I should be allowed to use the same as every other woman
Except you aren’t the same as every other woman.
As a woman I do not want to be forced into men’s spaces where I am placed at risk of harassment / assault
And other women wouldn’t want to be placed at risk of harassment or assault either by anybody coming in claiming to be a woman. I am a smaller guy, should I be able to use the women’s because I am scared of big men?
You could use a disabled and unisex single unit bathroom/changing room?
Ok so by claiming that trans women having the equal right to access women’s spaces goes against cis women’s rights you are implying that trans women are the danger. We are not. Also, if a man wants to hurt women in women’s spaces a sign on a door isn’t going to stop him. There is no need for a man to pretend to be a woman to be able to hurt women. They can just do it.
Gendered washrooms etc are the norm, non gendered spaces are not always available. Do you expect a trans woman to use the men’s spaces which puts us at higher risk of danger?
Ultimately the crux of your argument comes down to one simple yes or no question.
This is about the affects on the wellbeing of transgender people when they get a sex change operation.
The answer to the question involves biology, philosophy, theology, neuroscience, ethics, and statistics, among others most likely. You’ll probably get a different answer depending who you ask. I think it should be less about that question you asked and moreso how can we ethically make those people feel comfortable with themselves as well as the rest of society comfortable with integrating people who choose to identify as the opposite sex.
Please stop dodging the question. It’s a simple yes or no question that is fundamental to the discussion of trans people’s right to live as they are equally to cis people of the same gender.
It’s not a simple yes or no question. Seeing everything in black and white is part of the problem.
As it stands and in light of the Supreme Court Ruling, I wouldn’t see a transgender woman to be as equally a woman as a cisgendered woman, but I wouldn’t see her as a man either. It depends on what you’re talking about, whether it’s socially, medically, neurologically, theologically, ethically, in the eyes of everyone else, legally, etc.
Except you aren’t the same as every other woman.
And other women wouldn’t want to be placed at risk of harassment or assault either by anybody coming in claiming to be a woman. I am a smaller guy, should I be able to use the women’s because I am scared of big men?
You could use a disabled and unisex single unit bathroom/changing room?
Ok so by claiming that trans women having the equal right to access women’s spaces goes against cis women’s rights you are implying that trans women are the danger. We are not. Also, if a man wants to hurt women in women’s spaces a sign on a door isn’t going to stop him. There is no need for a man to pretend to be a woman to be able to hurt women. They can just do it.
Gendered washrooms etc are the norm, non gendered spaces are not always available. Do you expect a trans woman to use the men’s spaces which puts us at higher risk of danger?
Ultimately the crux of your argument comes down to one simple yes or no question.
Do you believe that trans women are women?
I haven’t found a place that hasn’t had a non gendered space. Disabled bathrooms are a legal requirement in most places.
You didn’t answer the question. Do you believe that trans women are women, yes or no ?
Still figuring that one out. The Supreme Court says “no”, other people say yes. I don’t see a clear-cut answer to the question.
The vast majority of science going back to pre-WWII says the answer is yes.
Evidence through link.
https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/
Knowing now that the scientific consensus is yes, do you believe that trans women are women?
This is about the affects on the wellbeing of transgender people when they get a sex change operation.
The answer to the question involves biology, philosophy, theology, neuroscience, ethics, and statistics, among others most likely. You’ll probably get a different answer depending who you ask. I think it should be less about that question you asked and moreso how can we ethically make those people feel comfortable with themselves as well as the rest of society comfortable with integrating people who choose to identify as the opposite sex.
Please stop dodging the question. It’s a simple yes or no question that is fundamental to the discussion of trans people’s right to live as they are equally to cis people of the same gender.
It’s not a simple yes or no question. Seeing everything in black and white is part of the problem.
As it stands and in light of the Supreme Court Ruling, I wouldn’t see a transgender woman to be as equally a woman as a cisgendered woman, but I wouldn’t see her as a man either. It depends on what you’re talking about, whether it’s socially, medically, neurologically, theologically, ethically, in the eyes of everyone else, legally, etc.