The moment the inconvenience of jail or ending up dying during an insurrection is better than the actual situation, shit is gonna spiral. People will riot violently, government is gonna fuck with the lives of folks who didn’t, more will join, more will get fucked, and repeat until Donnie is no more.

What do you mean “even”? Gruesome Newsom is the shittiest lib of them all

What? So then how is this “absolutely right”?

It’s like this 

Let me break it down very simply:

Did you ever get bullied in school or see a bully terrorize other kids?

Was the bully stopped by appeals for him to act nicely? Was the bully stopped by the administration? Did the bully stop beating a kid when the kid didn’t fight back?

Yes the bully will beat another kid and then cry wolf when the kid defends itself. However the administration full well knows who the bully is and decides to side with him anyways.

If you fight back you might loose. If you don’t fight back you will definitely loose.

When people are having members of their community kidnapped at graduation ceremonies, hearing stories of secret police trying to enter elementary schools to abduct 1st graders, that affects you. Masked agents of the state who hide their identities are routinely disappearing people, and when communities respond to protect each other from abduction, or protest these monstrous actions, the police show up to disperse them so the kidnappers can do what they came to do. They routinely attack people unprovoked.

If you have never been to a protest where the cops decided to escalate, you cannot know how crystal clear the barbarity becomes. These cops have been pelting peaceful people with pepper balls, tear gas, concussion grenades, and baton rounds. According to a study, those “less lethal” rubber rounds permanently injure ~15% of the people hit by them. 3% are killed, eventually dying to injuries sustained.

Here’s a video of someone being shot with one point blank for asking an officer to identify himself, who refuses to do so. Here’s a police horse being used to trample a man that is already subdued and surrounded.

The other thing to understand is that while the outrageously ghoulish shit ICE and other state bodies have been getting up to, this situation with the police has been the status quo for a very long time. The same forces have been doing this shit to virtually every form of protest for ages. These are the same people that are responsible for the highest incarceration rate in the world, with a for-profit prison industry, and contracts to exploit incarcerated labour.

The point I’m trying to make here is that the situation is already incredibly violent, that violence has just been normalized, and people are literally trying to protect their neighbors from being kidnapped by the state. Communities have been experiencing relentless institutional and systemic oppression for generations. Appealing to the conscience of people brutalizing and kidnapping targeted groups on behalf of the state is a fool’s errand, they clearly have none.

Asking people to remain completely peaceful is to ask them to sit back and watch their neighbors disappear. It’s to ask them to passively watch as more people get subjected to greater levels of violence, to show up and be beaten themselves for daring to resist the expansion of fascism. Burnt Waymos and shattered glass can be replaced, rebuilt. Objects are not people, and it’s overwhelmingly cops that have been damaging people.

I am not advocating for violence, but I think every person understands the innate urge to rebel against oppression. Whatever shape that takes, people that are not putting their bodies on the line do not get to tell those that are what to do.

There are also people who have no choice in the matter, their bodies are on the line either way because state agents have orders to take control of them in some way or other. Before you think to tell people what they should or should not do, take a moment to ask yourself how it would sound if it was you and yours in that position.

Beyond that, expecting that years of passivity will somehow pay off is absurd. If it worked, the situation would be getting better over time, not worse. This regime is going to escalate no matter what, it’s already deporting dissidents and shipping innocent people off to foreign concentration camps. They’re already actively trying to revoke citizenship from all sorts, unilaterally criminalizing completely law-abiding people overnight.

We know where this road leads. Whatever actions people take to shut it down, history will be on their side.

Not OP but for your second bullet, the idea is that we’re getting the insurrection act or martial law pretty much no matter what because trump wants it and is looking for any excuse.

So, if it’s going to happen anyway, why not do it on our terms?

FD is FDR I guess?

Their “plan” is just push back juuust enough to make you calm down and then they’ll help entrench Nazism further.

The lib politicians did not roll over to facism, they rolled over for money … for loosely regulated and barely looked at Super PAC donations and withdrawals. They rolled over for legalized corruption. Fascism is just the gift wrap that they had to take those presents in.

This lady is kind of right. We are not likely to vote our way out of this.

We can’t help it, we need more theory according to one post, but critical reading and critical thinking are hard, especially when even secondary school reading comprehension has abysmal standards. I read better than most I know and struggle with it.

I’m going to assume conscious == conscience :)

I used to defend JordanLund when people called him a Zionist

After his recent actions banning anti-zionist voices on WorldNews, banning Independent media that reports on the genocide, and banning pro-palestinian emancipatory slogans, it’s overwhelmingly obvious he is at the very least a Zionist Sympathizer

He’s also terribly reactionary on many social issues

Muh brotha!

saying the only thing that stops fascists is bullets in their brains

So, first off, banning this as violence suggests stopping fascists is generally desirable; a position i don’t think he shares.

Second: that’s blatantly untrue. They’re not, like, werewolves. Putting aside how that whole myth is an allegory for the abuse cycle and they kind of are. There’s lots of places shooting them would work, depending on the bullet and availability of medical care. Plus, things other than bullets that worked. There’s ectensive research by zukov et al suggesting it can be done with an artillery shell, and anecdotes from research in the pacific islands backing the ‘sharp stick’ hypothesis.

So maybe you’re the real fascist.

Jordan probably is reading this, he loves scanning comments for people talking about him and then whining about it. Same for a few other common .world users.

But man, Jordan literally banned one of my favorite users from a community because they caught Jodan lying about his poitions and documenting the fact the Dems actively did not care about the lives of brown people home and abroad and queer folk.

.world is a shitlib encampment.