…I can’t use a /s for this. Because, honestly, we might have a shooting war within a decade. I think most of our politicians don’t understand why the social contract was a thing.
Not with that attitude. Seems like MAGA succeeded in organizing sufficiently.
What are you gonna do? Kill all CEOs? And then? Kill all politicians? And then? Police? Military? Dissidents? Do you just keep killing? How do you handle the resulting societal trauma?
How exactly do you think any of that can achieve sustainable, progressive change?
So what do you propose? What are the logistics of it? How do you organize to take out enough systems to take over? What do you do afterwards?
Life isn’t some fantastical action story, it’s the incredibly complex reality we all live in where a single person cannot fathom all the variables therein. You are not trying to understand, you are not trying to be effective, you’re just circle jerking in your fantasy world. And as long as many people keep doing that, living in some kind of hyper-real abstraction of reality, the people actually smart enough to organize and get into power will be able to do whatever they want. You’re just another enabler.
That is simply not true. Violence is the last resort, and many movements were successful before that. Violence can be effective, but needs to be measured. You must get people on your side, and you won’t achieve that through murder.
Of course it’s more complicated, but in general, to effect lasting change, you need widespread support and a good narrative, just look at MAGA. They didn’t kill people to get into power, they were elected. Now that they are in power, they have legitimacy and can start disposing of the undesirables however they want, slowly turning up the heat.
I agree with the premise, it just doesn’t change anything. Change needs to be political, and as long as you keep the neoliberal fuckwits and fascists in power, there will always be enough parasites to fill the empty place.
Change needs to be cultural. So long as we live in our current cultural distinctions of “mine and thine” instead of some sort of collaborative being then this will keep on happening.
That flows directly from the bedrock of our culture which is “Your worth as a human is determined by the work you do in service of building wealth for those above you.”
And yet we get banned for talking about the solution.
Well that’s the power of federation.
Except… when most of the action happens in one spot.
We get banned for talking about increasing taxes on the wealthy through like progressive tax policy?
Sweet summer child, that won’t happen. It’s far more likely that we just kill them all before those things get voted in.
Asking the rich to be less rich doesn’t seem to be working so well to me.
So how do we increase taxes on them when they control all our politicians?
No politicians, no problem.
…I can’t use a /s for this. Because, honestly, we might have a shooting war within a decade. I think most of our politicians don’t understand why the social contract was a thing.
Senseless killing is a superficial solution. Organization is the sustainable, but less glamurous one.
That won’t ever work in the US.
Not with that attitude. Seems like MAGA succeeded in organizing sufficiently.
What are you gonna do? Kill all CEOs? And then? Kill all politicians? And then? Police? Military? Dissidents? Do you just keep killing? How do you handle the resulting societal trauma?
How exactly do you think any of that can achieve sustainable, progressive change?
Whatever it takes, and peaceful solutions have proven ineffective for decades.
So what do you propose? What are the logistics of it? How do you organize to take out enough systems to take over? What do you do afterwards?
Life isn’t some fantastical action story, it’s the incredibly complex reality we all live in where a single person cannot fathom all the variables therein. You are not trying to understand, you are not trying to be effective, you’re just circle jerking in your fantasy world. And as long as many people keep doing that, living in some kind of hyper-real abstraction of reality, the people actually smart enough to organize and get into power will be able to do whatever they want. You’re just another enabler.
All you have is “organize” or “awareness.” Your action plan is as circle jerky as ours. My guess is you like the direction the country is going in.
My personal solution is to get out of the house and watch it burn from the neighbor’s yard.
Senseless killing is a superficial solution. Organization is the sustainable, but less glamorous one.
That would be a brilliant point if anyone, at all, ever, advocated for senseless killing.
Untrue, naked violence has solved more conflicts in this world than anything else so yeah
That is simply not true. Violence is the last resort, and many movements were successful before that. Violence can be effective, but needs to be measured. You must get people on your side, and you won’t achieve that through murder.
Of course it’s more complicated, but in general, to effect lasting change, you need widespread support and a good narrative, just look at MAGA. They didn’t kill people to get into power, they were elected. Now that they are in power, they have legitimacy and can start disposing of the undesirables however they want, slowly turning up the heat.
You will rarely achieve love through hate.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2019/02/why-nonviolent-resistance-beats-violent-force-in-effecting-social-political-change/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_movement_impact_theory
https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/nonviolence
https://activisthandbook.org/tactics/nonviolent-resistance
Heh. Senseless.
I agree with the premise, it just doesn’t change anything. Change needs to be political, and as long as you keep the neoliberal fuckwits and fascists in power, there will always be enough parasites to fill the empty place.
Change needs to be cultural. So long as we live in our current cultural distinctions of “mine and thine” instead of some sort of collaborative being then this will keep on happening.
That flows directly from the bedrock of our culture which is “Your worth as a human is determined by the work you do in service of building wealth for those above you.”