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It’s like watching a delayed version of US and UK politics. complete with the hard-right neoliberals doing some Identity Politics Whitewashing after a major defeat by making a pro-wealthy politician who happens to be of the female gender their leader in order to claim they’re progressive rather than regressive.
As if they didn’t eagerly support the biggest Discrimination around by all metrics - that based on Wealth.
ITT: people acting like absolute smug assholes to anyone who anyone that knows the actual meaning of basic words but not how politicians have twisted that word in select countries. Seriously, anyone that wants to complain about American exceptionalism needs to come to this thread and see these dickheads being snarky and shitting on people for not being intimately familiar with their country’s inner workings. I bet that if I blocked certain people from this thread, my over all Lemmy experience would improve dramatically.
No one is doing that because Americans are ignorant of another countries inner workings, they’re doing that because Americans are ignorant of the worlds workings.
We don’t expect much, but if the world says 2+2=4, we don’t want you coming around saying it means 5.
Seppo detected.
Someone that thinks the world revolves around them detected.
This is the same woman who had to resign as minister in 2017 because to went to the Gold Coast on the public’s purse to buy an investment unit… the Libs have short memories
Despite the name, the Australian Liberal Party is anything but liberal.
It was as a young woman that she changed her name from Susan to Sussan, inspired by numerology - an ancient belief that numbers have a mystical impact on people’s lives.
“I read about this numerology theory that if you add the numbers that match the letters in your name you can change your personality,” she told The Australian.
“I worked out that if you added an ‘s’ I would have an incredibly exciting, interesting life and nothing would ever be boring. It’s that simple.”
Hoo boy.
Seppo detected.
Liberalism in the rest of the world means what our party is, you Americans warped the meaning to something progressive. That is unique to you.
I’m south East Asian living in europe, never been to the US.
Well you need to stop acting like an American, because even Euro’s know what a Liberal is.
In contrast, European liberals usually favor limited government, free trade, and adhere to economic liberalism.[10]
In the context of European politics, a liberal (when the word is used without a modifier) is generally understood to refer to a classical liberal, who may be either centre-left or centre-right. As a result, a European classical liberal usually refers to a centre-right person with prominent economically liberal tendencies
As an European (who had lived in multiple countries in Europe) I can tell you that around here Liberal actually means Neoliberal.
Sure, they pay lip service to a selected set of inequalities (and even then, with massive selectivity and hypocrisy - for example they will at times express anti-Arab and anti-Muslim sentiment) - whilst heavily promoting the secondarisation of the powers elected in Democracy to the power of Money (the whole point of Low Regulation and Privatisation of natural monopolies is that the State which is controlled by the citizens through their vote, comes second to Money) , often openly defending Wealth Inequality.
In Europe the real Classical Liberal ideals tend to be found not in “Liberal” parties but in the mainstream Left, specifically Social Democratic parties.
You know, there is some legitimacy to believing things like that.
The fact that she believes that added an S to her name will make her live a more interesting life will probably encourage her to do things she otherwise would not.
Incredibly fitting for the party:
Ley apologised after using a taxpayer-funded trip to purchase an apartment on Queensland’s Gold Coast.
Whoops, I accidentally purchased a house!
Ley has also drawn headlines for her comments about Palestinians. She was a co-chair of the Parliamentary Friends of Palestine, an informal cross-party group which aimed to raise the experiences of Palestinian people and has spoken in the chamber in support of Palestinian autonomy.
Ooh, that’s really promising…
However, speaking after the vote on Tuesday, one of her colleagues Andrew Wallace said she has “seen the light on Israel in recent years”.
Oh, for fucks sake…
Their name comes from them being economically liberal, not socially liberal.
They aren’t that either. They’re economically challenged, at best.
No argument from me on that, I was just explaining where the name came from :)
What exactly do you mean that they’re not liberal?
The Liberal Party of Australia (LP)[14] is the major centre-right[15][16] political party in Australia.
On the standard conservative - liberal scale, they trend conservative despite their name.
That sounds pretty damn liberal to me. Center right is like the exact definition of liberal.
in many Western European democracies, traditionally the left is associated with socially liberal and economically left values, while the right is traditionally associated with socially conservative and economically right values
Not sure where you’re getting your definitions from?
Where on Earth are you getting your definition from? Economically left values? Liberals? That’s the most absurd thing I’ve ever heard in my life. Liberals have spent the last 300 years murdering people who push for economically left values.
Liberals are the capitalist class. They literally are the founding of the capitalist class. You can’t separate the two. I don’t know if you’ve just never read any history in your life or what but this is an absurd definition you’re using.
Where on Earth are you getting your definition from?
Wikipedia.
this is an absurd definition you’re using.
Given that it’s the definition most of the world is using, I fail to see the absurdity.
Here’s another Wikipedia quote
Until the Great Depression and the rise of social liberalism, classical liberalism was called economic liberalism. Later, the term was applied as a retronym, to distinguish earlier 19th-century liberalism from social liberalism. By modern standards, in the United States the bare term liberalism often means social liberalism whereas in Europe and Australia it often means classical liberalism.
Our liberal party very much matches that, they don’t like taxes or unions, and love businesses and deregulation.
I highly disagree that’s the definition most the world is using. And I think whoever wrote that Wikipedia definition is an idiot.
Also I note you had no arguments to make as to the factual inconsistencies of that definition.
Makes me wonder how they started with Liberal in their name. Perhaps they were liberal from when they formed a hundred years ago and just never updated any of their positions or stances?
they are economically liberal, socially conservative - so they support business and letting it do whatever the fuck it wants
Or it’s like North Korea calling themselves the Democratic People’s Republic
Their name comes from them being economically liberal, not socially liberal.
Worth noting is that she was for decades extremely pro-Palestine and had taken trips there paid for by the PA, but since winning the leadership yesterday has gone back on all of that over night. Even if a conservative has a soul, they sell it for power the second they can.
Thats wild
That’s politics.
Genuine people are the ones who usually get 1-2% of the vote.
To be fair, her job is to represent her party’s policies. Her own personal opinions don’t need to match the party’s policies in all cases.
She looks like a cunt too
She got that sussy.
Trash, just like the AU Liberal party men I’m sure
