fascism. How else would you explain the ease of what has been described as a coup for the past 5 months?
A life threatening, highly contagious epidemic, is NOT the time for “open debate”! Sheesh, this wins today’s “Stupidest comment on the Internet” award.
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You’re an idiot
You just proved why “an open debate” and “critical thinking” among people who have no clue at all are pretty bad ideas during a pandemic.
My gf at the time spent a month in bed as a result of COVID. She was hallucinating about dead family members for a week in the middle. Fuck off with your “fat or had pre-existing conditions, most of which are fully controlled by diet or exercise.” She’s certainly not overweight and had no pre-existing conditons, nor was she elderly. Go fuck yourself until you have worn your fuck stick down to a nub and have no more fucks to give, you ignorant piece of shit of a person.
Oh my god, do we get to bully a covid denier in the year of our lord, 2025? That shit is old news, man. You’re like 4 years out of date.
Getting the vaccine if you are able is your civic duty. Not to your country, but to your fellow people. Your grandmother. The fact that you’re scared of a needle I think just kinda makes you a coward. Where is your bravery? You’re not getting any more apple tarts if you let your grandma die.
Early on, when the disease was just starting to spread, an absolutely critical time during a pandemic, nobody knew whether any of the crap you just spouted, was applicable. Just the people who gained their medical qualifications from Fox News, and thought they knew more than the actual experts, were excreting your kind of argument. NOBODY had been “exposed and recovered” at that time, fool. Conspiracy theorists have NO place in public health discourse. You, and your ignorant ilk, are the reason so many people died unnecessarily.
You must have not experienced covid in the United States. All I saw here was a hectic shitshow full of scores of people utterly rejecting any semblance of disease guidance - going so far as doing the opposite of whatever the institutions recommended. Then there were a few redeeming groups who decided to play ball - not out of obedience, but out of love and respect for vulnerable groups.
I am indeed from Europe, where streets were at times completely empty and at other times you had to walk in designated lanes. Mask mandates everywhere and unvaccinated people were ostracized.
If such a tiny thing like wearing a mask is too much to ask from you, your opinion is not worth shit in this debate.
It means you can’t even accept minor inconveniences to save the lives of yourself or others.
If you are so incredibly egotistic, and so incredibly short sighted that you can’t even do that, your opinion is obviously garbage and not worth listening to.
As they should be.
Our perceptions of the covid pandemic wildly differ
They’re following a playbook that is about 100 years old though. This is nothing like Covid.
Now? You think this happens at the drop of a hat? The entire system is built that way since decades.
Right? The fuck these people think Vietnam was?
An international hug, with Agent Orange. That’s a tasty breakfast beverage, right?
