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- palestine@lemmy.ml
- endlesswar@lemmy.ca
In February, US President Donald Trump declared that “The US will take over the Gaza Strip” and “level out” the remaining buildings and transfer the Palestinian population to “other countries.” At the time, both US and international media dismissed Trump’s plan as an “outlandish” scheme with no prospect of realization.
The Israeli government approached Trump’s plan with deadly seriousness. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu praised Trump’s “bold vision” for an ethnically cleansed Gaza. “We’re working on it,” Trump said during a meeting in Washington last month.
On Monday, the Netanyahu government effectively announced the beginning of the final stage of ethnic cleansing in Gaza. The plan includes a full military occupation of the entire Gaza Strip and the mass internment of the population in concentration camps under armed guard, as a prelude to forced marches through the desert or deportation by sea.
These concentration camps will be staffed by private US security contractors, with the Israel Defense Forces overseeing the distribution of starvation rations. According to a report this week by Reuters, the United States and Israel are actively discussing the formation of a “transitional government” headed by a US official to administer Gaza.
Echoing the “final solution,” the Nazi term for the genocide of Europe’s Jews, Netanyahu declared, “It’s time to launch the concluding moves.” The next day, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich explained the meaning of the Israeli government’s plan:
Within a year, … Gaza will be entirely destroyed, civilians will be sent to … the south to a humanitarian zone … and from there they will start to leave in great numbers to third countries.
The mechanism for the forcible displacement of the Palestinian people will be mass starvation. As National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir made clear, “No electricity, and no other aid should be allowed—neither by the [Israeli military] nor by civil society.”
On March 2, Israel imposed a total blockade on all food, water and electricity entering the Gaza Strip. As a result, the majority of Gaza’s community kitchens have been forced to shut down due to a lack of supplies, and cases of acute malnutrition have surged by more than 80 percent. Harrowing images have circulated of emaciated, starving children—victims of a famine that is entirely man-made.
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“Don’t you dare compare us to the nazis!! That’s plain antisemitism! You’re a nazi!” I’m sick and fucking tired of this rhetoric. Grow some balls Netanyahu and admit you’re a fucking nazi. The world already knows it.
He literally can’t be a Nazi. Being Anti-Semitic is a core pillar of Nazism.
He is a fascist. Being a fascist is in no way better than Nazism. Calling him a fascist carries the same weight as calling him a Nazi and it is correct, while calling him a Nazi is a impossibility.
Stop using buzzwords. Use the actual terminology.
His dad wrote a book which flirted with suggesting that the Jews who didn’t escape the Holocaust were inferior.
There is some deeply fucked up internal racism in some Jewish communities.
“We can’t possibly be Nazis because we disagree with them about who the Untermensch are.”
If you are expecting fascists to ‘come clean’ you don’t understand fascism
Ok, so does this kick off WW3 or are other nations just going to roll over and allow this to happen?
How the hell is this even a plausible timeline we’re living in?
It’s always been like this. We just have the Internet now so we can learn about it happening.
No, these are unprecedented times and anyone who tells you otherwise is lying for their own ulterior purposes
The only thing new is it’s the US doing it from across the world. This kind of thing has happened many times in history. It has happened in Africa and Asia, the Americas. There are probably elements that are unprecedented, but the bigger story is not.
You think ethnic cleansing is new? They’re literally talking about how this is very similar to what the Nazis did.
The times are quite precedented. We are looking unfortunately similar to Germany in the lead up to WWII.
We are the baddies. We are allowing our governments to do it. We are the German citizens who for whatever reason let Nazi Germany become a murder machine.
Today we are quiet so that we don’t get targeted. How long until we have to pledge our support so that we don’t get targeted? How long until we have to contribute so we don’t get targeted?
And here you have it how Germany turned like this during WWII. Propaganda, and dehumanization of the adversaries. As you can see this is still possible even now.
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Probably easier than ever
first they came for the palestinians…
“Let”
The majority of voters chose this.
If only hillary didn’t win the primary in 2016, then trump wouldn’t have won the election.
Fuck the moderate white.
Wasn’t it closer to slightly more than a third?
Among voters, it was more than half. If you didn’t vote, you don’t count.
Actually, if I recall it was ultimately still slightly less than half (after the massive excess of California votes that don’t count came in). He still had the most votes of the candidates, but no candidate garnered more than half.
Which is really just splitting hairs on a technicality, ultimately 77 million people voted this way, and it would have still been a deep problem even if Harris had won the popular and electoral votes.
I think that misrepresents the situation in a bad way though. Of possible voters, it was barely over a third—they are not a majority, don’t make it appear as though they are
In a democracy, not voting means that you are saying, “I’m fine with whoever the rest of you choose. I’m good with either.”
Zionists deserve all the vigilante justice that’s coming to them.
Everyone single one of them should be afraid.
Thats why they hide their faces when cameras are rolling. They are well aware that they are evil. They’ve been doing this same evil to get their stupid failed state back for 3 thousand years. This isnt the first time theyve used genocide. The romans knew exactly how to handle this.
Bro wtf, thanks for doing the actual antisemitism that they accuse people of. The Israeli elite perpetrating this genocide are just Europeans who moved there in the early 20th century, they’ve got nothing to do with Jews from the bronze age except that they use them as a dumb excuse.
I think you’re missing the historical facts that lend context here.
In the Roman Jewish wars (you can read up on it if you want to)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish–Roman_wars
the zealots and sicarii jewish sects, which coincidently have EXACTLY the same philosophy and methods and goals of the modern zionists, genocided every Roman and Greek in the whole middle east in 66AD, about 600 years after the first jewish kingdom fell to the babylonians, after that ancient judean state had been split over a civil war fought over taxation issues.
In 66 AD all of the Roman, Greek, and Cypriot , men, women, children, merchants, travelers, locals, and soldiers in that region were murdered by the sicarii and zealots, solely based on their ethnicity. None were spared. Pause for a moment and think about the insane brutality of that for a second. The inhuman horror it must have been. Then the zealots proclaimed a new judean state and proclaimed a messiah. The also destroyed an entire roman legion and took their standard, which is something few had ever managed to do. The romans took their time, gathered their forces, marched back in and killed every belligerent, and everyone who had gone along with it, along with the messiah Simon Bar Kokhba who was also leading the genocide, after several others had also claimed to be the new jewish messiah.
When the Romans were done the second temple was in ruins and vast areas of the middle east had to be resettled. Judaism was smashed and took a thousand years to regroup. It changed judaism fundamentally. The jewish Roman citizens before they rebelled were unhappy about taxation against temples, but they chose to inflict a genocide to solve a taxation issue. Those that decided to live by the sword died by it. Those that had not taken up a sword were not killed, although many were enslaved and its not clear if that was handled equitably, but many jews were not killed, and simply lost a lot of their Roman citizen rights. An estimated 1 million people were killed in that war.
Those are the facts. They are not some plot against judaism-- some sort of “antisemitism”.
There is nothing wrong with putting down mass murderers of innocents. If we are to have a society we have to mete out a shared standard of Justice with open eyes, when needed. Anyone who resorts to killing innocents based on their ethnicity needs to be brought to justice, and sometimes that encompasses some unpalatable realities. But bringing murderers to justice is not simply “antisemitism”. Its the basis of civilization and the cost of multiple groups of people living together in peace. The zealots and sicarii killed everyone who was not of their clan. That was the line that was crossed. And cutting off Sicarii heads was a VERY justified response, especially given the legal contexts of the time. Sicarii chose to be sicarii, just like zionists today chose to be zionists. Its a choice to self identify with a murderous ideology-- its not an ethnicity. Anyone who claims that is a criminal cowardly hiding behind judaism. There is no such thing as a peaceful sicarii or zealot, or zionist. All of those ideologies require murder to steal land. The Romans at least had the civility not to murder every Jewish person, which is a lot more than you can say for the jerkbags who instigated that conflict.
I think today we need laws in that region of the world that people who kill on the basis of ethnicity are criminals who should be brought to justice with force if need be. Military occupations brutally enforced need to end, and those held under brutal occupation have an explicit right to rebel, even violently, as is outlined in the universal declaration of human rights. Thats the system of laws we all agreed to after world war 2-- including the US and Israel, and the laws are simply being ignored now, or people are pretending the violators of those laws are being “oppressed” by “anti-semites”. Crybullying and genocide is what it is.
Sorry, I was under the assumption that the plan was what Bibi planned all along. He planted the idea in the orange moron that it was his plan to give himself plausible deniability.
But hey, at least you stopped Harris and Biden. Imagine how much worse Gaza would be if you didn’t do that! \s
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This plan was initially discussed during the Biden administration, and Biden didn’t provide any pushback against it.
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Democrats in the House and Senate continue to overwhelmingly support and vote for Israel, even when it is openly committing genocide.
Democratic leaders haven’t decreased their support of Israel one bit since the election. In fact, they’ve doubled down. What evidence do you have that Kamala would have been any better of this than Trump. Both parties are united in giving 100% total support to Israel. You can’t support something more than 100%. Both parties max that stat out.
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Zionist talking points to distract us from asking why a foreign apartheid state has so much influence on our politics or why our “good” party chose genocide over their own constituents.
I highly doubt the genocide as we are seeing it today would be happening if Harris had won. This plan at the very least wouldn’t have been proposed by the American president and received a rubber stamp of approval by the US government. We would have likely ceased aid to Israel by now and mobilized the UN to inflict other penalties.
Nothing points to that. They gave more money and held the exact same stance as Trump currently holds. Both parties receive substantial amounts from Israel, most of Trumps bribes are probably off the books though.
Both parties arent the same, but on the genocide issue they absolutely are. They are calling it Trumps plan to muddy the waters, nothing more.
I think it’s kind of silly to assume the party that literally lost the election because genocide was more important to them then getting votes, would be the one doing a 180 right after getting elected.
They … held the exact same stance as Trump currently holds
This lie is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.
Yes Democrats support Israel but there is no instance where they called for literal starving and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by pushing them out of their country.
Their goal was and has always been a two-state solution. Trump’s current stance is a one-state solution where the other state becomes a golf course.
Blinken tried to get support for ethnically cleansing Gaza in November 2023.
Whenever Biden set an ultimatum for Israel to let in aid, he never followed through or only haphazardly, never actually requiring Israel to provide enough aid to not starve people.
Harris reiterated that she will follow the policy of Biden.
The Democrats in power are behind ethnically cleansing and starving the Palestinians.
I guess we have different definitions of “stance”. They basically add their two state solution to fluff up their speechs, end it with “but Israel has a right to defend itself” and then declare another weapons package.
A small part of what they say directly contradicts the rest and their actions. It’s just there to keep us from bitching in my opinion.
I think Israel’s plan, currently being masqueraded as Trumps, would have happened regardless of the administration in charge, but we will never know because the good guys decided killing children was more important then keeping the white house.
end it with “but Israel has a right to defend itself”
When they can’t say anything supportive of Palestine without tacking that at the end, it really undermines any perception that they might actually try to do something. What’s the saying? (paraphrased) Whenever you add “but” to a sentence, you invalidate the point of whatever came before it.
yep, our Democratic party once-brothers tend not to like the idea that this genocide unfolded under Bidens active sponsorship and our entire government system is the lapdog of a foreign government.
In this one thing the democratic party is as bad as Trump. Just plain old evil and corruption, for money.
the democratic party is as bad as Trump.
lol wut
Attacks on LGBTQ+ rights: https://www.advocate.com/politics/project-2025-lgbtq-so-far
Attacks on lawful Immigrants via mass deportations to a foreign nation: https://action.aclu.org/send-message/wrongful-deportations
Attacks on law firms that challenged his unlawful orders: https://www.npr.org/2025/04/13/g-s1-59497/trump-law-firms-pro-bono
Trump’s threats to annex Canada and Greenland.
Do I need to go on?
When it comes to blatantly deceptive quoting, removing “in this one thing” and then talking about other things is so on the nose that’s there’s no doubt left to give you the benefit of.
Be better.
That post reads as “Fascism is fine as long as its untermeschen are not people I care about” which is, funnily enough, the same way of thinking that MAGAs display ,just with different “favored groups”.
The tribalist (rather than principled) Democrats aren’t all that much different in mindset from Republicans: “It’s fine so long it’s only those I dislike who suffer”
In this one thing the democratic party is as bad as Trump.
At least read the things you are getting mad about.
But you (the people who pointed at the Gaza genocide as an important issue in the US election) didn’t ask that before the election, you strongly suggested that it only had an influence on one party despite all evidence pointing towards either both parties being influenced equally or the party who won (among other reasons) because of you being worse.
That is not true. People kept petitioning the Democratic party to stop the genocide. They kept raising the issue at Democratic events. Biden and then Harris shut them out. At the DNC congress in September Harris forbade a group of people from speaking about Palestine that tried to convince people to vote for Democrats despite supporting the genocide in Gaza as the group tried to take the “work from within” angle to change the parties position. The DNC chose that it is better to lose to Trump than risk anyone questioning the genocide to have a platform. The DNC did everything they can to alienate the voters and now they are running more racist gaslighting blaming the loss on “dumb minorities”.
You are probably incredibly young but Israel has had a firm control of American politics for literally its entire existence. Both parties, all presidents, pretty much all senators and members of congress on every level of your government. Lying to your faces that they could change that at a whim because Israel is committing another atrocity this decade on top of the ones they did in the decades before would have been a reason not to vote for them because that would have clearly made them untrustworthy.
Not to mention that every single dictator the US installed in the last century or so was pro genocide too.
All systems based on bribery and intimidation are incredible fragile once questioned in the open. If the DNC would decide to take a stance it would break the back of AIPAC and other lobby groups overnight. And there is no question this moment will come. AIPAC had to spend absurd amounts of money to campaign against local Democrats that challenged the support for genocide in the last year.
There is no political excuse for the DNC. They do this from ideological conviction and these convictions are against the American people and humanity at large just like the convictions of most Republicans are.
Two things can be true at once.
Russia used the dems support of genocide to convince voters to commit to something that wasnt in their favor.
Israel uses the voters as scapegoats so their genocide and hold on our politics doesnt stop.
Personally, I was very vocal about holding the line and voting for Kamala anyways before the election. Im also smart enough to understand that ultimately, the dems lost because they put the wishes of Israel before their base and because the platform they pushed was disgusting and stupid. They completely fucked us over and I want change, not useless voter blame.
Russia used the dems support of genocide to convince voters to commit to something that wasnt in their favor.
Israel uses the voters as scapegoats so their genocide and hold on our politics doesnt stop.
Both true, but DNC and RNC leadership are the core of our problem there. And they will keep selling us all out, up to and including destroying whats left of our republic. We’re simply lucky that American soldiers arent on the front lines of Ukraine or Palestine doing what our paying customers tell us to do. Whenever a vote pertaining to Israel comes up in congress it gets 99% of the congressional vote. And we hang onto the very last shreds of free speech, which allows me to say this. We are not free-- we are owned.
Trumps collaborating but this was always zionisms goal and method. Lets not hang this completely on America. This is Israel.
Reality check. This kind of terrible treatment of entire populations of people has been commonplace for awhile now. The Uyghurs, Shuar, Syrian “rebels”, there’s definitely more. None of them were tied to kidnappers or oppressors.
And I encourage the U.S. to immediately cut support and stop providing diplomatic cover to these other groups committing genocide as well. And to stop suppressing Americans’ free speech when they speak out against it.
Weird mix of “but what about the other genocides” and “the children deserve to die because they are terrorists”.
Who upvotes this?
And the people in USian prison-work camps.
