And for anyone asking “Why are we boycotting/blocking lemmy.ml?” Here’s a quick recap:
Lemmy.ml is an instance run by admins who are hardcore tankies and will enforce their ideology on their instance through various means from allowing (and pushing it themselves) propaganda (Such as Russia being justified in some way to invade Ukraine) and known propaganda outlets (Like RT) to removing content on their instance critical of their favored authoritarian regimes such as Russia or China and even banning users for such speech or speech critical of them if it’s off their instance (Just like the Reddit mods of ol!).
If it was just some random instance it would have been defederated from long ago like the rest of the “Tankie Triad” (Hexbear and Lemmygrad), but they’ve positioned lemmy.ml as the “flagship” instance and abused that position and influence to become large enough to keep other instances from defederating from them.
Which I believe is harmful to the Lemmy-verse’s overall growth and outside reputation. I have seen it come up before on Reddit threads (and other testimonials from people who came back and tried it again) that “They tried Lemmy but it was a bunch of tankies and went back to Reddit”
I don’t know about you, but I’d prefer Lemmy to not end up with the reputation for being "Tankie Central " or even worse “Voat 2.0”.
So if you haven’t joined the boycott yet, join today and help us foster a better healthier Lemmy-verse!
You can take a look around here on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works for documentation of it or checkout this list of curated documentation
On bans and censorships:
https://lemmy.world/post/28480760
https://lemmy.world/post/28481615
https://lemmy.world/post/28482147
https://lemmy.world/post/28480936
https://lemmy.world/post/28482273
https://lemmy.world/post/28481272
https://lemmy.world/post/28481064
https://lemmy.world/post/27674360
https://lemmy.world/post/27674117
https://lemmy.world/post/27673934
https://lemmy.world/post/27673724
https://lemmy.world/post/27577337
https://lemmy.world/post/27378634
https://lemmy.world/post/27346630
https://lemmy.world/post/27341283
https://lemmy.world/post/27288224
https://lemmy.world/post/27156418
https://lemmy.world/post/27054157
https://lemmy.world/post/27008261
Allowing altered headlines and permitting known propaganda outlets:
https://lemmy.world/post/28275465
https://lemmy.world/post/27428838
https://lemmy.world/post/27416097
https://lemmy.world/post/27314050
https://lemmy.world/post/27288953
Spreading Russia talking points like the Ukraine invasion just being a “negotiating tactic” !https://lemmy.world/post/27012640
General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet: https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
Open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines (head admin)) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
“concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren’t that bad” https://lemmy.world/post/26985447
Ooor I can make it clear where I draw the lines, and hopefully get the developers not to spend the donations on their tankie server. Weird how that works, right?
Guess you can’t draw the line at using the platform they developed however.
And why should I? Can you make an argument for how using their platform is supporting their tankie server on a comparable level to sending them money?
A bit hypocritical to continue benefitting off of their labor and time by using the platform but their political views is where you draw the line, yet you continue to use the platform. Maybe if you actually believed in what you said you would stop using the platform and go back to reddit. But do go on and preach from your virtue signaling high horse about how paying $30/per month for their server coet (which they use as a testing bed) is too much for you to handle.
No, I don’t see it as hypocritical. My issue isn’t their views as you’re putting it, my issue is them using my donation to distribute tankie propaganda. If they didn’t use my donations for that purpose, they’d get some.
What would be hypocritical would be if I sent them money, even though I heavily disagree with their tankie shit. But I don’t do that, so we’re all good!
No one is stopping other instances from defederating and stop interacting with .ml. That’s the whole beauty of Lemmy. But got it so you can’t be morally consistent in benefitting from their labor and time (and in a way paying you with their labor and time by you using what they developed) but you have a problem with what they choose to do with their only source of income , and yes donations are their only source of income in their personal lives. And yes you do have a problem with their views because you wouldn’t be so fervent in calling their views propaganda. If you were morally consistent you would stop using Lemmy completely until they changed their political views.
No, I’m not morally inconsistent in any way. You still haven’t explained how I am inconsistent. What moral maxims am I following that I’m violating by not donating to the Lemmy developers?
Also, again, they are free to have their views, but I don’t want to support them running a platform that distributes those views while censoring other views. Again, this is in no way morally inconsistent. Is this really such a hard concept for you to understand?
They are donating their time and labor to the community, and by extension you, and let anyone use the product they created with their labor and time in any way they want, including Nazi instances. Yet them using their donation funds in anyway they see fit is a bridge too far for you. Do I need to spell it out more for you? If you were morally consistent, you would not use Lemmy at all because you don’t believe in free usage of a resource once it’s given, whether it’s time, labor or money.
Yes, please spell it out further, because you seem to be projecting your own moral views onto me and accusing me of being inconsistent with those. Do you understand that other people have different moral views from you? Or do you literally just not know what “moral consistency” means?