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I’ve long said that I believe Millennials, as a generational cohort, are the best at typing that ever has been and ever will be. We were the first generation where adults really recognized that we’d be using computers our entire lives and took steps to teach typing. But, so much more importantly than that, we socialized through typing. I had typing classes in school, sure, but I learned to type quickly on AIM and in chat rooms.
Earlier generations only really typed for business or school. Later generations socialize over phones, so they, too, only use a physical keyboard for school and business.
I guess I should amend this theory to include all tech literacy in general.
There are tech savvy people in every generation and some dumbos. IMO the low bar for being tech savvy has nothing to do with PDFs, it’s whether or not you can install a functioning operating system on a device. Anyone who can do that can figure out any of that other stuff.
That’s not the bar it used to be. You don’t even need to worry about device drivers anymore.
Even the most difficult Linux installs now aren’t that much more complicated than XP was.
Anything from Home Assistant / Sonarr / Radarr / ntfy / MQTT / LoRa would make my current basic savvy list.
To be fair, PDFs suck and the only software that handles them well is paid and proprietary
I was pretty worthless with computers at 16 too.
Now I’m almost 40 and I’m working In the industry and slowly getting worse again
Is this some Acrobat functionality or something?
Off the top of my head, there’s pdfjam, pdftk and imagemagick (don’t forget the --dpi switch) who could probably do that, after reading the man pages. Or ghostscript’ gs, if you want to go in-depth.
But generally, just rotate the source material you’ve got the pdf from. That’s how it is intended.
I’ve used ghostscript a few times to reduce the quality of images within a pdf, so they wouldn’t be freezing my phone while reading. From ~80mb to 25mb
The folks at Corvus Belli could learn a thing or two about that when making the pdfs for their Warcrow game (the core rules pdf is 118MB for 60 pages)
There’s one generation between boomers and zoomers? I’m pretty confident I know who it is you’re forgetting.
Gen X and Y
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Guess me and my partner are exceptional zoomers? Them having a diploma in computer science and i am a software developer
The thing is most of us cant even rotate a pdf, but we do know how to learn it.
Load up Adobe Acrobat, like the button that looks like it will rotate the document.
I assume that’s the process. Never needed to do it but I have no doubt I’d be able to work it out
“like the button” - not sure if typo or using “like” to mean “click”.
Like that button. Love the button. Gently caress the button.
like that smash button
truth
YES! being able to google (or read) goes a long way.
Goomers and hoomers and foomers and schroomers are all alike and your generation is smarter.
Smarmy pride in knowing how to rotate a PDF is sounding a lot like “kids don’t know how to change a spark plug these days”. Tech keeps moving forward. Zoomers are way faster with their phones than you’ll ever be, and they know all the AI boosted efficiency features inside and out.
I am a part of gen z, and while they may be fast with some specific functions of their phone, they are useless when it comes to anything on a desktop. So many people don’t understand filesystems.
And the Ai boosted stuff is usually shite.
And the Ai boosted stuff is usually shite.
It is trash but it is going to be very important trash to know how to navigate.
Zoomers are not, in fact, way faster with phones than I’ll ever be. I clumsily use my swipe keyboard faster than they type (and they look at it like it’s black magic even though I’ve been using that shit for 10 years now).
Also I know what a file system is. Have you tried to get a non-tech oriented zoomer who’s been using phones and tablets all their life to wrap their head around that concept ? Yet my boomer mom can use it competently, and she’s quite bad with tech.
The younger generation does some things better and more instinctively, true, but just like I never became a genius at electronics by only using them at a surface level all my life, and way more than my elders (and despite having some interest in it), the fact that they’ve been spoon fed tech doesn’t automatically turn them into technological übermensch or some shit.
I write so many wrong words due to swype it’s ridiculous, but it’s so nice to write with otherwise. Maybe I’ve been too slack with it and ruined the prediction algorithm or whatever. Maybe I’m just inaccurate. If I actually care, I’ll make sure to proofread, but often I barely glance.
Yeah it gets finicky especially if you write in several languages, but I think I’ve trained mine pretty well by trying to never let a wrong word through. Still has a hard time with repeating letters, or with words containing a succession of several letters that are close to each other on the keyboard though
Yeah, I’ve been swyping interchangeably between Norwegian and English on the same keyboard for years, and mixed in some Mandarin for good measure. That was on it’s own pinyin thing though, might not have affected the NB EN keyboard.
Also I know what a file system is.
whoa
I’m not pretending that is some amazing achievement though ? Imo that is a basic requirement if you’re gonna use a computer
No they don’t. They know ticktock better then I do, but you ask them to get into app data and you’ll get a blank look
I’ve trained a lot of 18-22 y/os in the last 10 years and they are fine. Let’s not become the boomers please…
I am a 30 yr old boomer in uni with 18 year olds and they are mostly fine. We are learning programming so the base qualification is to not dumb with computers. BUT My teacher friends are supporting OPs screencap where children do not understand computers at all. Theres plenty of tales of students being asked to log into a 15 minute online test and entire lesson is spent teaching them how to log in one by one. The issue is they click the biggest and flashiest button and quit once they discover it does not lead them where they want to go.
There is plenty more evidence that the next generation is unable to handle anything more complex than most popular apps on phone. Is it really surprising when everything has been designed to just work and be streamlined so you don’t have to troubleshoot anymore.
The issue is they click the biggest and flashiest button and quit once they discover it does not lead them where they want to go.
Anyone that ever pirated anything learns real quick that those are the buttons you avoid like the plague
“30 yr old boomer” …not without a time machine.
Yeah, being dumb is hardware-agnostic. As some guy put it, “being stupid isn’t a big deal anymore; some of my best friends are stupid”.
It just stunlocks me a little bit as younger people have been around tech their whole life, unlike boomers, who were born before computers.“been around tech their whole life” more like they have a locked down phone, locked down game console and MAYBE a desktop computer. It’s too rounded out and consumer friendly now, you never have to peek under the hood.
Boomers have been seeing changes in communications, culture, and technology as revolutionary as anything in the last 20 years, for their entire lives. Things didn’t start getting wild just recently. It has been a romp for the last 200 years.
Eh PDFs are just annoying to deal with. I could do this stuff the adobe acrobat when I had the paid version in school but I’m cheap and no longer have it. If I’m feeling desperate I’ll find the ghostscript command that does it otherwise I just do something horrible (for example scanning to jpeg rather than PDF creating an HTML page with both images and printing that to PDF)
From writing a limited amount of code to generate PDFs from scratch the standard is just cursed. It was using 7 bit ASCII until fairly recently resulting in an eighth of the document being wasted space. Also when the switched to PDFs being an open standard the specs went from something freely available on adobe’s web site to a challege of how to send 98 swiss francs to ISO to get access.
PDF24 has been my savior for anything pdf related. I learned about it and suddenly I no longer hate pdfs.
Never judge a fish by how well it climbs a tree.
The only reason we have to rotate the PDFs is because they can’t figure out how to use the sheet-feed scanner. Theres a picture embossed in the thing! And a sign that we put next to the button!
You need a full SOP with step by step directions and big pictures
They won’t fucking read it though, “I’m just not a computer person! tee-hee!”
For me, that’s been the major differentiator. The Boomers that don’t know basic shit in 2025 are proud of it; the Zoomers that don’t know have at least been willing to be shown. The Boomers that ASK to be shown though, ::chefs kiss::, now there is a passion to learn
it depends on the person. some zoomers are great with tech, hardware and software. others aren’t. same goes for every generation. this reeks of the “haha let’s shit on the younger generations” millennials have been mad about for years
Yeah I suspect what’s happening is that plenty of boomers were actually just bad at tech but they got to use the excuse that they didn’t grow up with it. Any gen z people that are bad at tech don’t have that excuse so it seems like they’re stupid, when in reality there have always been stupid people or people who just aren’t interested.
Sorry, but its different this time. A much smaller chunk of gen z is good with tech, and most of them struggle with basic concepts (like filesystems). Saying this as a gen z person.
I disagree. I work IT for a living. I fix a lot of devices for gen z but don’t often have to educate them on software. the amount of people 30+ who don’t realize I as a random IT worker can’t magically reset their yahoo password is insane.
And I’ve worked with some boomers who could use filezilla and other higher level than typical tech. There are some that are talented, but the average is noticeably lower.
And I’ve worked with some boomers who could use filezilla and other higher level than typical tech. There are some that are talented, but the average is noticeably lower.
