It’s an extra special touch with half of them labeled drug dealer when skooma is part of their religion. It’s prohibition targeting a religious and racial minority.
If I remember moon sugar is part of the religion but people took that and refined it into the narcotic skooma. UESP says the Dunmer were the ones who refined skooma originally and that moonsugar is more potent for non-khajiit. So drug dealers from other lands take something they aren’t physically adapted to consume, refine it, sell it, and malign khajiit as drug addicts for using it natively.
Like a teetotaler fainting at the fumes of a beer and calling you an alcoholic.
Semi related: in the USA, marijuana came with Mexican immigrants, so a lot of the criminalization stems from racism and xenophobia. The same applies to Brazil, since it was typical to find natives and blacks smoking it.
To be fair he may not actually be a rapist. He calls himself “defiler of daughters”, but he’s doing so in a theatrically rogueish list of reasons people would want to kill him, so it could just as well be consensual but the parents are furious about it.
However even if that is the case, he actually is also a self-described murderer and thief who implies that he runs a dangerous gang of some sort and regularly has people trying to kill him
If that’s all the rape stuff is based on, then it’s very much the opposite of a rapist. Just like you said, a rogue. A romantic one at that.
It’s an age old trope. Stealing the lord’s gold and gems and giving his daughter one while you’re at it, consentually, ofc.
Basically, like a reference to the Zorro stereotype.
Or a somewhat loose but direct reference to the Mask of Zorro, which wouldn’t have been too old of a movie at that point. The time difference between Oblivion’s release and the releases of Mask of Zorro was 8 years.
That’s the only reference, yeah. The character is only present for one scene in one quest, and the only mention of his sexual exploits is that line. I certainly always interpreted him as a womaniser rather than a rapist
It’s funny that you mention Zorro — the voice actor that does this character’s lines (and also other male khajiit) has done parts to fill in for Antonio Banderas before
Oblivion Khajiit always remind me of Antonio Banderas, and while I didn’t explore the world as thoroughly in Oblivion as I did in Morrowind and Skyrim, I may have encountered Vasha when playing.
Also btw “Vash” is a sort of pirate archaeologist from TNG. Unrelated morr and than Zorro, I’m sure, but still.
has done parts to fill in for Antonio Banderas before
Like… a voice-double? Elaborate pls, I’m interested.
He’s one of the three captives you can choose to kill at the start of the Dark Brotherhood questline
Elaborate pls,
The voice actor is André Sogliuzzo, who voiced Banderas’ Puss in Boots from Shrek in various appearances outside of the main films and also voiced the actual character of Antonio Banderas in an episode of Celebrity Deathmatch
The voice actor is André Sogliuzzo, who voiced Banderas’ Puss in Boots from Shrek in various appearances outside of the main films and also voiced the actual character of Antonio Banderas in an episode of Celebrity Deathmatch
Ah, yes, so I got it more or less right, a “voice-double”. Thank you for confirming.
He’s one of the three captives you can choose to kill at the start of the Dark Brotherhood questline
Yeah but man it’s been 20 years, and whilst Morrowind I played pretty religiously and then later Skyrim again, during Oblivion’s release and heydey, I was a fuckboi, so I didn’t pay as much attention. Also more than a decade of weed on me and just now an ambien.
Maybe it’s there, but I’m in not willing to say whether I’m imagining or remembering. The wiki states he’s wearing a mask as well though? Reference? Tbf it’s an executioner’s mask. Do they all wear them though? Also he’s the only one who doesn’t yell when the others die, perhaps implying a sort of rogues attitude of vigilante justice served?
Idk man. Just writing things on Lemmy while waiting for the ambien to kick in to be able to go to bed. I’m not debating anything, just making conversation.
Oh, I didn’t mean to come across as argumentative, I just offered a description in case it jogged a memory. It’s entirely possible you never did meet him. Though if it helps at all, he’s wearing an execution hood rather than an executioner’s hood — as in, he’s the one getting executed. You are correct that all three are wearing them and Vasha doesn’t give much of a shit about the whole situation, all things considered
I think that’s the joke.
They’re marginalized by society, they need to resort to illegal stuff to survive. In the end, that’s a vicious cycle that affects many of us, too.
100%. The OP is literally how people justify racism IRL.
It’s an extra special touch with half of them labeled drug dealer when skooma is part of their religion. It’s prohibition targeting a religious and racial minority.
If I remember moon sugar is part of the religion but people took that and refined it into the narcotic skooma. UESP says the Dunmer were the ones who refined skooma originally and that moonsugar is more potent for non-khajiit. So drug dealers from other lands take something they aren’t physically adapted to consume, refine it, sell it, and malign khajiit as drug addicts for using it natively.
Like a teetotaler fainting at the fumes of a beer and calling you an alcoholic.
Semi related: in the USA, marijuana came with Mexican immigrants, so a lot of the criminalization stems from racism and xenophobia. The same applies to Brazil, since it was typical to find natives and blacks smoking it.
Yooo weed came from Mexico? La FIESTA! 🪇 🌮 🎈 🇲🇽🫔🎁🎉🎵🎺
That aspect was lost on me. Nice catch.
“It’s the marginalization that made me rape” lol
Yes, we should always trust the labels our oppressors put on us. They’re surely being honest. lol
Rapist is such a racist label for casual forced sex anyway
I don’t think raping is required to live…
To be fair he may not actually be a rapist. He calls himself “defiler of daughters”, but he’s doing so in a theatrically rogueish list of reasons people would want to kill him, so it could just as well be consensual but the parents are furious about it.
However even if that is the case, he actually is also a self-described murderer and thief who implies that he runs a dangerous gang of some sort and regularly has people trying to kill him
If that’s all the rape stuff is based on, then it’s very much the opposite of a rapist. Just like you said, a rogue. A romantic one at that.
It’s an age old trope. Stealing the lord’s gold and gems and giving his daughter one while you’re at it, consentually, ofc.
Basically, like a reference to the Zorro stereotype.
Or a somewhat loose but direct reference to the Mask of Zorro, which wouldn’t have been too old of a movie at that point. The time difference between Oblivion’s release and the releases of Mask of Zorro was 8 years.
The Mask of Zorro 4K UHD - Zorro vs Elena Duel | High-Def Digest
So when Oblivion developers would’ve been working on it a few years earlier, it would have only been 5-6 years old.
Avengers Endgame came out six years ago.
Also Vasha is actually wearing a literal.
That’s the only reference, yeah. The character is only present for one scene in one quest, and the only mention of his sexual exploits is that line. I certainly always interpreted him as a womaniser rather than a rapist
It’s funny that you mention Zorro — the voice actor that does this character’s lines (and also other male khajiit) has done parts to fill in for Antonio Banderas before
Oblivion Khajiit always remind me of Antonio Banderas, and while I didn’t explore the world as thoroughly in Oblivion as I did in Morrowind and Skyrim, I may have encountered Vasha when playing.
Also btw “Vash” is a sort of pirate archaeologist from TNG. Unrelated morr and than Zorro, I’m sure, but still.
Like… a voice-double? Elaborate pls, I’m interested.
He’s one of the three captives you can choose to kill at the start of the Dark Brotherhood questline
The voice actor is André Sogliuzzo, who voiced Banderas’ Puss in Boots from Shrek in various appearances outside of the main films and also voiced the actual character of Antonio Banderas in an episode of Celebrity Deathmatch
Ah, yes, so I got it more or less right, a “voice-double”. Thank you for confirming.
Yeah but man it’s been 20 years, and whilst Morrowind I played pretty religiously and then later Skyrim again, during Oblivion’s release and heydey, I was a fuckboi, so I didn’t pay as much attention. Also more than a decade of weed on me and just now an ambien.
Maybe it’s there, but I’m in not willing to say whether I’m imagining or remembering. The wiki states he’s wearing a mask as well though? Reference? Tbf it’s an executioner’s mask. Do they all wear them though? Also he’s the only one who doesn’t yell when the others die, perhaps implying a sort of rogues attitude of vigilante justice served?
Idk man. Just writing things on Lemmy while waiting for the ambien to kick in to be able to go to bed. I’m not debating anything, just making conversation.
Oh, I didn’t mean to come across as argumentative, I just offered a description in case it jogged a memory. It’s entirely possible you never did meet him. Though if it helps at all, he’s wearing an execution hood rather than an executioner’s hood — as in, he’s the one getting executed. You are correct that all three are wearing them and Vasha doesn’t give much of a shit about the whole situation, all things considered