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So things are MUCH better… right?
Not even close.
What are “the commons” in this case?
If that doesn’t hit close to home…
The commons is the one that hits hardest for me. In Washington State, you have to pay to use our state parks as well as the federal parks. They’re saying that we’re paying to park.
The commons is the cultural and natural resources accessible to all members of a society, including natural materials such as air, water, and a habitable Earth. These resources are held in common even when owned privately or publicly.
This was an alternative to defunding the state parks completely.
Republicans didn’t want to pay for parks at all.
Requiring payment to enter the parks is a way to fund them without “taxes”.
Yes, all of that is what we are complaining about.
Have you tried cycling?
Yes everyone who ever wants to go to a truly set aside, lovely natural park is a Tour de France level bicyclist.
Fuck disabled people, why should they enjoy nature?
Ebikes/trikes can help for the elderly or some disabilities. Plenty of disabled people can cycle but not drive too.
And plenty of them can’t, and can barely tolerate being in even a mobility scooter.
Cool.
Anyway, my right wrist, and arm and right leg are royally fucked up.
What about amputees?
People with muscular dystrophy?
People prone to seizures, spasms, fainting?
People with unhealthy hearts?
People who are blind, or deaf?
Is your right arm or your left arm fucked up? If you have at least two functional limbs, there’s probably a way to make this work.
My entire right side is fucked.
My entire musculature system needs to basically be reconfigured, retrained, now that all the fractures have healed.
My PT told me oh yeah, your nervous system has gotten so accustomed to being in constant pain that you basically go from a background level of 8 out of 10, which you now find generally tolerable, to 10, which you find immensely painful, whenever… well pretty much any tendon or muscle on your right side goes ‘‘just slightly’’ out of its safe range of motion.
Don’t even have painkillers, by the way. Just ibuprofen and acetometaphen.
I’ve been immobile, literally bed ridden, for the past 6 months, barring the excrutiatingly painful PT routine, hobbling to the bathroom/shower (got a shower seat), and microwaving soup or whatever.
Typing these messages is quite painful, but it does actually count as part of the PT if I use the right position/grip.
I will probably be in aquatherapy for at least another 3 months, if not 6, or 12.
A local charity drives me to and from the visits… which i hobble out to the car in my braces, with my cane.
… You’re not gonna theory craft your way into a more effective mobility solution for my entire life situation than myself and my doctors, unless that involves cashapping me several thousand or tens of thousands of dollars.
Plenty of disabled people ride adaptive bikes in nature. Also electric assist bikes exist nowadays so level of fitness is less of a limiter.
… The thing being discussed here is the problem of parking passes being used as your ticket in to a national park.
The suggestion was… have you considered bicycling?
… Presumably, bicycling to and from the park, so as to avoid using a car, and the parking pass.
… It is 160ish miles from Seattle to say, the Hoh rainforest park.
Up a literal mountain range.
I think you climb up about uh… yeah, very steep hills, most of the way, up from sea level to 5330 ft, a total of about 11000 feet travelled uphill and 11000 ft traveled downhill in the whole 18 hour journey.
Sure, put your bike in the car, drive it there, ride it around the park, go home in the car.
But then you’d still be using a car, and its parking pass.
… You can’t expect everyone, muchless disabled people… to just put in 18hrs of strenuous bicycling to get to a national park, which currently has no real public transit method of getting anywhere near it from most actually concentrated population centers.
Two common strawmen in favor of car dependency.
There are cheap electric bikes out there (at least much cheaper than a car). No need to be an athlete.
Disabled people are among those who suffer the most under car dependency. There should exist public transportation to go to parks for everyone, including disabled people.
There should exist public transportation to go to parks for everyone, including disabled people.
Yes that would be wonderful.
Unfortunately that world doesn’t yet exist.
Let me know when the light rail, or even a bus goes from Seattle to the Hoh Rainforest.
At the rate the light rail is expanding, maybe 2250.
Maybe a bus by 2075?
There are cheap electric bikes out there (at least much cheaper than a car). No need to be an athlete.
Actually motorcycles are still more performant (greater ranges, better suspension, greater speeds) and cheaper than the kinds of eBikes you are talking about, capable of making a 100+ mile journey.
One of those kinds of eBikes is about 1/4 of my yearly income from SSDI.
Before rent, before food.
Not that it would matter anyway:
How is my crippled ass, who literally cannot even balance on a stationary bike, due to the nature of my injuries, nor grip the handle bars, who would topple over within 30 seconds…
… who can barely walk 10 minutes at 1mph in braces and with a cane before I have to lie down, not sit down, lie down…
How am I gonna ride this eBike 160 ish miles to the Hoh Rainforest? Up a literal mountain range?
…
I am not in favor of car or ICE dependency.
Far from it.
But you are acting like all your proposed ideas just… already exist. That they could basically magically be implemented at the snap of a finger.
This is nonsense.
You have to actually transition to the new paradigm in a way that doesn’t just immediately fuck over people who are the edge cases that are not compatible with your vision.
Have you tried cycling to Deception Pass or Hurricane Ridge? Let me know how much fun that is.
Super fun and challenging, most likely. Some of the roads are likely difficult on a bike.Lots of other state parks that are accessible by bike besides those two. Heres a great list that includes a bunch.
Paying in $35/yr so the state parks can be maintained and improved is a very reasonable cost, especially with all the damage people and cars do to them.
Like Paradise at Mt. Rainier, Hoh Rain Forest, 4 Caves, and Wallace Falls. Actually at Wallace Falls, you can ride your bike once you get it there, but you might be chased and killed by a mountain lion. You can be killed as a hiker too, but people on bikes look like prey.
https://www.outdoorlife.com/survival/washington-bikers-fight-cougar/
I’m not anti-bike, I’m anti bike for everything and all situations. A lot of bike enthusiasts are not living in reality.
Edit: Also, because your poor and can’t afford parking, you can’t take your family? Or do you expect everyone to have bikes?
Neat article. Can you link me to one about the tens of thousands of mountain bikers in Washington that were not chased by cougars?
All outdoor activities in nature carry risk, some more than others. By far the most dangerous thing for cyclists is motorists, not wildlife. If you can safely navigate the roads to get to a park, your other risks are minimal in comparison.
I can’t get over your sense of entitlement on this. You think everyone is healthy enough to ride a bike and be excluded from the amazing views and experiences of national and state parks because they’re poor and drive a car? You are in a bubble. I’m glad you like bikes and feel that sense of superiority when you don’t have to pay parking. The point is, the commons have to be paid for.
Just make sure you never leave your F-150, in case a bear or cougar gets you. Wal-Mart parking lots are the most dangerous.
Yep, someone who expresses confusion at the idea of bicycling 10s or hundreds of miles to a national park… obviously they must be rolling coal and hate mother earth.
You are delusional.
Progress will never fail landlords
Well, if we go for economic contraction, shrinking population, automation and even wealth distribution, then the landlord will need to find other work.
Doesn’t know how to use a Venn Diagram (twice, not in the intersection)
