I literally didn’t compare you to a racist. I explicitly said it was an unrelated example that I used to clearly explain my point. Also I said a couple times that I assumed your position on the matter used in that example was not that of a racist.
Please don’t misconstrue my words to support your argument against my right to be able to use changing rooms etc that match my gender. I’m going to be clear here I hope that you simply misunderstood what I wrote. That is what I am assuming.
I don’t think me wanting to use women’s change rooms / bathrooms counts a “special consideration” as you put it. I am a woman so I should be allowed to use them same as every other woman. That is equal treatment. That is what trans people want. I as a woman do not want to be forced into men’s spaces where I am placed at risk of harassment / assault.
If you are going to argue that I should not be given equal treatment after considering my words then I can only assume that you do not think of me as a woman. If and only if you continue to argue your same point. There would be no other way for it to be understood in that case. If you don’t argue that point further then please disregard this section.
If you want to protect women then you must include trans WOMEN as well as we are women. If you want to support my right to exist then please support my right to not be forced into men’s spaces where I, a woman, would be at risk of danger.
I should be allowed to use the same as every other woman
Except you aren’t the same as every other woman.
As a woman I do not want to be forced into men’s spaces where I am placed at risk of harassment / assault
And other women wouldn’t want to be placed at risk of harassment or assault either by anybody coming in claiming to be a woman. I am a smaller guy, should I be able to use the women’s because I am scared of big men?
You could use a disabled and unisex single unit bathroom/changing room?
Ok so by claiming that trans women having the equal right to access women’s spaces goes against cis women’s rights you are implying that trans women are the danger. We are not. Also, if a man wants to hurt women in women’s spaces a sign on a door isn’t going to stop him. There is no need for a man to pretend to be a woman to be able to hurt women. They can just do it.
Gendered washrooms etc are the norm, non gendered spaces are not always available. Do you expect a trans woman to use the men’s spaces which puts us at higher risk of danger?
Ultimately the crux of your argument comes down to one simple yes or no question.
This is about the affects on the wellbeing of transgender people when they get a sex change operation.
The answer to the question involves biology, philosophy, theology, neuroscience, ethics, and statistics, among others most likely. You’ll probably get a different answer depending who you ask. I think it should be less about that question you asked and moreso how can we ethically make those people feel comfortable with themselves as well as the rest of society comfortable with integrating people who choose to identify as the opposite sex.
Please stop dodging the question. It’s a simple yes or no question that is fundamental to the discussion of trans people’s right to live as they are equally to cis people of the same gender.
I literally didn’t compare you to a racist. I explicitly said it was an unrelated example that I used to clearly explain my point. Also I said a couple times that I assumed your position on the matter used in that example was not that of a racist.
Please don’t misconstrue my words to support your argument against my right to be able to use changing rooms etc that match my gender. I’m going to be clear here I hope that you simply misunderstood what I wrote. That is what I am assuming.
I don’t think me wanting to use women’s change rooms / bathrooms counts a “special consideration” as you put it. I am a woman so I should be allowed to use them same as every other woman. That is equal treatment. That is what trans people want. I as a woman do not want to be forced into men’s spaces where I am placed at risk of harassment / assault.
If you are going to argue that I should not be given equal treatment after considering my words then I can only assume that you do not think of me as a woman. If and only if you continue to argue your same point. There would be no other way for it to be understood in that case. If you don’t argue that point further then please disregard this section.
If you want to protect women then you must include trans WOMEN as well as we are women. If you want to support my right to exist then please support my right to not be forced into men’s spaces where I, a woman, would be at risk of danger.
Except you aren’t the same as every other woman.
And other women wouldn’t want to be placed at risk of harassment or assault either by anybody coming in claiming to be a woman. I am a smaller guy, should I be able to use the women’s because I am scared of big men?
You could use a disabled and unisex single unit bathroom/changing room?
Ok so by claiming that trans women having the equal right to access women’s spaces goes against cis women’s rights you are implying that trans women are the danger. We are not. Also, if a man wants to hurt women in women’s spaces a sign on a door isn’t going to stop him. There is no need for a man to pretend to be a woman to be able to hurt women. They can just do it.
Gendered washrooms etc are the norm, non gendered spaces are not always available. Do you expect a trans woman to use the men’s spaces which puts us at higher risk of danger?
Ultimately the crux of your argument comes down to one simple yes or no question.
Do you believe that trans women are women?
I haven’t found a place that hasn’t had a non gendered space. Disabled bathrooms are a legal requirement in most places.
You didn’t answer the question. Do you believe that trans women are women, yes or no ?
Still figuring that one out. The Supreme Court says “no”, other people say yes. I don’t see a clear-cut answer to the question.
The vast majority of science going back to pre-WWII says the answer is yes.
Evidence through link.
https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/
Knowing now that the scientific consensus is yes, do you believe that trans women are women?
This is about the affects on the wellbeing of transgender people when they get a sex change operation.
The answer to the question involves biology, philosophy, theology, neuroscience, ethics, and statistics, among others most likely. You’ll probably get a different answer depending who you ask. I think it should be less about that question you asked and moreso how can we ethically make those people feel comfortable with themselves as well as the rest of society comfortable with integrating people who choose to identify as the opposite sex.
Please stop dodging the question. It’s a simple yes or no question that is fundamental to the discussion of trans people’s right to live as they are equally to cis people of the same gender.