While maybe not professional IT people but Linux users are quite known to be passionate about finding solutions. It’s quite recent that you can have a hands off experience with Linux, it was always a tinkerer’s OS before.

I remember in high school having friends who were going crazy at the chance to be the one who could solve an OS issue, like an IT medal of honor.

You could argue that these two are very closely related things.

Do you know any Linux users that aren’t IT professionals? If I know any, it’s because they’re the children of IT professionals

Not an IT guy, just a dude that got tired of the Windows blue screen of death back in the day and discovered Linux many years ago as an alternative. I can’t code to save my life, but I know enough to use GitHub to report bugs I encounter. It can be time consuming and tedious but when I help alert others that know how to fix the problem I’ve helped in a way that gives me a little bit of pride that I always cherish knowing I’m giving back to the community.

The kind of people that would play a game called Delta V are probably engineers or people that like technical stuff.

It probably also helps the report rise to the level of “exceptional” if the reporter understands anything about the backend. If you don’t know what your even looking at its hard to explain tech specifics in detail about it.

I am not tech savvy and I had to report a bug at work for a website/program I have to use. My report was basically “X isn’t working [picture of x not working]”. Microsoft started asking me about my license number and something called RLS…I don’t know any of that. I don’t even know where to find that. I can barely Google that. I took 7 page clicks and 10 minutes just to submit the bug in the first place… My bug reports are shit because I dont know what Im looking at, an IT person probably would have included most of the info they were asking for in the original report.

This matches at least my personal behaviour. I’m a programmer myself, so if a game or application has a bug I’ll instantly start thinking about what could’ve caused it and what data would be useful. It’s advantageous for me because the bug may be fixed, and (hopefully) advantageous to the Dev because they get the information they need to fix it. It doesn’t always work though. At one point I sent an entire stack trace and all kinds of debug info to an app developer. I got the response that they’d look into it, but nothing ever comes of it. I’d accept it if they just admitted that it’s not worth their time, but somehow that’s also too hard to say.

Can you get a PE license in software engineering? Serious question

Edit: PE = professional engineer.

In most parts of the United States the title “engineer” or “professional engineer” is a title with legal requirements & responsibilities in the same way calling yourself a medical doctor or lawyer would be. Folks with the credentials to be a professional engineer are tested & licensed by the state to practice engineering, similar to the way the bar or medical board would vet lawyers & doctors.

The dude certifying the structural plans for the bridge you drive over every day is in this category. Same with other categories of critical engineering from the fields of chemical, electrical, mechanical, civil, environmental, etc.

That said, TIL software “engineers” aren’t part of this group. Maybe they should be

I’d argue that open source projects attract experienced engineers and give them a reason to report bugs

There are more bugs reported. That makes all the difference.

People used to closed source everything are trained to eat shit and find a workaround.

Some time ago all the tech “news” headlines where “Linux is less secure than Windows, look at all the CVEs open !”, well yes Linux has tones more CVE reported because anyone can audit the code, bugs are discovered and reported, people are informed and can put mitigations in place, unlike with Windows…

Exactly. It goes the same way in development too. People who say XYZ lang is better than Rust because “you get so many compile errors” suffer from the same misconception: Just because the errors aren’t immediately obvious doesn’t mean they aren’t there.

Based and holy pilled

How are you posting with no network stack?

Part of it too is that logging on Windows is just dogshit. No one uses event viewer so it’s not like the end user even knows where to look for logs, and most of the shit in there is like"lol computer crashed and idk why go fuck yourself"

Some games have such community, that it treats life as this game. For example community of certain factory optimization simulator was so enlightened, that optimized it and made 30% faster.

That is still extremely valuable feedback.

“If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.”

If it looks like a duck, swims like a dog and barks like a dog but I am still telling you it is a plain old duck, there is a miscommunication between me as a game developer and you as the player.

Is something surprisingly different than elsewhere in the game? If so, it’s probably a bug.

… Or not provocative

linux desktop users are up to 6 or more percent i believe.

Acksually most Windows error dialogs can be selected and by pressing Ctrl+C will copy the error displayed which you can then paste into Google.

BG3 did everything well, no surprises there

Probably those 3 downvotes are from people who did not read past headline

You don’t need logs because in Windows 95 they made a tool that always 100% diagnoses and fixes the issue and it runs every time dispite never actually returning a fix or error code.But wait there’s more here’s a hex code to some memory allocation rather than creating a reference library in human so you can search forums where the only advice is reformat or don’t worry guys I fixed it.

But you are not allowed to look at the actual run time logs as we’re a polished environment.